IF Ali Mahdi Resigned

[Marques]

dayax, give credit where it is due. If it wasn't for Aideed, Barre would have come back to power. Hawiyes decieved Aideed and let him down. They told him if he wanted Presidency then he should capture Kismaayo and put Barre into exile, he did both and when he made the famous phone call to Mogadishu saying arinta waa kala tuuray maxaa isku ogayn markaasay odayaasha Hawiye ka damiyeen telfoonka.

[dayax123]

dayax, give credit where it is due. If it wasn't for Aideed, Barre would have come back to power. Hawiyes decieved Aideed and let him down. They told him if he wanted Presidency then he should capture Kismaayo and put Barre into exile, he did both and when he made the famous phone call to Mogadishu saying arinta waa kala tuuray maxaa isku ogayn markaasay odayaasha Hawiye ka damiyeen telfoonka.

No one decieved Aidid, He sent late Omar Hashi Adan to Djibout conference to represent him and said "Cumar Xaashi waan ku go'aa waxi uu ii soo qaado". Omar Hashi accepted Djibouti peace conference and Ali Mahdi's presidency. Then maxuu ugu go' waayay waxi Cumar uu u soo qaaday? Aidid could not confront Barre on his own. Siad Barre would remain in Mogadishu for years with out USC's manifesto wing.

[Khalid Ali]

I agree with marques aideed was let down by hawiye he defeated the faqash chased them humuliated them, but hawiye did not follow him, i would have not mind caydeed presidency., cumar carte was a former kacaanist he was in no way representive of snm and isaaq in the civil war, the djibouti comference was not legitimate. Waligu deg degay waxba lagama fiirsan. Ps cigaal was never part of the xamar govt of ali mahdi, he took part of the comference in dj and later came to sheikh in sl, but he was never part of that.

[DR-YALAXOOW]

khalid.. Aydiid did not even took part of dagaalkii siyaad barre xukunka looga riday walaahi... Aydiid was in ethiopia when kacdoonka shacabka war started in xamar diseembar 1990...

the war against siyaad bare the USC forces waxaa hogaaminayey AUN general NEERO and general GALAAL..

Aydiid come xamar isagoo dhuudhuumanaya 19 janaayo 1991 just 5 days before siyaad bare xamar isaga orday and siyaad bare goverment stop existing.. aydiid not not took part dagaalkii siyaad bare xukunka looga riday...

[dayax123]

I agree with marques aideed was let down by hawiye he defeated the faqash chased them humuliated them, but hawiye did not follow him, i would have not mind caydeed presidency., cumar carte was a former kacaanist he was in no way representive of snm and isaaq in the civil war, the djibouti comference was not legitimate. Waligu deg degay waxba lagama fiirsan. Ps cigaal was never part of the xamar govt of ali mahdi, he took part of the comference in dj and later came to sheikh in sl, but he was never part of that.

Khalid you dont even know your clan's history. I always thought that you were older enough to know what was going on in early 1990s or before. Search on Ali Mahdi goverment minsters. I swear that Igal was a minster of civil aviation. Igal was in Mogadishu at that time, while Abdirahman tur declared declared somaliland independence.

Igal went to somaliland and fough Abdirahman tur. When Abdirahman tur was defeated in the Isaq civil war he came to Mogadishu and became one of Aidid's five vice presidents. Look how Aid was not even generouse to Reer Waqooyi. Ali mahdi and USC manifesto allowed equal sharing of South and North. If Koofur gets president waqooyi gets primemister and vice versa. Ali Mahdi ( konfurian ) Presidnet and Omar Arti ( northerner) was primeminster plus many reer waqooyi misnters including Igaal. Then look Aidid's self declared Salbalaar government... He called him self a president, he had five vice presidents one was Abdirahman Tuur, other was Mohamed hashi Adan ( Majeerteen) then rahanwaien, .....so on. In the eyes of Aidid north was one of five clans that should get his vice president .

[dayax123]

khalid.. Aydiid did not even took part of dagaalkii siyaad barre xukunka looga riday walaahi... Aydiid was in ethiopia when kacdoonka shacabka war started in xamar diseembar 1990...

the war against siyaad bare the USC forces waxaa hogaaminayey AUN general NEERO and general GALAAL..

Aydiid come xamar isagoo dhuudhuumanaya 19 janaayo 1991 just 5 days before siyaad bare xamar isaga orday and siyaad bare goverment stop existing.. aydiid not not took part dagaalkii siyaad bare xukunka looga riday...

Datoore these kids only know Somali history starting from as early as 2005. I agree with you Aidid came into Mogadishu in 19 January 1991, when he came to Mogadishu, he did not even go the battle frontlines in Wardhigley and Zonaha madaxtoyada but camped his men at Waxara Cade out skirt of Mogadishu. He was only waiting to come inside the city when Siyad Barre retreats so as to claim victory.

[Khalid Ali]

The reason why tuuur became irrelevant im xamar he had no status with in isaaq not as snm or somaliland

Cigaal attended the jabuuti comference but was never in xamar im1991 or let alone was a minister where the hell did i get that from, cigaal was only in jabuuti he wanted to become presidemt of the former somali republic


Cumar carte did not represent isaaq so him mahdis deputy is also irrelevant remember both ali mahdis and sal balaadh were not legitimate governments , but they could have been legitimate.


