39 Member Parliaments Endorse Banadir State

[RovingMadness]

Xildhibaanno kasoo jeeda Gobolka Shabeellada Hoose oo taageeray maamul goboleedka Banaadir State 

Khamiis, Maarso 15, 2012 (HOL) — Xildhibaanno kasoo jeeda gobolka Shabeellada hoose oo maanta kulan ku yeeshay Muqdisho ayaa taageeray maamul goboleedka Banaadir State oo dhawaan looga dhawaaqay Muqdisho, iyadoo xildhibaannadan ay ku tilmaameen maamulkan mid ay dhisteen shacabka ku nool gobollada uu matalo.

Kulankan taageerada ah oo ka dhacay Hotel Raage ee Muqdisho ayaa waxaa ka qaybgalay 39-mudane oo kasoo jeeda gobolka Shabeellada hoose, kuwaasoo la hadlay saxaafadda markii uu kulanka soo dhammaaday.

"Waxaan taageersannahay maamulka Banaadir State, waxaana dhismihiisa uu ahaa mid soo socoday muddo sannad ka badan. Dadka gobollada Banaadir, Shabeellada hoose iyo Shabeellada dhexe ayaa maamulkan sameystay," ayuu yiri xildhibaan Cumar Cabdi Abuukar oo wariyeyaasha la hadlay kulanka kaddib.

Sidoo kale, xidhibaan Cali Cabdi wuxuu sheegay in xidlhibaannada kasoo jeeda gobolka Shabeellada hoose aysan tegin gobolkaas muddo dheer, haddana ay iyagu diyaar u yihiin inay wax u qabtaan dadka ku nool gobolka, iyagoo kaashanaya maamulka Banaadir State.

Xidhibaan Cali Xasan Macallin oo isaguna kulanka ka hadlay ayaa sheegay inuu maamul goboleedka Banaadir State yahay mid waafaqsan xeerka dowladda KMG ah oo ah in laba gobol iyo wixii ka badan ay noqon karaan maamul goboleed, sidaa daraadeedna uu maamulkani ka kooban yahay saddex gobol.

Kulanka ayaa waxaa sidoo kale ka qaybgalay waxgarad kasoo jeeda gobolka Shabeellada hoose, iyagoo soo dhaweeyay maamulka cusub ee Banaadir State, iyadoo dowladda KMG ah ay maamulkan kasoo horjeesatay.

Ugu dambeyn, mudanayaasha taageeray maamul goboleedkan ayaa waxay sidoo kale la hadleen diidmada dowladda ee ku wajahan maamulkan, waxayna sheegeen inay tahay mid dano gaar ah laga leeyahay, balse maamulkan uu buuxiyay shuruudihii loo baahnaa oo dhan.

Maxamed Xaaji Xuseen, Hiiraan Online
maxuseen@hiiraan.com
Muqdisho, Soomaaliya

http://hiiraan.com/news/2012/Mar/warark ... -17298.htm

[Murax]

How can they endorse something that does not exist in reality.

[RovingMadness]

How can they endorse something that does not exist in reality.

It's in the formation & consultive stages & their endorsement is crucial first step moving forward. It shows the need folks have for reaching political consensus on the key questions pertaining to the region & it's most welcome & came at a key stage towards the struggle for representative & just body that represents the aspirations of the people of the Shabelle Valley & Banadir. Kudos to the MPs for their bold & timely endorsement!

[Murax]

How can they endorse something that does not exist in reality.

It's in the formation & consultive stages & their endorsement is crucial first step moving forward. It shows the need folks have for reaching political consensus on the key questions pertaining to the region & it's most welcome & came at a key stage towards the struggle for representative & just body that represents the aspirations of the people of the Shabelle Valley & Banadir. Kudos to the MPs for their bold & timely endorsement!

I get Your point, but this is the same arguement every other regional administration that does not have boots on the ground uses. That You have to have endorsements, administration, etc. in place before any grassroots, local state building is done for the regions they claim to represent. The same thing happens for so called Jubbaland administrations, Somali Central State and so on. I think the first thing these regional administration hopefuls should do before anything is physically secure the land, hold consultative meetings with the elders, tribes, community leaders of these lands and establish a admin. Anything else in my mind is spinning wheels.




On another note though can You address How Xamar which is supposed to be a Federal zone as the Capitol of a Federal Somalia, can be part of a Maamul Goboleed?

