39 Member Parliaments Endorse Banadir State

[RovingMadness]

Tarzan leading the fight against Mogadishu being part of Federal State? Seriously, where do you get your facts?

Guess someone didn't here his statements today from his press meeting in Cabdicasiis. The man himself said Mogadishu will never be part of any federal state and the Consitution and Parliament will put this into law.

LOL. Tarzan is locked in a political fight with former Mogadishu mayor Cade Gabow and his statements are situation specific. I have met mayor Tarzan and I can categorically vouch for his loyalty.

[SultanOrder]

The argument here is clear:

What's mine is mine and what's yours we will share.


The people of Mogadishu did not ask for Mogadishu to be made the capital of Somalia. It was done so because of its history and significance which had nothing to do with other Somalis from other areas. The people of Banadir (today Sh.Hoose, Sh.Dexe and Banadir) did not ask to be seperated and Banadir today is not public property unless the whole federal system is revoked and NO qabiil can claim ANY part of Somalia.

You guys can keep going round and round in circles but let us learn from history and be upfront with one another. No one is stupid and no one will accept the shortend of the stick.

LOL Thats the entire argument summoned up. The people saying Mogadishu all Somalis while at the sametime saying "my regions are exclusively mine" are driven by clan agenda and they make themselves abundantly clear when they say Mogadishu is historically part of Banadir State stretching from Warshiekh to Barava can't go back to its pre 1974 reality. This whole discussion driven by a provincial attempt to redraw and rearrange the clan balance in Somalia and it is ironic that the folks propagating for this none sense have neither the legal nor the military means to make their fantasies reality. It is quite hallucinating feeling when they run around with "Mogadishu for all" none sense.

Sxb you give us too much credit by saying we (darood) are the ones behind such an initiative.

[RovingMadness]

Ok, thanks sxb.

A federal district will be carved out of Mogadishu and designated as the Federal District and while the rest of the city will be part of Banadir State to maintain the clan-balance. This is just something you have to live with.

How about no. I am 100% confident Mogadishu will never be part of any tribal or otherwise federal state. You get used to that.

No, I am used to the current status quo where my clan controls the governorship, villa Somalia, the airport, the Port and the NSS. How 'bout you get used to that?

[RovingMadness]

PO,

I agree you guys are for the most part too divided, disorganized to matter about the destiny of Mogadishu.

[Voltage]

You know what, you repeated "military and political" power and stuff a lot with respect to your ability to achieve "Banadir State". Why wasn't this feasible in 1991? Why were you second class in large parts of the Mogadishu where you are claiming to represent as a state? Why was Villa Somalia, Bakara Market, dekedda Muqdisho, Radio Mogadishu, etc etc etc all in the hands of HG and you were cardoned off with to being a looma ooyaan if you passed a green line in the very city you say you represent as a clan?

I really don't get it. I don't even like rehashing this argument but your bravado has never match your reality.

Mogadishu will never part of a federal tribal state of yours. Your selected highest Mudulood officials will not allow it knowing the capital has to be a place where everyone has equal accessibility. The world will not allow and especially the overwhelming majority of Somalis, of whatever clan, will not allow this country coming out of civil war to have the very venue of its political representation be unilaterally assumed responsibility for by a tribal oriented federal administration.

It will never happen.

[Voltage]

No, I am used to the current status quo where my clan controls the governorship, villa Somalia, the airport, the Port and the NSS. How 'bout you get used to that?

Mashallah for them. The same one in VIlla Somalia is the one who sent security forces to break up Banadir State trying to claim Mogadishu. The governor is the same one saying the "dignity" of Somalia's capital will never allow it to be part of a federal state, it shall an independent government controlled area impartial towards all Somalis. The rest are mere civil servants doing their jobs.

So Mashallah for your clan and their "current status" but it is they themselves representing you politically who are at the forefront of realizing the infeasibility of Mogadishu claimed by a federal tribal state.

How ironic for you.

