Banadir

[The`Republic]

Banaadiri/Cad-Cad/reer Xamar/Gibil-Cad/rer Shingaani/Shaanshi, etc etc etc all are names who interchange in the historical context to mean the non-pastoral mixed-race proto-Swahili descent people from the coast of Merka, Baraawe, and Muqdisho.

Abgaal, Murusade, and other clans who historical settled near them are not even called those names either. The only name which seems to be undergoing a new definition is "reer Xamar".

Historically reer Xamar were the people of Hamarweyne, the old Swahili district entirely people by the Swahili descent people we know as "Cad-cad/Gibil cad". Post-independence it came to define the people of Italian Somaliland in comparison to "rer Hargeisa" or people of British Somaliland. Post-civil war it was attempted to define it as the Hawiye people when compared with the Darod people. Colloquially during that time in conversation it reverted back to mean the gibil-cad. It means that right now once again.

Those names have nothing to do with pastoral cultured Somali clans like Dir, Darod, Isaaq, Hawiye, etc.

[KingMJ]

Wait so reer xamar are natives. Then who are the non-natives barwani's???

[CismanMaxamud1]

by who?

[FarhanYare]

Te Amo aka BV i doubt you are even hawiye

[Somaliman50]

people are basing their opinions on shady opinionated information. sahal baa ugu dhow wixii xaqiiqo sheegtay. xamar waxaa aasaaska ka dambeeyey saldanada ajuraan weliba reeraha moorshe ayaa salka u dhigey. qolyo kasoo haajiray yemen iyo carabta/persia waxay xamar u aadeen magangelyo, weliba badankood cumaan bay kasoo carareen. then waxaa dhacay dagaalkii bortuqeeska, kadibna imaamka abgaalka ayaa ajuraanka beledka ka ceyrshay, waa tii imaamnimada loo wareejiyey abgaalka and that is why the abgaal are the only somali clan with the imaam title today, it was the ajuraan which they inherited. there was an interesting debate about the benadiri title which eng aba awoow suufi and dr cali maxamuud raage debated about and both came with useful information.

[The`Republic]

Listen there are books in print right now arguing Ghandi was a homosexual. People can argue what they want. No where in historical or even present Somali dichotomy whether written or spoken has anyone every attributed "Banadiri", "Gibil-Cad", "reer Xamar", etc names who mean one group to mean any of the Samaale clans (Hawiye, Darod, Isaaq, Dir, etc).

They all mean the proto-Swahili origin people we know populate Shingaani and Xamarweyne.

[sahal80]

Listen there are books in print right now arguing Ghandi was a homosexual. People can argue what they want. No where in historical or even present Somali dichotomy whether written or spoken has anyone every attributed "Banadiri", "Gibil-Cad", "reer Xamar", etc names who mean one group to mean any of the Samaale clans (Hawiye, Darod, Isaaq, Dir, etc).

They all mean the proto-Swahili origin people we know populate Shingaani and Xamarweyne.

your saying sawahili to deny the samaleness/hawiyeness of mogadisho, sorry mate xamar speaks af somali not sawaxili who only reached barawe from mombasa during the burtugal era (17 century)
mogadishos ancient natives were real samaale cushites, they only claim of being native cushites like the ajuraans, dhabarwene,bandhaboow. some believe that they are the real somalis and hate the rest of nomads and i can post for you their sayings.
sharif caydarus in his bugyatal amaal fii taariikh al somal says about the foundation of mogadisho that it used to be called malmila a home for pastoral somalis with camels and then the arabs have landed and they welcomed them. this is the same as the oral history of muurshe and dhabarwene who claim having welcomed shaykh baxar sufi and his persians and arabs.
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=fb4U ... nt&f=false

[sahal80]

people are basing their opinions on shady opinionated information. sahal baa ugu dhow wixii xaqiiqo sheegtay. xamar waxaa aasaaska ka dambeeyey saldanada ajuraan weliba reeraha moorshe ayaa salka u dhigey. qolyo kasoo haajiray yemen iyo carabta/persia waxay xamar u aadeen magangelyo, weliba badankood cumaan bay kasoo carareen. then waxaa dhacay dagaalkii bortuqeeska, kadibna imaamka abgaalka ayaa ajuraanka beledka ka ceyrshay, waa tii imaamnimada loo wareejiyey abgaalka and that is why the abgaal are the only somali clan with the imaam title today, it was the ajuraan which they inherited. there was an interesting debate about the benadiri title which eng aba awoow suufi and dr cali maxamuud raage debated about and both came with useful information.

we know our historya.

[sahal80]

Wait so reer xamar are natives. Then who are the non-natives barwani's???

the ancient xamar was mainly xamarwene, they include great deal of native pastorals and are called the dark banaadiri. they are the same people wich ibnu batuta was talking about them like the moorshe,dhabarwene and bandhaboow. they have the same samaale abtirsi of irirs like maqarre samaale and xamare samaale. they just let the non native reer fiqi to be the jurists of mogadisho then there was this religous war between reer fiqi banu makhzum and baa calawi who wanted to replce them as hashimites, they reached some salution wich is the asharaf role in somalia to make peace between the people and let alone the politics.
SHANGANI are not natives, they had mainly persian origin but this xaafad was only for the pure middle eastreners who didnt like to mix with the natives.
BARAWE are a mix of bortugal, sawahili arabs from mombasa and the digil tunni they dont consider themselves somalis they like more kenya.

[TheblueNwhite]

people are basing their opinions on shady opinionated information. sahal baa ugu dhow wixii xaqiiqo sheegtay. xamar waxaa aasaaska ka dambeeyey saldanada ajuraan weliba reeraha moorshe ayaa salka u dhigey. qolyo kasoo haajiray yemen iyo carabta/persia waxay xamar u aadeen magangelyo, weliba badankood cumaan bay kasoo carareen. then waxaa dhacay dagaalkii bortuqeeska, kadibna imaamka abgaalka ayaa ajuraanka beledka ka ceyrshay, waa tii imaamnimada loo wareejiyey abgaalka and that is why the abgaal are the only somali clan with the imaam title today, it was the ajuraan which they inherited. there was an interesting debate about the benadiri title which eng aba awoow suufi and dr cali maxamuud raage debated about and both came with useful information.

My afar qooble brother summed it up pretty well.