Banadir

[sahal80]

Hawiye ppl think they own shit they bully others in xamar.

xamarwene people moorshe and dhabarwene are very related to hawiye, they look typical somalis and are darker than the rest of reer xamar, instead of turning them away on the sea, they welcomed taaya persians, the makhzumite reer fiqi and the hashimi ashraaf baa calaawi.
So, basically, they thought them af somali with reer fiqi becoming the jurists of xamarwene

Interesting. And how are dhabarwene and moorshe related to Hawiye sub clans? Which ones in particular and where do they fit in terms of ab tiris?

i was searching for you this article from scott reeses book holy men and social discourse in clonial banaadir.
you need to understand that hawiye is a very very large clan, that there were the pre-hawiyes like garre, dabarre, walmuge,maqare samaale,xamare samaale, jambeele,silcis, baalcade.......... so, basically, reer xamar are hawiyo-arabs. some are samaale like maqarre samaale, xamare samaale like bandhaboow, they all dont claim of arab origin/persian origin. some of them believe they are the real cushitic of the south.
scott rees is talking about when the light skinned baxar suufi has landed at the coast would the hawiye moorshow and dhabarwene receive him or reject him?
im not sure him adding murursade, i have watched this from universal tv for a banadiri historian that dhabarwene are cabdi yusuf hawadle. anyways scott rees says in this book "dubbarwen claim descent from the hawadle and murursade clans.
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=fb4U ... 6AEwAA#v=o

[sahal80]

plus they look like more hawadle

http://shacabka.camaloow.com/Shirka%20% ... nmark.html

[BlackVelvet]

Sorry but I find it difficult to take you seriously

[sahal80]

Sorry but I find it difficult to take you seriously

bv, I gave you the sources, read for scott rees,al jowhar al nafis for shaykh awes albarawi, dhaberwene genaolog in cabdi yusuf, muurshe geneolohg in walmuge ajuran. Bandhaboow abtirsi as xamare samaale. Plus them partaking in the USC. Mohamed rajis of dhabarwene was in the ali mahdi wing of the USC as hawadle.

[BlackVelvet]

I have a question. Say someone has a Xawadle mother but a non Xawadle dad, do they look Xawadle or is the "Xawadle look" lost?

[Eaglehawk]

Calamity has befallen upon the banadir name when a habar gedir claims to be a baanadiri

Because you were born in xamar doesn`t mean you are banadiri, I was born in xamar but am not banadiri
banadiri is social political identity that emanated through the centuries and the thing that binds banadiri people is shared experience in cosmopolitan environment

hawiye traditionally never was a cosmopolitan clan they were nomadic like other somalis so they could never have been banadiris
The banadiri have a distinct history and culture compared to nomadic Somalis which hawiye is part of

[BlackVelvet]

hawiye traditionally never was a cosmopolitan clan they were nomadic like other somalis

Actually Mudulood have lived in Banadir for centuries. But never have I heard a Hawiye claim to be Banadiri, it's even a new name. Silliest thing I have heard, it's like an Isaaq claiming to be a Maakhirian.

[sahal80]

I have a question. Say someone has a Xawadle mother but a non Xawadle dad, do they look Xawadle or is the "Xawadle look" lost?

i didn't mean that comment. Let us stay in the topic and there were always hawiye in banaadir as pastorl somalis who had hawiye rural life and live stock according to ibnu batuta who Has been there in the 13th century. Thus the arrival of the pastoralism with mudulood is far from the true. There were samaales,pre-hawiyes,hawiyes.
All were natives, the new ones are extension of the native ones, reer maayo of marka are the same eeyle hunters and fishers. This is. In a book by virginia luling.

This eagle doesn't know banaadir history and its native pastoral clans like moorshe,walmuge,dhabarwene,bandhsboow. this is in the books of taariikh al somal for sharif aderous,scott rees.
What your all mistaking them is that they don't fit in the modern clan system but that doesn't mean banaadiri is a clan, some pastoral samaale and hawiye are in them, some digil are in them, some bantu are in them so each one of them looks back to its clan roots.

[BlackVelvet]

Well people live together for centuries and they are bound to be related. Your Xawadle thing just makes me laugh is all.

[The_Patriot]

Well people live together for centuries and they are bound to be related. Your Xawadle thing just makes me laugh is all.

BV dont waste time talking to this white man.

[BlackVelvet]

He is dedicated to his cause.

[The_Patriot]

As for Teamo she/he might be Hawiyeh.

Reer Xamar are funny folks incase a lamagodle marries their women. The Kids will be cut off from their reer adheer and will be most hanging around their reer abti and the kid will grow up cursing lamagodle.
reminds me of this

[sahal80]

Well people live together for centuries and they are bound to be related. Your Xawadle thing just makes me laugh is all.

as a habargidir, your pissed of by hawadle. i never talked about a clan in this thread except the larger hawiye, it was you who asked me to tell you wich hawiye subclan are they related some of them, as soon i said my cadbdi yusuf southren hawadle and showed you the dhabarwene subclan of cabdi yusuf and that scott rees says dhabarwene claiam being hawadle you gone crazy. i said dhabarwene is darker and they look the same as my cabdi yusuf you asked me whats the hawadle look LOOOOOL
SORRY mukulaal madoow i dont look like you. i can see the blood in my hands.
this is my cabdi yusuf

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[sahal80]

[BlackVelvet]

as a habargidir, your pissed of by hawadle.

Lord have mercy