SL should help out anti-federal koonfurian-ists

[BigBreak]

firstly koonfurian-ist means anyone from (ex italian) somalia who wants istelf to be one country but does want/mind neighbouring somaliland to be independent from somalia

reason being for writing this post is that a major obstacle of apparently being recognised as a soverign country is the line that koonfuria (aka somalia the ex italian colony) from ras caseyr to ras kamboni will itself fragment into 3 or more countries should SL get such diplomatic recognition. I therefore propose that somaliland helps out anyone in neighbouring somalia such as farmajo etc who wants to replace the so called federalism (virtual balkanization on the ground) with a strong, centralized and unitary national government with three conditions:
1. they recognise and accept somaliland is a separate soverign nation-state
2. that the capital of somalia must be mogadishu ...and
3. the ruler of somalia must never be kablalax

ps why do folks like adali etc who are against puntland say one the one hand somaliland must unite with somalia yet on the other hand say that they want puntland to break away from somalia

[Adali]

You are very right the federal scheme which was developed by the skewed PL politician as a check mate against SL recognition, for the simple reason that if SL does get independence the rest of the country will cannibalize itself in an attempt to form their own seperate clan nations, and PL will spear head this, so the IC have their hands tied and the same is true for the Somali government.

PL also claims Sool and Sanaag even though it technically doesn't require them to have a regional administration you need 2 regions only. This is clear xasidnimo and clannism to keep SL from getting recognition, they simply do not recognize SL as one entity that predates federalism, which we do.

I am not against PL, I see what they are doing and have done so for the past 27 years, they are clearly not interested in unity as they are very pro-federalism, but they are also jealous of SL achievements as they are against SL recognition.

As a Somali nationalist I respect the separatist more than the Puntlanders. I wish to see relations normalise between Hargaysa and Mogadishu. I support a centralized administration that exist beyond benadir state and reaches at least Galmudug, I don't mind too muhc South west and Jubaland as they strongly influenced by Ethiopia and Kenya, but Benadir, Hirshabelle and Galmudug are free somali admins with a minor alshabab issue in Benadir and Hirshabelle.

[Adali]

further more you cannot simply block majeerteen, they are troublesome bunch, unlike SL they live in the former italian SL and thus have a stake, but we wish to remedy their destablizing effect by granting them some autonomy in PL while focusing on developing the rest of the country south of Gaalkacyo, we in return will block them from political ambitions south of Gaalkacyo.

SL on the other hand has every right to invade PL for meddling in SL which they do not settle, you should have done this ages ago if you were at all serious about establishing SL as a single united entity, but you are plagued by the same disease of qabyalad as we are in the south. It is very easy for SL to invade PL capital Garowe, towns like Burtinle, Qardho, SL can also block PL economically by occupying Bosaso, a tactic they have used for many years against Kismaayo, infact they pressured the UAE to dock all their ships headed to Kismaayo in Bosaso first, they are a huge burden on JL.

So it makes sense for JL, SL and the Somali government to work together on this.

[BigBreak]

a good trade off is that Somalia will become a single country itself with help from SL etc as long as Somalia doesn't delude itself by dreaming of unity with Djibouti or somaliland

bari nugaal and undivided mudug are integral parts of Somalia since before the Italian colonisers arrived hence they shall never separate from Somalia. colonial borders are sacrosanct

kablalax ruling Somalia is a threat to Somalia itself as well as its neighbours such as Somaliland

[X.Playa]

The Daarood in their effort to preempt the Isaaq created the first monster in Djibouti Carte conference in 2000. The aim of the Daarood as it was in the 1960s is always to push and advocate for clan based power sharing.

They are adamant on that formula because deep inside beyond their theatrical faan they know that Isaaq and Hawiye outnumber them in the Somali republic. They pushed thus formula in 1960 using their Negro in law Aadan Cade and the big booty MJ wive ina muuse Mataan . This was the first cancer tumor on Somaliweyn dream. The Isaaq were pushing for two state power sharing irrespective to clan. Needless to say the Daarood ina Mataan Muuse group won the Hawiye support and the new Somali republic power sharing was based on clan. They further campaigned to convince Dameer Aadan Cade that the clan power sharing should be between Daarood and none-Daarood. None Daarood president the position or prime minister is Daarood, head of the army none Daarood seconded by Afweyne a Daarood and so forth. The Hawiye took the bait and the rest was disaster, the Isaaq in the 60s use to joke Aadan Cade will come in the morning to meet Isaaq limping from the waist from a long night grinding session with his big booty Daarood wive riding him while she is giving him all the orders from her Daarood. He was nicknamed. inan la yaalka daarood.