[greenday]

The more people support it from inside the better the chance it has with its appeal to be a real mamuul

[RovingMadness]

Somalia has been at war for 21 years now & unilaterally declaring a state & imposing your views on everyone else won't work. The organizers of Banadir State are in Mogadishu & most of them haven't left Mogadishu even at the peak of the civil war. So they understand better than anyone else what's at stake & what needs to be done. At the consultative & formation stage, it's crucial that the political & traditional representatives are taken into confidence & their input incorporated into the decision making process & that's why the endorsement of the MPs is a crucial first step which is what the organizers & steering committee are doing.

About the status of Mogadishu; there are number of creative solutions that are being floated around. My personal favorite is the creation of a new Federal District within Mogadishu which will serve as the seat for the Federal Government. Another one. Is making Mogadishu its own state with its own parliament that's divided into two chambers one representative & the other made up of the traditional leadership of the clans that owns the city with veto power on the running of the city-state. If the intention is sincere, there is no shortage of just solutions. 

[Murax]

Somalia has been at war for 21 years now & unilaterally declaring a state & imposing your views on everyone else won't work. The organizers of Banadir State are in Mogadishu & most of them haven't left Mogadishu even at the peak of the civil war. So they understand better than anyone else what's at stake & what needs to be done. At the consultative & formation stage, it's crucial that the political & traditional representatives are taken into confidence & their input incorporated into the decision making process & that's why the endorsement of the MPs is a crucial first step which is what the organizers & steering committee are doing.

About the status of Mogadishu; there are number of creative solutions that are being floated around. My personal favorite is the creation of a new Federal District within Mogadishu which will serve as the seat for the Federal Government. Another one. Is making Mogadishu its own state with its own parliament that's divided into two chambers one representative & the other made up of the traditional leadership of the clans that owns the city with veto power on the running of the city-state. If the intention is sincere, there is no shortage of just solutions. 

For the first point, I guess if the orginizers are aware its not gonna be easy and that they will have to build consensus on the ground its possible. Best of luck for this new state.




As for the status of Mogadishu in this, I do not see How one town can be the seat of a Country and a Regional administration. Logic would state simply claiming Mogadishu but moving the capitol elsewhere. Keeping Mogadishu as the Capitol of Somalia and having it serve a dual role as the seat of a regional State is unrealistic.

[RovingMadness]

You haven't read what I said about Mogadishu.

The current ideas of the status of Mogadishu include the setting up of a new district within Mogadishu that will serve as the seat of the Federal Government; much like Washington DC which was born as a compromise solution between the North & South States.  Another idea is the formation of a city-state with its own parliament divided into two chambers one for elected representatives & the other for the clan leadership that owns the city with veto powers.

Both these ideas are logical & just. Everyone understands that Somalia will be federal nation & everyone also understands that the clans will rule their regions. It's illogical & weird then to say Federalism for some parts of Somalia & central government for other parts. Mogadishu was not created by the Somali government & it existed hundreds of years before the creation of the Somali State. Any solution for it has to take this into consideration. 

[Eaglehawk]

Somalia has been at war for 21 years now & unilaterally declaring a state & imposing your views on everyone else won't work. The organizers of Banadir State are in Mogadishu & most of them haven't left Mogadishu even at the peak of the civil war. So they understand better than anyone else what's at stake & what needs to be done. At the consultative & formation stage, it's crucial that the political & traditional representatives are taken into confidence & their input incorporated into the decision making process & that's why the endorsement of the MPs is a crucial first step which is what the organizers & steering committee are doing.

About the status of Mogadishu; there are number of creative solutions that are being floated around. My personal favorite is the creation of a new Federal District within Mogadishu which will serve as the seat for the Federal Government. Another one. Is making Mogadishu its own state with its own parliament that's divided into two chambers one representative & the other made up of the traditional leadership of the clans that owns the city with veto power on the running of the city-state. If the intention is sincere, there is no shortage of just solutions. 

-What criteria are you using to establish what clans are owners and what clans are not owners?

