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The tragedy of Mandaluug Dir and their dispersion

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Re: The tragedy of Mandaluug Dir and their dispersion

Postby zumaale » Thu Mar 30, 2017 12:57 pm

BenDover and Thanato

In regard to the Habar Maqdi/Habar Magadle debate, none of you are quoting the primary historical document written by Shihab Al Din.

The oldest book that currently in circulation that comments on Futuh Al Habash is the An Arabic History of Gujarat which was published at the start of 17th century century and a modern edition was reprinted in the 20th century . This book only lists the Habar Maqdi. https://archive.org/details/arabichistoryofg00ulug

Ramzy's Egyptian copy that differentiates between Habar Magaadle and Habar Maqdi was first published in Egypt is not the original manuscript. It is a copy made by a man called Mahamad Ibrahim in 1812.

In 1881, General Charles George Gordon got hold of an orginal manuscript and donated it to the British Museum. This mansucript was edited by Strong and is available on the Archives website. This book also only lists the Habar Maqdi. https://archive.org/details/futalabashahorc00argoog

No one on Somalinet can comment with authority on the the Historiography of Futuh Al Habash because no one has access to the original manuscript. All of you are running around with edited copies. All that can be summarised from these edited Arabic copies is that Habar Maqdi is listed as the clan of Ahmed Gurey in two of them whilst the Egyptian one lists Habar Magadle as his clan.

If any of you are able to access the original manuscript in London feel free, till then do not fu.ck with History please for the sake of FKD.
Zumaale, the only issue is, Ben Dover and Ramzy before him and others are saying that Habar Magaadle and Habr Maqdi are two different clans, according to Ramzy's manuscript.

My question is, are they the same or are they two different groups. It would be good to know and research that.
Only the Egyptian one attempts to differentiate between the two.

Bear in mind Ina Adeer, that if even if Strong's edition is an accurate representation the original Arabic manusscript given to him by Gordon, that does not necessarily mean Habar Maqdi identifies with either Habar Makidoor or Habar Magadle as there are are clans which took part in Futuh Al Habash that are now lost in the mists of time. No one can state with absolute certainty at the moment who they were based on the limited information we have.

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Re: The tragedy of Mandaluug Dir and their dispersion

Postby Thanato » Thu Mar 30, 2017 2:01 pm

BenDover and Thanato

In regard to the Habar Maqdi/Habar Magadle debate, none of you are quoting the primary historical document written by Shihab Al Din.

The oldest book that currently in circulation that comments on Futuh Al Habash is the An Arabic History of Gujarat which was published at the start of 17th century century and a modern edition was reprinted in the 20th century . This book only lists the Habar Maqdi. https://archive.org/details/arabichistoryofg00ulug

Ramzy's Egyptian copy that differentiates between Habar Magaadle and Habar Maqdi was first published in Egypt is not the original manuscript. It is a copy made by a man called Mahamad Ibrahim in 1812.

In 1881, General Charles George Gordon got hold of an orginal manuscript and donated it to the British Museum. This mansucript was edited by Strong and is available on the Archives website. This book also only lists the Habar Maqdi. https://archive.org/details/futalabashahorc00argoog

No one on Somalinet can comment with authority on the the Historiography of Futuh Al Habash because no one has access to the original manuscript. All of you are running around with edited copies. All that can be summarised from these edited Arabic copies is that Habar Maqdi is listed as the clan of Ahmed Gurey in two of them whilst the Egyptian one lists Habar Magadle as his clan.

If any of you are able to access the original manuscript in London feel free, till then do not fu.ck with History please for the sake of FKD.
Zumaale, the only issue is, Ben Dover and Ramzy before him and others are saying that Habar Magaadle and Habr Maqdi are two different clans, according to Ramzy's manuscript.

My question is, are they the same or are they two different groups. It would be good to know and research that.
Only the Egyptian one attempts to differentiate between the two.

Bear in mind Ina Adeer, that if even if Strong's edition is an accurate representation the original Arabic manusscript given to him by Gordon, that does not necessarily mean Habar Maqdi identifies with either Habar Makidoor or Habar Magadle as there are are clans which took part in Futuh Al Habash that are now lost in the mists of time. No one can state with absolute certainty at the moment who they were based on the limited information we have.
Makes sense. Thanks bro.