In Carte they essentially engineered the same feat, they formed 4.5 formula but with a one noticeable difference. They promoted Raxanweyn as a full clan ( to use against Hawiye) and convinced Hawiye and Dir to amalgamate Isaaq within Dir to reduce Isaaq vote and power in any future government. So a miracle took place which is Isaaq a clan that larger then Daarood and Raxanweyn was reduced to mere 22 mps less mps then the miinorties or so called the point five who has 35 mps vs the Isaaq 22 or 23. The southern Somalis always decry and bemoan how the 4.5 are not fair to the minorities reducing them to half people with 35 mps, but the irony they would tell you with straight face yes 23 mps is fair to Isaaq. If debated and confronted them as into the hows, they will shrug it off and giggle.

Now the second phase was to created federalism and make the condition for federalism the 2 and half province which exactly what puntland us made off, known well that most clans share every provinces with twice as much population of puntland. Again the thick knuckle head hawiye swallowed it.

Again the Daarood continued and convinced Hawiye to share the loot and have a clan rotating presidency and prime minister monopoly, the Hawiye again took it up the ass.

Somaliland politicians were watching, they knew who is behind the plot , but after long observation they found it in their own interest.

1- This will teach a lesson to any Isaaq who has a soft spot for Somaliweyn.

2- since the second largest clan in SL is Gedabursi, any Gedabursi with an ounce of logic will rather support SL then be made a house wive of Hawiye and Daarood duopoly. This worked and Gedabursi is now an ardent Somaliland. They saw the light Isaaq seen in the 1960.

3- A decentralized Somalia with clan power sharing formula and clan federal state and a government that has no say beyond Mogadishu , can't face Somaliland economically or militarily, Somaliland is deeply centralized cohesive state.

It worked perfectly , the Daarood created frankstein ended up consuming its very creator. Further existential problems will face Somalia. Once Farmaajo term is finished a one man one vote will be implemented, clan based parties and numerous collations will be formed and eventually the Daarood will loose in that musical chair dance. Imagine if a Hawiye president with Dir or Raxanweyn prime minister emerges? Do you think Adali and voltage and big booty OD will preach the fraudulent creed of Somalia unity? I doubt it.

The future looks grim for Somalia, no problem is facing Somaliland other then some dormant Isaaq division and that should be addressed by the Jeegaanta alliance by the next election. Other then that I see no future existential threat to SL .

[Adali]

a good trade off is that Somalia will become a single country itself with help from SL etc as long as Somalia doesn't delude itself by dreaming of unity with Djibouti or somaliland

bari nugaal and undivided mudug are integral parts of Somalia since before the Italian colonisers arrived hence they shall never separate from Somalia. colonial borders are sacrosanct

kablalax ruling Somalia is a threat to Somalia itself as well as its neighbours such as Somaliland

The PL administration is waging war against SL and have done so for many years, they are using 3 fronts.
1. destabilizing SL from within using clan federalism which is why you have states like Awdal, Saxil, SSC, Makhiir, Khatumo etc operating within SL and outside in the diaspora.
2. directly claiming Sool and Sanaag as part of PL which they have attempted to annex several times.
3. Using their influence in Mogadishu as well as in the IC to block SL foreign policy, investments and recognition seeking.


When you are asking us to recognize SL as an independent state, we simply cannot at the moment as you have already stated, Federalism has already made that impossible,but we are dealing with that at the moment. but from your corner, you must fulfill certain criteria.
1. Stop neglecting Eastern Somaliland both politically and economically.
2. Secure the borders and deal with enemy state PL directly by invasion.
3. Normalize relations with Mogadishu by ending the toxic attitude of the civil war era.

Recognizing SL goes against our core madhab of Somaliweyn, but we are happy to do things that will benefit Ethno Somalis and our interest, as we know today SL has an administration that we are willing to work with, hence why Farmaajo is pro-negotiations when he could have just as easily avoided it in his term, this shows you he is interested in further developing ties and cooperation.

[Sauron]

The Daarood in their effort to preempt the Isaaq created the first monster in Djibouti Carte conference in 2000. The aim of the Daarood as it was in the 1960s is always to push and advocate for clan based power sharing.