- when you say “own” are you thinking in terms of trust land like Indian reservation in the U.S where The federal government holds legal title and the clans hold beneficial interest as in Common ownership and doesn`t that entitlement make, pre 1991 residence of Mogadishu eligible claimant under “Tenancy in common” since they have land titles which makes them elective under a “common ownership”

Which leads back to how determent and select what clan owns and what clan doesn`t own . Are arabs(xamar cadcad ) viewed as unitary eligible for “ownership”

[RovingMadness]

Somalia has been at war for 21 years now & unilaterally declaring a state & imposing your views on everyone else won't work. The organizers of Banadir State are in Mogadishu & most of them haven't left Mogadishu even at the peak of the civil war. So they understand better than anyone else what's at stake & what needs to be done. At the consultative & formation stage, it's crucial that the political & traditional representatives are taken into confidence & their input incorporated into the decision making process & that's why the endorsement of the MPs is a crucial first step which is what the organizers & steering committee are doing.

About the status of Mogadishu; there are number of creative solutions that are being floated around. My personal favorite is the creation of a new Federal District within Mogadishu which will serve as the seat for the Federal Government. Another one. Is making Mogadishu its own state with its own parliament that's divided into two chambers one representative & the other made up of the traditional leadership of the clans that owns the city with veto power on the running of the city-state. If the intention is sincere, there is no shortage of just solutions. 

-What criteria are you using to establish what clans are owners and what clans are not owners?

- when you say “own” are you thinking in terms of trust land like Indian reservation in the U.S where The federal government holds legal title and the clans hold beneficial interest as in Common ownership and doesn`t that entitlement make, pre 1991 residence of Mogadishu eligible claimant under “Tenancy in common” since they have land titles which makes them elective under a “common ownership”

Which leads back to how determent and select what clan owns and what clan doesn`t own . Are arabs(xamar cadcad ) viewed as unitary eligible for “ownership”

Pre-91 & post-91, no-one questions the real clan group that owns Mogadishu. When I say "own" I am talking about land-ownership & also demographic, historical & political ownership. Mudulood, Reer Banadir (cad-cad) are legitimate co-owners as are Murusade. 

[Eaglehawk]

Somalia has been at war for 21 years now & unilaterally declaring a state & imposing your views on everyone else won't work. The organizers of Banadir State are in Mogadishu & most of them haven't left Mogadishu even at the peak of the civil war. So they understand better than anyone else what's at stake & what needs to be done. At the consultative & formation stage, it's crucial that the political & traditional representatives are taken into confidence & their input incorporated into the decision making process & that's why the endorsement of the MPs is a crucial first step which is what the organizers & steering committee are doing.

About the status of Mogadishu; there are number of creative solutions that are being floated around. My personal favorite is the creation of a new Federal District within Mogadishu which will serve as the seat for the Federal Government. Another one. Is making Mogadishu its own state with its own parliament that's divided into two chambers one representative & the other made up of the traditional leadership of the clans that owns the city with veto power on the running of the city-state. If the intention is sincere, there is no shortage of just solutions. 

-What criteria are you using to establish what clans are owners and what clans are not owners?

- when you say “own” are you thinking in terms of trust land like Indian reservation in the U.S where The federal government holds legal title and the clans hold beneficial interest as in Common ownership and doesn`t that entitlement make, pre 1991 residence of Mogadishu eligible claimant under “Tenancy in common” since they have land titles which makes them elective under a “common ownership”

Which leads back to how determent and select what clan owns and what clan doesn`t own . Are arabs(xamar cadcad ) viewed as unitary eligible for “ownership”

Pre-91 & post-91, no-one questions the real clan group that owns Mogadishu. When I say "own" I am talking about land-ownership & also demographic, historical & political ownership. Mudulood, Reer Banadir (cad-cad) are legitimate co-owners as are Murusade. 

are habar gedir and ajuraan part of the ownership

[RovingMadness]

You are trolling now

[Eaglehawk]

You are trolling now

under your thinking habar gedir would become as a clan scouthers, not eligible for political entitled ina city where they are runner-up in terms of demographics.

I hope it works out for ya

[abgaalKING]

It is indeed a positive step and more needs to be done in this regard inshalah.


Eaglehawk

Rahanweyn of today are claiming Gedo as their own degaan,part and parcel of their future political sphere of dominance,wouldnt that ring a bell instead of what happens in city where you are second class citizens and a place where which group runs the politics of it has been established?

[RovingMadness]

It is indeed a positive step and more needs to be done in this regard inshalah.


Eaglehawk

Rahanweyn of today are claiming Gedo as their own degaan,part and parcel of their future political sphere of dominance,wouldnt that ring a bell instead of what happens in city where you are second class citizens and a place where which group runs the politics of it has been established?

Very well said!