IF Ali Mahdi Resigned

[illuminatizz]

And General M.farah Aydiid Became President,what do you think the situation in somalia would have turned into? i have seen such scenerios is not discussed in this forum becuase of pro-afweyne and their Mogadishu Lackeys always avoid such scenerio.
In my opinion,somalia would have been a bettter place and no such thing as somaliland would have existed,mogadishu would have remained peaceful and democratic institutaion would have been put in place by the General M.F.caydiid.

[Khalid Ali]

Abgaal believed it was their right to rule after afweyne was ousted because with in the Mudulood they have never led USC had no long term plan after the removal of general siad bare, Somaliland independence would have come no mater what possibility if caydid was president the SNM would have done north south power sharing USC AND SNM to domanate the Somali republic but SL would have played equal terms with the south but under one Somali republic but SNM had a plan B total independence would also be an option the latter was adopted. Even if caydiid was to become president cali mahdi and his abgaal would have still fought him some how.

[dayax123]

Khalid Ali, Abgaal were USC before Aidid became a USC. USC was establihed in Rome by Dr Ismail Jimale (Abgal) and Ali Wardigley (Murusade), the later was also SNM deputy chairman in the early days of SNM. At that time, Aidid was the Somali ambassador to India and had nothing to with USC. Both Dr. Ismail and Ali Wardhigley deid in italy for unexplained reasons. Some say the regime bribed doctors to poison them. After the death of these two USC founders, Aidid became the the chairman of USC and escaped to Ethiopia. How ever, USC was not united like the SNM. There were two main wings of USC. USC Muxtaxiil led by Aidid and USC Mogadishu led by Hussein Haji Bod( Abgal) the later was funded by Mogadishu businesmen including Ali Mahdi Mohamed a famouse Abgal hoteler and businessman in Mogadishu, Bod him self was a business man.

USC Mogadishu group were predominatly businessmen from the Abgal and Murusde clans that did not like Aidid. This group were more close to Dr Ali Jimale and Ali Wardhigley before their death. Vast majoriy of the group were also the politicians, elders and bussiness men who singed the famouse Manifesto statement that suggested Siad Barre to resign. That is why some people name them Manifesto Group. Later, Manifesto also become nick name for the Abgal.

USC mustaxiil led by Aidid mainly fought in central regions, but had little effect on Mogadishu battle that ultimately ousted Siad Barre. The huge fighting started in Mogadishu in december 1990 at Abgal neighborhoods in Mogadishu like Sinaay and other parts of Wardhigley district. The battle contined until 26 January 1991. Aidids men, predominantly Habargidir and Xawadle come in to the city four days before the the regime was ousted. Xawadle later shifted their allience to Abgal.

After the fall of Afwayne, Aidid believed that he was the one that ousted Siad Barre,at the same time, USC wing in Mogadishu like Ali mahdi and Bood believed that the victory was brough by them since they fougt the regime at its main head quarters in the capital and forced Afwayne to retreat from the capital city. These two groups of USC were the the corner stone of Hawiye civil war that ruined mogadishu and brought hopeless to the rest of the country.

[Marques]

Tbh either of them could have been a good President whilst the other could have supported him. They were enough to put Siyadists out of the picture, all that was left was appease the reer waqooyi.

[Estarix]

Maybe Mogadishu wouldnt be destroyed and SNM would take greater part in the 90s inter clan wars, i dont know and it Doesnt matter, the truth is that the country Somalia as we know it was fucked when the USC decided to clan cleanse its way through the south.

[Khalid Ali]

Khalid Ali, Abgaal were USC before Aidid became a USC. USC was establihed in Rome by Dr Ismail Jimale (Abgal) and Ali Wardigley (Murusade), the later was also SNM deputy chairman in the early days of SNM. At that time, Aidid was the Somali ambassador to India and had nothing to with USC. Both Dr. Ismail and Ali Wardhigley deid in italy for unexplained reasons. Some say the regime bribed doctors to poison them. After the death of these two USC founders, Aidid became the the chairman of USC and escaped to Ethiopia. How ever, USC was not united like the SNM. There were two main wings of USC. USC Muxtaxiil led by Aidid and USC Mogadishu led by Hussein Haji Bod( Abgal) the later was funded by Mogadishu businesmen including Ali Mahdi Mohamed a famouse Abgal hoteler and businessman in Mogadishu, Bod him self was a business man.