[RovingMadness]

You know what, you repeated "military and political" power and stuff a lot with respect to your ability to achieve "Banadir State". Why wasn't this feasible in 1991? Why were you second class in large parts of the Mogadishu where you are claiming to represent as a state? Why was Villa Somalia, Bakara Market, dekedda Muqdisho, Radio Mogadishu, etc etc etc all in the hands of HG and you were cardoned off with to being a looma ooyaan if you passed a green line in the very city you say you represent as a clan?

I really don't get it. I don't even like rehashing this argument but your bravado has never match your reality.

Mogadishu will never part of a federal tribal state of yours. Your selected highest Mudulood officials will not allow it knowing the capital has to be a place where everyone has equal accessibility. The world will not allow and especially the overwhelming majority of Somalis, of whatever clan, will not allow this country coming out of civil war to have the very venue of its political representation be unilaterally assumed responsibility for by a tribal oriented federal government.

It will never happen.

if I was looma oyaan, trust I would be escaping on hand-made boats and seeking refugee. Today I control Villa Somalia, Mogadishu Port, Adan Cade Airport, the governorship and every important position in Mogadishu. That's what matters at the end of the day!

About the role of Mogadishu under federalism, trust me you are hallucinating if you think you and I will have equal claim to Mogadishu. We never did and never will we.

[RovingMadness]

No, I am used to the current status quo where my clan controls the governorship, villa Somalia, the airport, the Port and the NSS. How 'bout you get used to that?

Mashallah for them. The same one in VIlla Somalia is the one who sent security forces to break up Banadir State trying to claim Mogadishu. The governor is the same one saying the "dignity" of Somalia's capital will never allow it to be part of a federal state, it shall an independent government controlled area impartial towards all Somalis. The rest are mere civil servants doing their jobs.

So Mashallah for your clan and their "current status" but it is they themselves representing you politically who are at the forefront of realizing the infeasibility of Mogadishu claimed by a federal tribal state.

How ironic for you.

@ when some kid in America who has never been to Somalia for the past 21 years tries to analyze a family affair in Mogadishu. Sharif is not fundamentally opposed to the creation of Banadir State; he has his own individuals who he wants to head that administration. Mark my word, whatever solution is reached for Mogadishu will place my clan in significantly advantageous position than anyone else. We will see how the future shapes out to be. Till then its all talk

[Voltage]

My clan this, my clan. Mashallah for you sxb. I would be happy to see a strong federal state that includes Jowhar, Cadalle, Warsheikh, etc. I would love to see you export fruits from Middle Shabelle. I would love the people there to contribute to the vitality and success of the Republic and put their part to increase the economic health of the nation. If your clansmen being powerful aids the health of the nation, wallahi I will say may Allah increase their strength and wealth tenfold. However, the issue is about the nature of the Republic's capital and the equal responsibility it will hold above all the citizens of the Republic and the impartiality it should assume. This is the argument and this is the reason why Mogadishu out of all of Somalia's cities is left up to the collective representation of the Somali (its Parliament) to decide. It is why both the current governor from your clan and the current president form your clan are at the forefront of stopping the unilateral moves of "Banadir State."

p.s. You don't speak for Shareef. Shareef is only doing what he is told to do with respect to the capital. There is no way that man sitting there in Villa will allow Banadir State to claim Mogadishu. Mogadishu is the people's center. End of Story. Time and law is on my side, we will see.

[Voltage]

LOL. Tarzan is locked in a political fight with former Mogadishu mayor Cade Gabow and his statements are situation specific. I have met mayor Tarzan and I can categorically vouch for his loyalty.

Cadde Gaaboow, Cabdullahi Yusuf's former poodle. As for your "vouch", and rationalization now after you first tried to deny Tarzan supports Mogadishu as a federal area of its own, tricks are for kids sxb. You just seem desperate wallahi.

[Nomand]

mogadishu will always be the capital of somalia and will never be part of the so called banadir state.

btw the airport, sea port and everything in moqadishu today is under the control of amisom and not a clan militia.

[Adali]

Abgaal what you fail to see, is personal concerns and political. To us, we are Xamarians, and therefore this is something that has to do with us personally. As for Jubbaland, I couldn't careless, it is something I would like politically, and to exist, but I'm not a resident, born there, or have wealth there.

