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Somaliweyn wrote:SO there is also diversity in culture?

Despite that diversity can we say there is a ''Banadir culture''' which means that Banadir region has a different way of life or doing things then the other regions of Somalia?

Yes, we're productive, they're destructive

Shirib wrote:

Somaliweyn wrote:SO there is also diversity in culture?

Despite that diversity can we say there is a ''Banadir culture''' which means that Banadir region has a different way of life or doing things then the other regions of Somalia?

Yes, we're productive, they're destructive

I guess this wasn't being said exactly for the sake of politically correctness, so I'll say it. Absolutely no Habar Gedir in the maamul

Good step you guys. This civil war is endless and the for the status quo to change, we must in the end resort to political settlement for this endless clan, and sub-(sub-subclan) competition for power. I generally agree with the federal formula and I think in the end, in a federal Somalia, it is inevitable for the Xaayoow Hawiye to be in a single group. Keep in mind when I say Xaayoow Hawiye I am describing a linguistic, geographical local which includes the Mudulood, Murusade,etc.

However you need a person like to me to come in and help you guys seperate the wishful thinking from the reality. Surprisingly I don't have a lot to contend since you guys already realize Mogadishu and its own district is going to be a special zone seperate from regional control but I would like to say this.

Lower Shabelle is not going to be part of a state which includes Middle Shabelle.

We are in the civil war and we have to realize the reality. Darood, Minorities, Habar Gidir, Dir (Biyamaal of Marka) are not going to allow Lower Shabelle to be joined with a Middle Shabelle that strengthens Mudulood. This is the most obvious problem. You might not like me saying so but look beyond the messenger and seriously think about this scenerio. Who will be opposed to this? Darood will be. Minorities will be who like Shirib said do not share a lot in terms with the groups in the other region beyond Geledi. Habar Gidir will probably be even more opposed then the Darood, since Mudulood supra-hegemony directly threatens them more then it does to Daroods. So let us look at possible scenerios.

Personally I believe Hiiraan and Middle Shabelle will join into a region. It is natural. Hiiraan does not fit into greater Mudug (with whatever federal states in that area going to be comprised of Mudug and Galgaduud) and it is neither going to fit in with Bay and Bakool. Almost all of the Xaayow Hawiye including Mudulood, Murusade, are also based in Hiiraan and there is a lot of interaction between them and Xawaadle.

In the final equation I think it will be inevitable that Middle Shabelle and Hiiraan are going to unite. They share accent, clans, inter-dissecting pastoral grounds, and face the same trials and tribulations and the same concerns. Also, it supports the premise that every federal State shall have access to the sea, which I am sure will be a powerful point in any political negotiations centered around these states.

As for Lower Shabelle, I am almost certain this region will be joined Bay and Bakool, who not only share the same regional dialect (in the only regions where May May is majority used), have the same composition of fragmented federated groups and as well supports the premise that every federal state shall have access to the sea.

Puntland has access, Mudug and Galgaduud both have access to the sea, a region composed of Hiiraan and Lower Shabelle will have access, Bay/Bakool/Lower Shabelle will have access, and the natural state of Jubbaland will have access at the port city of Kismaayo.

In the end this is more practical federal model that is reflective of the realities on the ground. However, I am interested to hear your responses.

What does Darood, Habar Gidir, Minorities etc have to do with Banadir? Those areas of land belong to it's residents and if they wish to unite their regions to form a big one, then who are you to reject it? You are over estimating yourselves.

Voltage,

First of all Darod, nor Habergidir will be in the maamul of L.Shabelle nor can they do anything about it to stop been realized.

It is simple, the local groups in Banadir: Dir (Biyamaal), Digil (Geledi, Tunni, Garre, Shantacaleymood), Hawiye subclans (Murusade, Gaaljecel, Abgal, Moobleen, Wacdaan etc), Banadiri groups (Reer Xamar, Merca and Barawe), Jareer groups etc will decide their own future.

L.Shabelle shares nothing with Baay/Bakool. Matter of Fact, Baay and Bakool should be incorporated into Gedo since historically Raxanweyn groups have lived in Gedo region and historically Gedo/Baay/Bakool were one province called Upper Jubba. Demographically, historically, economically Raxanweyn have put their footprints in Baardheere, Luuq Ganane and The upper bank of Jubba river and as such should focus in incoportating Baay/Bakool with Gedo.