USC Mogadishu group were predominatly businessmen from the Abgal and Murusde clans that did not like Aidid. This group were more close to Dr Ali Jimale and Ali Wardhigley before their death. Vast majoriy of the group were also the politicians, elders and bussiness men who singed the famouse Manifesto statement that suggested Siad Barre to resign. That is why some people name them Manifesto Group. Later, Manifesto also become nick name for the Abgal.

USC mustaxiil led by Aidid mainly fought in central regions, but had little effect on Mogadishu battle that ultimately ousted Siad Barre. The huge fighting started in Mogadishu in december 1990 at Abgal neighborhoods in Mogadishu like Sinaay and other parts of Wardhigley district. The battle contined until 26 January 1991. Aidids men, predominantly Habargidir and Xawadle come in to the city four days before the the regime was ousted. Xawadle later shifted their allience to Abgal.

After the fall of Afwayne, Aidid believed that he was the one that ousted Siad Barre,at the same time, USC wing in Mogadishu like Ali mahdi and Bood believed that the victory was brough by them since they fougt the regime at its main head quarters in the capital and forced Afwayne to retreat from the capital city. These two groups of USC were the the corner stone of Hawiye civil war that ruined mogadishu and brought hopeless to the rest of the country.

You are right there were two wings but also the Manifesto group messed things up when they tried to meddle in the affairs of the USC and how the Somali republic would look like post general afweyne. You are right Ali wardhigley was one of the co founders of the USC U ARE RIGHT that aideed joined the USC when it was well established but he became the chair person and led it. the protests occured in Mogadishu around in December 19990 and that was when the red berrets were firing shots towards the masses and the neighrborhoods of Mogadishu, if there could have been a framework between the manifesto and the USC elites on how to continue. the SNM and USC agreed on something in 1989 to lead the country together. But it wasnt meant to be Ilaaahay baan qorin

[AbkoowDhiblaawe]

Khalid Ali, Abgaal were USC before Aidid became a USC. USC was establihed in Rome by Dr Ismail Jimale (Abgal) and Ali Wardigley (Murusade), the later was also SNM deputy chairman in the early days of SNM. At that time, Aidid was the Somali ambassador to India and had nothing to with USC. Both Dr. Ismail and Ali Wardhigley deid in italy for unexplained reasons. Some say the regime bribed doctors to poison them. After the death of these two USC founders, Aidid became the the chairman of USC and escaped to Ethiopia. How ever, USC was not united like the SNM. There were two main wings of USC. USC Muxtaxiil led by Aidid and USC Mogadishu led by Hussein Haji Bod( Abgal) the later was funded by Mogadishu businesmen including Ali Mahdi Mohamed a famouse Abgal hoteler and businessman in Mogadishu, Bod him self was a business man.

USC Mogadishu group were predominatly businessmen from the Abgal and Murusde clans that did not like Aidid. This group were more close to Dr Ali Jimale and Ali Wardhigley before their death. Vast majoriy of the group were also the politicians, elders and bussiness men who singed the famouse Manifesto statement that suggested Siad Barre to resign. That is why some people name them Manifesto Group. Later, Manifesto also become nick name for the Abgal.

USC mustaxiil led by Aidid mainly fought in central regions, but had little effect on Mogadishu battle that ultimately ousted Siad Barre. The huge fighting started in Mogadishu in december 1990 at Abgal neighborhoods in Mogadishu like Sinaay and other parts of Wardhigley district. The battle contined until 26 January 1991. Aidids men, predominantly Habargidir and Xawadle come in to the city four days before the the regime was ousted. Xawadle later shifted their allience to Abgal.

After the fall of Afwayne, Aidid believed that he was the one that ousted Siad Barre,at the same time, USC wing in Mogadishu like Ali mahdi and Bood believed that the victory was brough by them since they fougt the regime at its main head quarters in the capital and forced Afwayne to retreat from the capital city. These two groups of USC were the the corner stone of Hawiye civil war that ruined mogadishu and brought hopeless to the rest of the country.

[STARKAST]

Both were incompetent. Their "coup" was the most failed operation in the history of the world. 1/4 century later no government, no nothing.

[dayax123]

Yes, USC manifesto wing had some faults for example they single handedly declared a government with out green light from the other rebel groups.But even if they had consulted with Aidid, he would not accept any government that he was not not leading. on the otherhand, Manifisto group could not accept to change dictator to dictator. I don't like to fan old flames, but Aidid was much worse than Afwayne. Change Afwayne to Aidid was like jump from the frying pan into the fire. When the first post Afwayne government was declared, Aidid declined to accept and recognize the goverment. In response, more than 100 reputable Hawiye intellecutials including politicians, regligiouse men, traders, former milliatary officers and elders met Aidid and suggested him to accept the out come of DJibouti conference and not begin conferentation in the city, unfortunately Aidid did not accept these suggestions.