They are adamant on that formula because deep inside beyond their theatrical faan they know that Isaaq and Hawiye outnumber them in the Somali republic. They pushed thus formula in 1960 using their Negro in law Aadan Cade and the big booty MJ wive ina muuse Mataan . This was the first cancer tumor on Somaliweyn dream. The Isaaq were pushing for two state power sharing irrespective to clan. Needless to say the Daarood ina Mataan Muuse group won the Hawiye support and the new Somali republic power sharing was based on clan. They further campaigned to convince Dameer Aadan Cade that the clan power sharing should be between Daarood and none-Daarood. None Daarood president the position or prime minister is Daarood, head of the army none Daarood seconded by Afweyne a Daarood and so forth. The Hawiye took the bait and the rest was disaster, the Isaaq in the 60s use to joke Aadan Cade will come in the morning to meet Isaaq limping from the waist from a long night grinding session with his big booty Daarood wive riding him while she is giving him all the orders from her Daarood. He was nicknamed. inan la yaalka daarood.

In Carte they essentially engineered the same feat, they formed 4.5 formula but with a one noticeable difference. They promoted Raxanweyn as a full clan ( to use against Hawiye) and convinced Hawiye and Dir to amalgamate Isaaq within Dir to reduce Isaaq vote and power in any future government. So a miracle took place which is Isaaq a clan that larger then Daarood and Raxanweyn was reduced to mere 22 mps less mps then the miinorties or so called the point five who has 35 mps vs the Isaaq 22 or 23. The southern Somalis always decry and bemoan how the 4.5 are not fair to the minorities reducing them to half people with 35 mps, but the irony they would tell you with straight face yes 23 mps is fair to Isaaq. If debated and confronted them as into the hows, they will shrug it off and giggle.

Now the second phase was to created federalism and make the condition for federalism the 2 and half province which exactly what puntland us made off, known well that most clans share every provinces with twice as much population of puntland. Again the thick knuckle head hawiye swallowed it.

Again the Daarood continued and convinced Hawiye to share the loot and have a clan rotating presidency and prime minister monopoly, the Hawiye again took it up the ass.

Somaliland politicians were watching, they knew who is behind the plot , but after long observation they found it in their own interest.

1- This will teach a lesson to any Isaaq who has a soft spot for Somaliweyn.

2- since the second largest clan in SL is Gedabursi, any Gedabursi with an ounce of logic will rather support SL then be made a house wive of Hawiye and Daarood duopoly. This worked and Gedabursi is now an ardent Somaliland. They saw the light Isaaq seen in the 1960.

3- A decentralized Somalia with clan power sharing formula and clan federal state and a government that has no say beyond Mogadishu , can't face Somaliland economically or militarily, Somaliland is deeply centralized cohesive state.

It worked perfectly , the Daarood created frankstein ended up consuming its very creator. Further existential problems will face Somalia. Once Farmaajo term is finished a one man one vote will be implemented, clan based parties and numerous collations will be formed and eventually the Daarood will loose in that musical chair dance. Imagine if a Hawiye president with Dir or Raxanweyn prime minister emerges? Do you think Adali and voltage and big booty OD will preach the fraudulent creed of Somalia unity? I doubt it.

The future looks grim for Somalia, no problem is facing Somaliland other then some dormant Isaaq division and that should be addressed by the Jeegaanta alliance by the next election. Other then that I see no future existential threat to SL .

one thing that baffles me is Hawiye was/is falling for this bs? it absolutely doesn't make any sense in anyway you look at it. they could totally rule the south with iron fist but no. smh

[theyuusuf143]

As Dr X said federalism is our preferred formula for Somalia. Why ? Because it's good for us to deal with them separately. W can easily take on puntland while the rest are watching, we can humiliate the SFG and puntland would just laugh at them. I mean there is no teamwork chemistry between somalia federal States.

Somaliland is very centralized the guy from saylac and the one from sool are fighting side by side .

[X.Playa]

As Dr X said federalism is our preferred formula for Somalia. Why ? Because it's good for us to deal with them separately. When can easily easily take on puntland while the rest are watching, we can humiliate the SFG and puntland would just laugh at them. I meant there is no teamwork chemistry between somalia federal States.

Somaliland is very centralized the guy from saylac and the one from sool are fighting side by side .

I doubt the bitch from soul is fighting what we are fighting. Xoogaa muxubada la fadhiiso will soo korayaad tahay.

[X.Playa]

The Daarood in their effort to preempt the Isaaq created the first monster in Djibouti Carte conference in 2000. The aim of the Daarood as it was in the 1960s is always to push and advocate for clan based power sharing.