Lakin this is getting boring, and becoming to sensitive for people. Whatever will happen will happen. I have my views, and you have your views. But ultimately it is up to some people, who consider themselves the speakers of the Somali people

No you are not.

You are some random rescued kid from Gedo and raised through Booli Qaran who all of sudden feels some entitlement to Mogadishu while at the sametime forgetting the very fact why you are in Seattle and not in Mogadishu right now.

Xamar unuka leh

[RovingMadness]

Voltage,

Let's wait for April 15th, 2012. It is not too far. Any argument till then is futile and waste of time.

[FarhanYare]

Waa calaacal baadantahay sxb. There are few things I would put myself on the line for about Somalia and its future but one thing I know for sure wallahi is that Mogadishu will never be part of any regional or federal state. Mogadishu is the capital of the country, it is the place my family has more wealth and property than any other part of the country, it is the place that saw the most injustice the last 21 years, it is the place where all the legislative representatives from the four corners of Somalia will travel.

The reason both the Roadmap and the Garowe Principles both wrote the Mogadishu is an issue for the Federal Parliament is another way of all acknowledging Mogadishu is a place that concerns all the citizens of the Republic and which they should all have a say in through their legislative representation.

If couple Abgaal kids on a forum want to blind themselves to one of the most blood-written assuranced about the Somali state well then I must give you my good luck because you will need all you can get.

Mogadishu will never be part of a region, federal, or tribal state and before you guys even try to go public with such delusions at least wait until you see the deluge of accountability which will be in store for that city as Somalia progresses politically.

Calaacal? Not even close. The fact that the constitutional committee that is tasked with drafting Somalia’s constitution is actually actively propagating the creation of a new district within Mogadishu to be used as a Federal District shows that all serious people understand that if and when federalism is chosen as the form of governance, then a lot of things will have to be changed to accommodate clan power balance. If the status of Mogadishu was simple; they would have decided there and then in Garowe about its destiny. The mere fact that they are relegating the ultimate decision to the parliament shows the clearly very controversial nature of Mogadishu. Besides, whatever solution is reached will have to be reached through consensus and compromises. Trust me, If the words and opinions of “couple Abgaal kids” had no impact on your life, you wouldn’t be a reduced to a refugee whose entire power is to throw some temper tantrums from Seattle.

Admit it, your wet dreams about ignoring all established legal, moral, political and historical basis of Mogadishu in your lousy attempt to create a situation you can lay an equal claim to Mogadishu will never see the light of day. The sooner you give up this nostalgic imagery of returning to your family’s properties built on illegally obtained nepotistic means the better. The people of Mogadishu have staged the biggest insurgency in modern African history to bring down not only the most brutal regime in African history but went on to defeat Ethiopian Occupation and UNISOM and rejected all foreign attempts to impose their wills on our people. Today they stand ready and better positioned to defeat an International Jihadist Network and are laying the foundations for a stabl and just Somalia free from dictatorship, neo-colonialism and outside interference despite all attempts to maintain the status quo. Hurts you deeply, doesn’t it?

[FarhanYare]

Lol @ this. Dude I left Somalia at the beginning and lived in the US comfortably for 20 years. You had to flee on a boat from the same heroes of yours and were brought by the Red Cross to cold snow of Minnesota couple years ago. I'm not going to rehash the old inifinity debated discussions about civil war and stolen properties, because it would be redundant. More than that though because time and law is on my side. My uncle went to Mogadishu coming back sametime you did. My brother was there during that time. I know the reality. Clan is not anything in Mogadishu, it's your status and capital. That's how Somalia's capital should be. I am simply telling you Mogadishu and accountability will be the single most defining issue of the civil war and the fact that the status of Mog and not any other city was left to Somalia's parliament should show you the reality. There is no way in hell it will be part of a a regional or federal state, tribal or otherwise. Mog is the federal district and will stay as such. As for the different options, it doesn't matter as I have heard it is just a way to say "all" options have been looked at.

How can you think like you do when you know no way in hell in legitimate mainstream discussion a Hawiye can even engage in a discussion about stolen Mogadishu properties when the other side carries all the moral weight? Waa yaab wallahi

what about the mareexaan qaxooti in utanga camps who were flown from there to different parts of diaspora.