[Khalid Ali]

You cant legitimize something that is illegitimate, if the Djibouti conference in 1991 if the people wanted it to succeed a the Somali republic party should have been created and the USC and SNM would have had a lion share of this party,sharing the party members between themselves Manifesto started off good but they messed things up when they tried to ignore others and wanted to justify the Ali mahdi presidency.AIDEED was not to bad really he would have been a strong patriotic leader he would have never been a puppet if given the chance to govern but because he was a soldier and they confronted him he fought back and everything was lost

[DR-YALAXOOW]

ali mahdi was elected ku meelgaar presedent only 2 years and and mad man aydiid who were Not even took part the dagaalkii siyaad barre xukunka looga riday could not waite those 2 years. hadduu nin caqli leh yahay aydiid labada sano ee ku meelgaarka ah ayuu sugi lahaa..

Cali mahdi dawlad ku meelgaarka sababta loo dhisayna waxay aheeyd inaysan wadanka ka dhicin Power vacuum... Ali mahdi wuxuu ahaa madaxweyne ku meelgaar ah and labada sano markuu dhameeysto markaa ka dib ayaa la dooran lahaa qofkii xukunka dalka qabsanayo ha ahaado caydiid ama qof kale.. Nasiib xumo Aydiid nin waalan ahaa Xukun doon ahaa . who was not even chairman of USC started the 4 month war which was start of the civil war and the war which was born of warlordsim in south somalia and destroyed most beautifull city in east africa xamar...

[AbkoowDhiblaawe]

ali mahdi was elected ku meelgaar presedent only 2 years and and mad man aydiid who were Not even took part the dagaalkii siyaad barre xukunka looga riday could not waite those 2 years. hadduu nin caqli leh yahay aydiid labada sano ee ku meelgaarka ah ayuu sugi lahaa..

Cali mahdi dawlad ku meelgaarka sababta loo dhisayna waxay aheeyd inaysan wadanka ka dhicin Power vacuum... Ali mahdi wuxuu ahaa madaxweyne ku meelgaar ah and labada sano markuu dhameeysto markaa ka dib ayaa la dooran lahaa qofkii xukunka dalka qabsanayo ha ahaado caydiid ama qof kale.. Nasiib xumo Aydiid nin waalan ahaa Xukun doon ahaa . who was not even chairman of USC started the 4 month war which was start of the civil war and the war which was born of warlordsim in south somalia and destroyed most beautifull city in east africa xamar...

+1.

Maxamed Siyaad,Ceydiid and Abdullahi yusuf were all sick in head. Wax ka xukun jecel alle ma abuurin.

[Khalid Ali]

Cali mahdi liked power to or else he would have not taken the seat

[AbkoowDhiblaawe]

Cali mahdi liked power to or else he would have not taken the seat

Ali mahdi was an oppurtunist he was no saint. But he was sure as hell alot better than caydiid and majority of the somali people knows this. Ceydiid only knew force and he would not be better than MSB himself.

[dayax123]

You cant legitimize something that is illegitimate, if the Djibouti conference in 1991 if the people wanted it to succeed a the Somali republic party should have been created and the USC and SNM would have had a lion share of this party,sharing the party members between themselves Manifesto started off good but they messed things up when they tried to ignore others and wanted to justify the Ali mahdi presidency.AIDEED was not to bad really he would have been a strong patriotic leader he would have never been a puppet if given the chance to govern but because he was a soldier and they confronted him he fought back and everything was lost

who do you know as USC? please define. Ali Mhadi and the rest of manifesto group are those who funded the USC, those who bravely stood infront of Siad Barre and told him to resign. Those who could hold their meetings in Mogadishu even though Siad Barre controlled the city. Those who swept Afwayn's red barrets from the city.

Yes, SNM was not consluted, but there were heavy weight northerners in Djibouti conference like your Habarawal uncles Omar Arte Ghalib who later became pm of the interim government and Mohamed Haji ibrahim Egal who also became minster of national aviation in Ghalib cabinet. Khalid, I think you know nothing of Aidid. If Aidid would became the sole ruler of somalia he would destroy Somaliland worse than Afwayne did.

But how dare you fought one dictator and accept onother dictator?