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again - WTH is there for sharif to be "president" of?

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again - WTH is there for sharif to be "president" of?

Postby ModerateMuslim » Sat Jan 31, 2009 4:55 pm

puntland - NO!

somaliland - NO!

southern part of the country or even xamar...

Most of Somalia is controlled by various Islamist militias.... The government itself controls only a few blocks of Mogadishu.

The Shabab....controls most of Mogadishu and much of the southern part of the country.


http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/31/world ... malia.html


NO!

and you can totally forget about ogaden or NFD which he's willing to sellout....

so, as you fools can see, the murtad is just the "president" of just "few blocks of Mogadishu"! what a joke!

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Re: again - WTH is there for sharif to be "president" of?

Postby ModerateMuslim » Sat Jan 31, 2009 5:02 pm

and you fools can totally forget about reconciliation with the islamists!

sharif wants to rule by other than what allah has revealed - which is as great of kufr as there are. so no way in hell that the shabab and their allies, or even sheikh aweys and his group, are going to negotiate with this western agent. if they did, they'll be hypocrites and murtads themselves.

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Re: again - WTH is there for sharif to be "president" of?

Postby Somaliman50 » Sat Jan 31, 2009 5:35 pm

horta you need to stop your excessive use of ''murtad'', because on the day of judgement you have to come up with sufficient proof and testimony from the person you accuse, otherwise you'll be the ''murtad'' :roll:

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Re: again - WTH is there for sharif to be "president" of?

Postby ModerateMuslim » Sat Jan 31, 2009 5:51 pm

abakar20 wrote:horta you need to stop your excessive use of ''murtad'', because on the day of judgement you have to come up with sufficient proof and testimony from the person you accuse, otherwise you'll be the ''murtad'' :roll:


a murtad must be called by what he is....a murtad!

ruling by other than what allah has revealed is a clear kufre.....


Imaam Ahmad Shaakir said:

The matter in these fabricated laws is clear with the clearness of the sun. It is clear Kufr and there is nothing hidden about it and there is no excuse for anyone who attributes themselves to Islaam, whoever they may be, to act according to it or to submit to it or to approve of it.


Shaikh ul-Islaam Ibn Taymiyyah said:
And it is known by necessity in the Deen of the Muslims and by the agreement of all the Muslims that whoever follows a Sharee'ah other than the Sharee'ah of Muhammad then he is a Kaafir and it is like the Kufr of the one who believes in some of the Book and disbelieves in some of the Book." –"Al-Fataawa", Vol. 28/ 524


Al-Haafidh Ibn Katheer said:
"So whoever leaves the clear Sharee'ah, which was revealed to Muhammad Ibn Abdullah, the Seal of the Prophets, and takes the Hukm to other than it from the laws of Kufr which are abrogated, he has disbelieved. So what about the one who takes the Hukm to the 'Yasaaq' (the law of the Tartars which mixed Sahree'ah rulings with invented rulings) and puts it before it?! Whoever does that, he has disbelieved by the Ijmaa' of the Muslims."
– "Al-Bidaayah wa Nihaayah", Vol. 13/ 119


Shaikh Saalih al-Fowzaan said:
"So whoever takes the Hukm to other than the legislation of Allaah from all of the institutions and the man-made laws, then has taken the implicators of these laws and the ones who rule with them as partners with Allaah in his legislation. He, ta'ala said: 'Or do they have partners who have legislated for them what Allaah has not allowed? ' And He said: 'And if you obeyed them, then you are Mushrikeen. '
– "Al-Irshaad ila'Saheeh Al-' Atiqaad ", Vol. 1/ 72


And then again, after narrating what Al-Haafidh Ibn Katheer wrote concerning the Tartar's and "Al-Yasiq", he said, "And the likes of the law that he mentioned from the Tartars, and judged upon with Kufr, those who put in the place of the Islaamic Sharee'ah, are the fabricated laws, which have – in our time – been established as sources of laws in many countries and the Islaamic Sharee'ah has been disregarded in favor of them except in what they call 'personal matters'."
– "Al-Irshaad ila'Saheeh Al-' Atiqaad ", Vol. 1/ 74


Shaikh Mahmood Shaakir said:
So their question wasn't the 'Eebadeeyah's question to Abee Majliz about the Tafseer of this Ayaah – about that which the Mub'tadah of our time agree with concerning the judgement in money andblood with a law that opposes the Sharee'ah of the people of Islaam and not concerning implicating a law upon the people of Islaam and forcing them to take the judgement to other than the rule of Allaah in His Book and upon the tongue of His Prophet. So this action is turning away from the Hukm of Allaah and from His Deen and putting the laws of the Kuffar above the law of Allaah, subhaanahuu wa-ta'ala and this is Kufr. No one from the people of the Qiblah with their difference, doubts the Kufr of the one who says or calls to this." – From his commentary of At-Tabaree (" Tafseer At-Tabaree" Vol. 10/ 348)




and because sharif has chosen man-made laws over allah's law (and even chosen to ally himself with the enemy of muslims) then he's a clear murtad.
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Re: again - WTH is there for sharif to be "president" of?

Postby Ureysoo » Sat Jan 31, 2009 5:56 pm

Loooooool@ Aweys being better than Sh. Shariif

Both of them lay in the same category, however, the latter happens 2 be slightly better since he likes 2 keep a low profile. The former has a very tainted history, extremely spoiled reputation and atrocious political vision.

