2012 Mudulood Political Strategy

[TheblueNwhite]

UM, you can quote me on this, Hiiraan will be lumped with the Shabelles.

[greenday]

UM, you can quote me on this, Hiiraan will be lumped with the Shabelles.

How do you know? they can also join with Galgaduud?

[Voltage]

Green, I don't know about Abgaal, but I think it is common knowledge that Mogadishu as the seat of government will be its own federal district. Even under Siad and before it was administered different. It is unfathomable that the national capital can be part of any one state, it has to be equal among all the states. That's logic walaashiis and the working order all around the world.

[greenday]

Voltage, it can be like London and England, it can happen

[UlteriorMotive]

UM, you can quote me on this, Hiiraan will be lumped with the Shabelles.

That would be a very good look. Very prosperous future...Nice lush land plus several ports.

[abgaalKING]

Voltage

I agree with you on this federal thing not seen as working because it creates more problems than it cures.I detest it but when you see other somalis going for it you have no option but to re-consider your position.Mogadishu will be very controversial due to the emotional attachments somalis have developed with this tiny region which is the smallest province in all somalia.The solution will be of two different methods.The first Method is Move the capital to other arbitrary place.(is there a such thing?)
or give the local people a greater say in the affairs of the city.Remember,the federal gov will not have any power because all the powers will lie with the provincial adminstrations Marka,Mogadishu will not be ruled by a toothless,paper federal entity.

[RovingMadness]

Benadir is a federal administrative district. It is not unique, it happens all around the world. It cannot be represented by any clan or federal state, it is federal government territory.

Voting rights of citizens in the District of Columbia differ from those of United States citizens in each of the fifty states. District of Columbia residents do not have voting representation in the United States Senate, but D.C. is entitled to three electoral votes for President. In the U.S. House of Representatives, the District is entitled to a delegate, who is not allowed to vote on the floor of the House, but can vote on procedural matters and in House committees.

The United States Constitution grants congressional voting representation to the states, which the District is not. The District is a federal territory ultimately under the complete authority of Congress. The lack of voting representation in Congress for residents of the U.S. capital has been an issue since the foundation of the federal district. Numerous proposals have been introduced to change this situation including legislation and constitutional amendments to grant D.C. residents voting representation, returning the District to the state of Maryland, and making the District of Columbia into a new state. All proposals have been met with political or constitutional challenges; therefore, there has been no change in the District's representation in the Congress.

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Wrong comparison. Washington DC was created from scratch to accommodate both Northern & Southern States. It had no demographic or historical past prior to that. Mogadishu is different. It is arguably the oldest continuously inhabited territory in Somalia & it's the ancestral homeland of a specific group of people. Saying that Somalia will have a federalism while at the sometime denying the people of Mogadishu federalism is outrageous & a recipe for another return to the clan-rooted civil war. No-one can accept it.

[RovingMadness]

Voltage

I agree with you on this federal thing not seen as working because it creates more problems than it cures.I detest it but when you see other somalis going for it you have no option but to re-consider your position.Mogadishu will be very controversial due to the emotional attachments somalis have developed with this tiny region which is the smallest province in all somalia.The solution will be of two different methods.The first Method is Move the capital to other arbitrary place.(is there a such thing?)
or give the local people a greater say in the affairs of the city.Remember,the federal gov will not have any power because all the powers will lie with the provincial adminstrations Marka,Mogadishu will not be ruled by a toothless,paper federal entity.

We can create a federal district within Mogadishu & leave the rest at the hands of the locals. Thats the sensible & prudent compromise. But the issue here is not about federal government. It's the inherent ambitions of some to keep their cake while eating other peoples. Alhamdulilah, we are not weak nor are we that desperate to accept the clan ambitions of others as a legitimate form of governance. It has never worked nor will it work now.

[Voltage]

Obviously this is an emotionally charged discussion for you guys and I guess it could as easily be for other Somalis so may some fruitful compromise be reached.

[abgaalKING]

No emotional rants here just some realpolitik discussions.

[samadoon-waaxid]

Unfortunately,looks like the locals won't have much saying on this issue.there is a technical committee right now sitting in some hotel in Nairobi determining the status of Mogadishu.Looks like Being the capital comes with some perks and curses

[RovingMadness]

Obviously this is an emotionally charged discussion for you guys and I guess it could as easily be for other Somalis so may some fruitful compromise be reached.

Certainly. Let's hope the so-called leaders whose decisions will have an impact excercise prudence & justice; otherwise Somalia can not afford to go back to civil war.

[Osob101]

I know the reason sharif is doing it because he doesnt want to be seen as just a clan-leader but tarzan cmon,man.he knows he got his position not because of education,experience ,somalinimo but simply of blood lineage.i dont think you have evidence to support your claim that he made such a remarks.but anyway,we neeed a hardcore waceysle or harti abgaal or daud(i dont give shit which mudulood subclan he hails from) mayor into the mayorship office.and these mataan cabdulle subclan is a headache,walle,they are the greediest of all mudulood subclans.Anyway,we should never lay a finger on our banadiri/persian minorities and should be given all their rights as they always remain our friends.The future is indeed bright since the war have exposed the worst of Our abgaal alter-egoes and that is understanble,since the only way to deal with a hyena is become a hungry,greedy hyena yourself.[/quote]


Bal sheeg maxa mataan cabdulle ka rabta? As for the our strategy it will be the two shabbelle and mareeg but before we do that we must speak to dadka nala dega like Geledi, Tunni, Jareer, Dir etc etc.[/quote]

Shabelle Valley & Mareeg are useless without controlling Banadir. As I said, it's a suicide.[/quote]

Horta dadka i think dont understand that Banaadir maxa keliya Xamar, there are towns outside of Xamar which are still within the gobol and i totally agree with you about controlling banaadir. But what control do you speak off? Its is a given that we will always be the Mayor and Governor of the Gobol until the day a true democracy takes place in Somalia.

[Shirib]

Osob,

What towns are in Banadir that are outside of Xamar?

[Shirib]

But they need another gobol, so they will likely join with the middle shabeele and banadir inshallah

Ok in that case definitely makes sense but I think AbgaalKing's very extreme stance about land claim might lead Lower Shabbelle to look towards Bay and Bakool.

That's probably the idea, this whole Banadirland thing is an Abgaal lead initiative, haven't heard anyone in other realms even talk about it.

Lower Shabeele might be looking more towards Baay and Bakool than middle shabeele