They are adamant on that formula because deep inside beyond their theatrical faan they know that Isaaq and Hawiye outnumber them in the Somali republic. They pushed thus formula in 1960 using their Negro in law Aadan Cade and the big booty MJ wive ina muuse Mataan . This was the first cancer tumor on Somaliweyn dream. The Isaaq were pushing for two state power sharing irrespective to clan. Needless to say the Daarood ina Mataan Muuse group won the Hawiye support and the new Somali republic power sharing was based on clan. They further campaigned to convince Dameer Aadan Cade that the clan power sharing should be between Daarood and none-Daarood. None Daarood president the position or prime minister is Daarood, head of the army none Daarood seconded by Afweyne a Daarood and so forth. The Hawiye took the bait and the rest was disaster, the Isaaq in the 60s use to joke Aadan Cade will come in the morning to meet Isaaq limping from the waist from a long night grinding session with his big booty Daarood wive riding him while she is giving him all the orders from her Daarood. He was nicknamed. inan la yaalka daarood.

In Carte they essentially engineered the same feat, they formed 4.5 formula but with a one noticeable difference. They promoted Raxanweyn as a full clan ( to use against Hawiye) and convinced Hawiye and Dir to amalgamate Isaaq within Dir to reduce Isaaq vote and power in any future government. So a miracle took place which is Isaaq a clan that larger then Daarood and Raxanweyn was reduced to mere 22 mps less mps then the miinorties or so called the point five who has 35 mps vs the Isaaq 22 or 23. The southern Somalis always decry and bemoan how the 4.5 are not fair to the minorities reducing them to half people with 35 mps, but the irony they would tell you with straight face yes 23 mps is fair to Isaaq. If debated and confronted them as into the hows, they will shrug it off and giggle.

Now the second phase was to created federalism and make the condition for federalism the 2 and half province which exactly what puntland us made off, known well that most clans share every provinces with twice as much population of puntland. Again the thick knuckle head hawiye swallowed it.

Again the Daarood continued and convinced Hawiye to share the loot and have a clan rotating presidency and prime minister monopoly, the Hawiye again took it up the ass.

Somaliland politicians were watching, they knew who is behind the plot , but after long observation they found it in their own interest.

1- This will teach a lesson to any Isaaq who has a soft spot for Somaliweyn.

2- since the second largest clan in SL is Gedabursi, any Gedabursi with an ounce of logic will rather support SL then be made a house wive of Hawiye and Daarood duopoly. This worked and Gedabursi is now an ardent Somaliland. They saw the light Isaaq seen in the 1960.

3- A decentralized Somalia with clan power sharing formula and clan federal state and a government that has no say beyond Mogadishu , can't face Somaliland economically or militarily, Somaliland is deeply centralized cohesive state.

It worked perfectly , the Daarood created frankstein ended up consuming its very creator. Further existential problems will face Somalia. Once Farmaajo term is finished a one man one vote will be implemented, clan based parties and numerous collations will be formed and eventually the Daarood will loose in that musical chair dance. Imagine if a Hawiye president with Dir or Raxanweyn prime minister emerges? Do you think Adali and voltage and big booty OD will preach the fraudulent creed of Somalia unity? I doubt it.

The future looks grim for Somalia, no problem is facing Somaliland other then some dormant Isaaq division and that should be addressed by the Jeegaanta alliance by the next election. Other then that I see no future existential threat to SL .

one thing that baffles me is Hawiye was/is falling for this bs? it absolutely doesn't make any sense in anyway you look at it. they could totally rule the south with iron fist but no. smh

Hawiye are useless lots. Anigu waan la yaabaa Isaaq kuwaas soo dhawaysta.

[theyuusuf143]

As Dr X said federalism is our preferred formula for Somalia. Why ? Because it's good for us to deal with them separately. When can easily easily take on puntland while the rest are watching, we can humiliate the SFG and puntland would just laugh at them. I meant there is no teamwork chemistry between somalia federal States.

Somaliland is very centralized the guy from saylac and the one from sool are fighting side by side .

I doubt the bitch from soul is fighting what we are fighting. Xoogaa muxubada la fadhiiso will soo korayaad tahay.

Somaliland army take orders from one commander. No matter if you hate dhuloos or not you can be deployed to the same frontline with them and you will die together. This is national matter we are not talking about clan feud. More dhuloos die in the line of duty every year than you can ever imagine.