But then again, Cagdheer Baad Tahay, Maxaad Fahmi Karta?, Lol.....

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Re: again - WTH is there for sharif to be "president" of?

Postby Somaliman50 » Sat Jan 31, 2009 5:59 pm

what makes you think the sheriff has abandoned islamic law?

its all in good time sxb, all in good time.

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Re: again - WTH is there for sharif to be "president" of?

Postby ModerateMuslim » Sat Jan 31, 2009 6:00 pm

abakar20....

http://allafrica.com/stories/200812100053.html

Somalia: Islamic Scholars Should 'Stay Away From Politics,' Says Sheikh Sharif


and sworn to protect a kufre constitution...

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Re: again - WTH is there for sharif to be "president" of?

Postby Hyperactive » Sat Jan 31, 2009 6:00 pm

Ureysoo wrote:Loooooool@ Aweys being better than Sh. Shariif

Both of them lay in the same category, however, the latter happens 2 be slightly better since he likes 2 keep a low profile. The former has a very tainted history, extremely spoiled reputation and atrocious political vision.

But then again, Cagdheer Baad Tahay, Maxaad Fahmi Karta?, Lol.....


:lol: :lol: :lol:

eedo leave agteena deer alone.lol

on serious note, kan wo walan yahay you san ko warerin. wo iska khafiifay, ma ba sidu meel ugu ordayey.

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Re: again - WTH is there for sharif to be "president" of?

Postby ModerateMuslim » Sat Jan 31, 2009 6:04 pm

oh...look how cute hyper is...

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Re: again - WTH is there for sharif to be "president" of?

Postby Hyperactive » Sat Jan 31, 2009 6:06 pm

:lol: :lol:

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Re: again - WTH is there for sharif to be "president" of?

Postby Somaliman50 » Sat Jan 31, 2009 6:09 pm

somali star, cant he use his presidential powers to change things around? a lot of his men are in parliament, he can shuffle things around sxb.

anyway, many shuyukh from somalia supported him, including the ones who have islamic administrations in places like beledweyne and jowhar,, are they all gaalo as well?

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Re: again - WTH is there for sharif to be "president" of?

Postby Voltage » Sat Jan 31, 2009 6:18 pm

Somalistar Hyper is right, waad WAALANTAHAY. There is qafiif, qofka markuu isku yaro buuqo but I would really say waad waalantahay at your stage. What is next? Suicide bombing? Get a grip on yourself and breath for a second then go and start learning from Alxamdu.

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Re: again - WTH is there for sharif to be "president" of?

Postby Murax » Sat Jan 31, 2009 6:30 pm

Voltage,

Saaxib would You believe Me if I told You theres Many people who share this Guy's mindest and they're not crazy!



As for the issue, what people like this Guy always quote is the Ayah in the Quran that says "Whosover does not rule by what Allah prescribed Has disbelieved". However the Ulema have explained this as having two cases:

"Hukmul A'aam" which is a general ruling. Which means that in general whoever does not rule by what Allah prescribed has disblieved.

Then thers "Hukmul Khass" which means specific ruling, which our Sheikh Somali Star just gave with Sheikh Shareef. Assuming Sh Shareef doesn't rule by the Shariah the Ulema would investigate Why He's not ruling by the Shareeah. If He says He's not because He really believes in His heart that Western style democracy is better than the Shareeah of Allah then He is a Kaffir point blank. However if He's doing it out of fear, greed, etc. (99% of Muslim rulers) then He's not a disbliever but has made a Major sin.


And all in all Takfir is FOR THE SCHOLARS, not laymen. There the only ones that are allowed to make rulings of apostasy as they have the knowledge and rank to do so. The scholars are the leaders of the Ummah. Also be careful of quoting ayahs straight from the Quran and taking them literely. Theres Tafsir, explanation, hukm etc. that the Scholars derive from it. Get in the habit of finding the knowledgable people and asking them for explanations on things.


As for not ruling by the Shariah it is a very serious issue and cannot be taken lightly. If the Doctor gives You medicine and tells You take one tablet in the Morning and one in the Afternoon You'll take it exactly as He said. In our case Allah swt gave us a kitaab and a Rasul and by not applying it exactly as We should We're only hurting ourselves. Allah swt says that not ruling by the Quran will cause corruption in the Earth, and that is a big reason Why We're in this mess as an Ummah. Allah knows best.

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Re: again - WTH is there for sharif to be "president" of?

Postby ModerateMuslim » Sat Jan 31, 2009 6:57 pm

abakar,

we can only judge a person by their actions.

and, on that, sharif has exposed himself to be a clear murtad: abandoned jihad on a cia plan (thereby betraying the mujahideen); allied himself with the enemy of islam/muslims (murtads and kuffar); called for islamic scholars to stay away from politics (i.e. leave it to secularists); agreed to the kufre djibouti agreement; rejected islam infavor of man-made laws; sworn to protect kufre consititution; took a kufr position (presidency); wants to sellout the muslims of ogaden/NFD to kuffar; and so on.


murax,

madkhali and his sect taught you well. they should be very proud of you. keep twisting/mi-using/downplaying the quran to protect your sect's beloved rules and to attack mujahideen....

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Re: again - WTH is there for sharif to be "president" of?

Postby Voltage » Sat Jan 31, 2009 7:16 pm

war hus waxyaho diaperka xiran


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