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Re: The tragedy of Mandaluug Dir and their dispersion

Postby Djiboutian » Thu Mar 30, 2017 2:46 pm

BenDover and Thanato

In regard to the Habar Maqdi/Habar Magadle debate, none of you are quoting the primary historical document written by Shihab Al Din.

The oldest book that currently in circulation that comments on Futuh Al Habash is the An Arabic History of Gujarat which was published at the start of 17th century century and a modern edition was reprinted in the 20th century . This book only lists the Habar Maqdi. https://archive.org/details/arabichistoryofg00ulug

Ramzy's Egyptian copy that differentiates between Habar Magaadle and Habar Maqdi was first published in Egypt is not the original manuscript. It is a copy made by a man called Mahamad Ibrahim in 1812.

In 1881, General Charles George Gordon got hold of an orginal manuscript and donated it to the British Museum. This mansucript was edited by Strong and is available on the Archives website. This book also only lists the Habar Maqdi. https://archive.org/details/futalabashahorc00argoog

No one on Somalinet can comment with authority on the the Historiography of Futuh Al Habash because no one has access to the original manuscript. All of you are running around with edited copies. All that can be summarised from these edited Arabic copies is that Habar Maqdi is listed as the clan of Ahmed Gurey in two of them whilst the Egyptian one lists Habar Magadle as his clan.

If any of you are able to access the original manuscript in London feel free, till then do not fu.ck with History please for the sake of FKD.
According to your logic Holy Quran is questionable because no one in Somalinet has an access to the original manuscript.

Do you even know the difference between manuscript copying, manuscript edition and manuscript translation?

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Re: The tragedy of Mandaluug Dir and their dispersion

Postby zumaale » Thu Mar 30, 2017 3:17 pm

BenDover and Thanato

In regard to the Habar Maqdi/Habar Magadle debate, none of you are quoting the primary historical document written by Shihab Al Din.

The oldest book that currently in circulation that comments on Futuh Al Habash is the An Arabic History of Gujarat which was published at the start of 17th century century and a modern edition was reprinted in the 20th century . This book only lists the Habar Maqdi. https://archive.org/details/arabichistoryofg00ulug

Ramzy's Egyptian copy that differentiates between Habar Magaadle and Habar Maqdi was first published in Egypt is not the original manuscript. It is a copy made by a man called Mahamad Ibrahim in 1812.

In 1881, General Charles George Gordon got hold of an orginal manuscript and donated it to the British Museum. This mansucript was edited by Strong and is available on the Archives website. This book also only lists the Habar Maqdi. https://archive.org/details/futalabashahorc00argoog

No one on Somalinet can comment with authority on the the Historiography of Futuh Al Habash because no one has access to the original manuscript. All of you are running around with edited copies. All that can be summarised from these edited Arabic copies is that Habar Maqdi is listed as the clan of Ahmed Gurey in two of them whilst the Egyptian one lists Habar Magadle as his clan.

If any of you are able to access the original manuscript in London feel free, till then do not fu.ck with History please for the sake of FKD.
According to your logic Holy Quran is questionable because no one in Somalinet has an access to the original manuscript.

Do you even know the difference between manuscript copying, manuscript edition and manuscript translation?
Remember how emotional you got the last time you tried to front? If I remember correctly, you even penned a poem for me, how cute!

If you do not have anything meaningful to add to the discussion, jog on. Ain't got time for triggered fools!

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Re: The tragedy of Mandaluug Dir and their dispersion

Postby Xildiiid » Thu Mar 30, 2017 4:13 pm

Dir brothers should respect each an other, what is wrong with you guys. Thanato keep the good job. Don't be intimidated by few delusional quraysh wannabes isaaq members. Your history is our history. Your people is our people. We will bring them all together by any means.

To awrastaale and mahoka keep your mouth shut while we are assembling the mighty dir empire.

To RoobleAlWaliid and jabuutaawi hankiinu ha sareeyo, don't behave like like chickens when some isaaqs insult you. Whoever controls his temper is better than a warrior. Every morning I see people insulting habarjeclo on social media it only makes me know that we are relevant if not important figures . Try to not go crazy when some says qudhun biirsay or hyenas to you.
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