Raxanweyn do not settle in L.Shabelle and the only way they can make a claim on the region is through Digil connection. But that itself is ludicirous since the couple of Hawiye subclans that live in L.Shabelle are not used by lets say Xawaadle or Habergidir to lay a claim on L.Shabelle region itself.

I personally would see the local groups of Banadir to think about their future, and see the common interest and threats they have.

Also, Banadir Administration should have its own unique model that takes the core characteristic of Banadir (diversity and tranquility) as the foundation for their administration.

The local groups of Banadir have been disaffected by the groups you identified as becoming the likely opponents to the idea.

If we don't have dreams, we don't have anything else in this world.

Voltage,

Explain why Baay/Bakool should be merged with L.Shabelle and not Gedo.


Lets see which of Gedo or L.Shabelle suits better to Baay/Bakool

I don't think there is any Somali alive, even Raxanweyn, who questions that Jubbaland is one state, even a natural state.

Gedo - Majority Darood

Lower Jubba - Majority Darood

Middle Jubba - Majority Darood

Kismaayo - Majority Darood

Even Ogaadeen, Harti, whoever recognize Jubbaland but disagree that Marehan should dominate extremely.

Jubbaland is indisputable. It is grounded in reality. Everybody knows of it and it is not new and the only people fighting abouot it are the Darood who disagree with Marehan lording over it.

Even the Ogadeen call Xassan Turki "Emiirka Jubooyinka iyo Gedo" which means they accept the reality of Jubbaland in its base structure.

Jubbaland just needs internal political settlement, its borders are already as good as demarcated. Your new Benadir only exists and has been heard in the Somalinet, Benaadir section.

Lower Shabelle and Middle Shabelle are never going to be a single state and the Habar Gidir will put a stop to that. No else even has to talk and you know it.

I personally believe in the final solution Middle Shabelle and Hiiraan will unite. This I am sure of.

^ Another cheap propaganda technique busted. It's funny that you disagree with the Shabelle regions joining the Banaadir administration, yet you seem to have no problem with your fellow Northeasterners expanding into so called 'Somaliland' proclaimed territory, despite the fact that those disputed areas share a similar cultural lifestyle with the Northwesterners. You just want a limitation on the influence of certain groups given that you can expand and control larger areas on your own accord. Also, saying M/Jubba is majority Darood is as inaccurate as saying L/Shabelle is majority Hawiye. Dir and Sheikhaal clans in those areas can decide on their own terms if they opt out of a Marehan state or not.

So called Jubbaland does not exist as an organised entity or state today as you make it out to be. It's an ambition of Mooryaan Huuraale gone wrong.

abakar,due to shortage of time from my part Made me unable to participate in this section.
What Voltage does not understand is that afweyne was the culprit behind the seperation of of the two botherly provinces of Lower and Middle shabelle.!
Mudulood clans like Wacdaan osman and wadalaan are part and parcel of Lower shabelle.

First of all,

Cabsiyee are you the alshabab supporter or is this a new Cabsiyee copycat? Perhaps Coolpoison or Paidmonk hiding behind different names?

Secondly.

People pay attention to the cheap tactic of Voltage. On one side he lumps Darod together when it comes to Jubba regions, which means he denies Gaaljecel, Sheikhaal deegaans in Middle and Lower Jubba.........while on the other side he tries to divide and stirr animosity within Hawiye (''Habar Gidir will put a stop to that'').

Pay attention to cheap tactics of a Barre supporter and takes notes.

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As far the Banadir project is concerned, I hope the local groups will sort their affaires and take care of their future. ALso, Banadir should stay diverse, open to all Somalis.

Abakar and Somaliweyn,

I'm surprised at you guys that you would still engage this flip flopper in any conversation.

Perhaps we do need a mod around her after all; we shouldn’t allow every riffraff to spew their nonsense in this section.

Somaliweyn, non-Hawiye like Biyamaal and Digle are majority of Shabellada Hoose just like Darood is majority of all three Jubbaland regions.

As for HG, you know the reality better than I do.

Demure wrote:Abakar and Somaliweyn,

I'm surprised at you guys that you would still engage this flip flopper in any conversation.

Perhaps we do need a mod around her after all; we shouldn’t allow every riffraff to spew their nonsense in this section.

Orad jikada gal, wax ka foolxun naag qabiil ku galgalato aduunka kama jiree