Yalaxow u cant just discredit caydiid and his role in the war agaimst afweyne

[dayax123]

The reason why tuuur became irrelevant im xamar he had no status with in isaaq not as snm or somaliland

Cigaal attended the jabuuti comference but was never in xamar im1991 or let alone was a minister where the hell did i get that from, cigaal was only in jabuuti he wanted to become presidemt of the former somali republic


Cumar carte did not represent isaaq so him mahdis deputy is also irrelevant remember both ali mahdis and sal balaadh were not legitimate governments , but they could have been legitimate.


Yalaxow u cant just discredit caydiid and his role in the war against afweyne

The issue is not who had status or had no status in Isaaq, and we are not talking about Isaaq inter habar wars in early 1990s. The issue is How did Aidid see Somaliland and how did Ali mahdi see Somaliland. Aidid did see Somaliland as one of five clans while Ali Mahdi always wanted equal sharing of power between south and north. We are not talking about legitamcy of Ali mahdi and Aidid governments either, we only want to see their fromula of power sharing. Igal left Mogadihsu when four months battle started in Mogadishu and was part of Ali mahadi.

[Khalid Ali]

Egal left for the uae when the shir in jabuuti was concluded he was dissatsfied how it turned out he was never part mahdis government , thats the most aburd claim i ever heard cigaals last position im the former soMali republic was rugta ganacsiga im the1980s


Second you have to put thimgs into context sal balaadh was few years after sl declared independence , so what was the point of all of this and the 5presidents , aideed always wanted to reach out to snm and to honor the 1989 pact but it was to late. Ali mahdi made umar arte his pm because umar arte was a former crook close to afweyne, so it would not make any difference really, when it comes to the result , if ali mahdi reached out to the leadership of snm in sl, that would have been different, than i would give u the benefit of the doubt, but to make arte pm is not moving forward making the last vp of afweyne pm under mahdi makes no sense.

[dayax123]

Egal left for the uae when he shir in jabuuti he was dissatsfied how it turned out was never part mahdis government , thats the most aburd claim i ever heard cigaals last position im the former soMali republic was tugta gsmscsigs im the1980s


Second you have to put thimgs into context sal balaadh was few years after sl declared independence , so what was the point of all of this and the 5presidents , aideed always wanted to reach out to snm and to honor the 1989 pact but it was to late. Ali mahdi made umar arte his pm because umar arte was a former crook close to afweyne, so it would not make any difference really, when it comes to the result , if ali mahdi reached out to the leadership of snm in sl, that would have been different, than i would give u the benefit of the doubt,

USC Manifesto group sent Osman Jelle to Hargeisa to mediate between USC and SNM and to call SNM to Djibouti conference but they declined because they wanted to declare independence. Hassan Guled Abtidon, then president of Djibout tried once again to convince SNM to come to Djibout conference they declined, then Djibout minster of foreing affairs tried to convence them again they declined.

Here is the interior minster of Ali Mahdi government Qanyare asked in 1991 why did not they consult with SNM and see what he answer. Start from 56:50

[libaaxyare]

What happen between USC is history. Ali mahdi and ceydiid both played their bit. Ali mahdi was leading large part of hawiye manifesto group political wing and ceydiid even tho he came Mogadishu after xamar was freed they elected him to became Military leader from afgooye to Kismayu him and gen ciriiri leader of saadka meliteriga which they let USC and defeated afwaynes remaining.

That that is history today and Caydiid or Cali mahdi"s manifesto group had differentces in USC leadership. Now its history and HAG needs to deal the current situation and take it from where USC left and move forward.

The End.

[Osob101]

You cant legitimize something that is illegitimate, if the Djibouti conference in 1991 if the people wanted it to succeed a the Somali republic party should have been created and the USC and SNM would have had a lion share of this party,sharing the party members between themselves Manifesto started off good but they messed things up when they tried to ignore others and wanted to justify the Ali mahdi presidency.AIDEED was not to bad really he would have been a strong patriotic leader he would have never been a puppet if given the chance to govern but because he was a soldier and they confronted him he fought back and everything was lost

The mess Aideed created was very advantageous to you and thus the reason all Idoors are Pro Aidiiid

[TheblueNwhite]

Typical.
After he was schooled when he attempted to downplay Abgaal's role in the USC, he was like "but....".

He wants so bad for HG and Abgaal to go at each other in the thread. Who is dumb enough though?

[FarhanYare]

You cant legitimize something that is illegitimate, if the Djibouti conference in 1991 if the people wanted it to succeed a the Somali republic party should have been created and the USC and SNM would have had a lion share of this party,sharing the party members between themselves Manifesto started off good but they messed things up when they tried to ignore others and wanted to justify the Ali mahdi presidency.AIDEED was not to bad really he would have been a strong patriotic leader he would have never been a puppet if given the chance to govern but because he was a soldier and they confronted him he fought back and everything was lost

The mess Aideed created was very advantageous to you and thus the reason all Idoors are Pro Aidiiid

What mess has he (AUN) created ?

[STARKAST]

The ramifications of you being a refugee in Scandinavia, somewhere near the north pole.