[X.Playa]

As Dr X said federalism is our preferred formula for Somalia. Why ? Because it's good for us to deal with them separately. When can easily easily take on puntland while the rest are watching, we can humiliate the SFG and puntland would just laugh at them. I meant there is no teamwork chemistry between somalia federal States.

Somaliland is very centralized the guy from saylac and the one from sool are fighting side by side .

I doubt the bitch from soul is fighting what we are fighting. Xoogaa muxubada la fadhiiso will soo korayaad tahay.

Somaliland army take orders from one commander. No matter if you hate dhuloos or not you can be deployed to the same frontline with them and you will die together. This is national matter we are not talking about clan feud. More dhuloos die in the line of duty every year than you can ever imagine.

I don't think you know what you are talking about, as typical qaad head you are full of love and emotion. There is no love between Daarood and Isaaq these few dhulbahante in SL army are double agent, they will suck our ceeb for because they are powerless and humiliated and defeated. But as soon as they see a glimmer of hope they will shoot you in the back.

Adeer muxubada la fadhiiso awowgaa bar 1960 ku jabaye. Qaadkana iska daa ragu waa ku xafashaane or you will end up looking like the Ciidagale sultan

[Adali]

As Dr X said federalism is our preferred formula for Somalia. Why ? Because it's good for us to deal with them separately. W can easily take on puntland while the rest are watching, we can humiliate the SFG and puntland would just laugh at them. I mean there is no teamwork chemistry between somalia federal States.

Somaliland is very centralized the guy from saylac and the one from sool are fighting side by side .

this is civil war mentality, it has no chance against nabadiyonolol, we can defeat both clan federalism and civil war cuqdadlows who wish to see Mogadishu burning with our nabadiyonolol.

By the way you are lying, SL is extremely divided, yet you are spewing civl war nonsense, we are in 2018, the baby born in 1992 is now a grown man.

[Ben Dover]

Indeed Hawiye have a track record of blindly following politics that are beneficial to darod to the detriment of Hawiye themselves. It makes no sense whatsoever.

I can understand why doofaar ismaacil would oppose Somaliland, we share a long border and have historically taken their land, had bitter rivalries...etc, but we share little overlap with Hawiye, it makes no sense why they would be opposed to the independence of Somaliland.

We would actually be doing them a massive favour. Hawiye is already the largest clan in Somalia Italiana, by Isaaq dragging their Harti out of the political landscape of the South, Hawiye will completely dominate over MJ and the smaller darods such as boon marehan, dashishe, leelkase..etc. It is a no brainer.

With the recent developments and Somaliland getting such international exposure/presence, the darods are panicking, and rightly so. They are minorities in Somaliland, and once Somaliland gains de jure independence they will be minorities in Somalia too.

The new political landscape thus becomes:

Somaliland: Dominated by Isaaq and Dir (Ciise, Samaroon).
Minorities: Dhulbahante, Warsangeli, Madhiban...etc

Somalia: Dominated by Hawiye and Raxanweyn, one can include Southern Dir here as well.
Minorities: MJ, Leelkase, dashishe, Reer Xamar, Somali Bantu...etc

The sooner Hawiye wake up from MJ sixir the better for all of us.

[theyuusuf143]

I doubt the bitch from soul is fighting what we are fighting. Xoogaa muxubada la fadhiiso will soo korayaad tahay.

Somaliland army take orders from one commander. No matter if you hate dhuloos or not you can be deployed to the same frontline with them and you will die together. This is national matter we are not talking about clan feud. More dhuloos die in the line of duty every year than you can ever imagine.

I don't think you know what you are talking about, as typical qaad head you are full of love and emotion. There is no love between Daarood and Isaaq these few dhulbahante in SL army are double agent, they will suck our ceeb for because they are powerless and humiliated and defeated. But as soon as they see a glimmer of hope they will shoot you in the back.

Adeer muxubada la fadhiiso awowgaa bar 1960 ku jabaye. Qaadkana iska daa ragu waa ku xafashaane or you will end up looking like the Ciidagale sultan

Actually you are the emotional one who can't separate isaqism and Somaliland natiolism. natiolism is a created product Somaliland have thousands of dhuloos fighting force , hundreds already died in Somaliland fronlines against their own while you were talking rubbish from your comfort in Canada. Imagine if you are tasked to to fight against your own cousins. This is not easy as you think there are many challenges.

I believe in Somaliland natiolism and I know how it works .