Why Somaliland will remain in current State of Udub

[laander8]

It's interesting to notice how HJ both in Hargeisa and on SNET dont wanna admit there is a big elephant in the political room which is yet to committ one way or another.
They pull their weight behind wherever the interest of the clan lies.
Often in the very last seconds of the elections.

Everybody are familiar with both Habar Yonis and Habar Jeclo
they're feudings are centuries old.
What do YOU really know about the last major Habar of the Isaaqs....

Did you now they control the Somaliland currency and the berbera port?
lets have a discussion of those of us who obviously acknowledge the presence of the elephant.

Siilaanyo might think he can rely on them because Habar Jeclo intervened last time, so ' its ' about time them dear friends reward back by giving him the presidency.
The politics of Somaliland are getting more advanced , a simple clan strategy won't get you anywhere today.
Learn from the House of Elders 2009, sure you can think they got a small bribe each...but as usual you lot fail to see the bigger picture, UDUB showed up with a chess-----mate , and you my friend dont really have a proof if those senators where really bribed with ' pennies ' ( 10 k )

Siilaanyo is a naive man , he believes he can rule Somaliland from his villa in Jigjigayar
The bigger foxes that outsmarted the little fox
I honestly believe the man is lacking something seriously for being beaten so badly by a mere kid ( Riyaale ) and his companions of ministers like foreign affairs ( HJ ) and others like VP Yaasin

Can someone check up his Somali National Movement CV , what did he really accomplish as commander in chief back then.

[Cumar-Labasuul]

Listen here the fact of the matter here is that a few old greedy men do not represent the whole of Habar Awal. Habar Awal wouldn't want anything more than to get rid of riyaale, however they didn't vote so therefore this Habar Awal conspiracy is pure rubbish. The Habar Awal guurti are greedy old men who were bribed to vote for riyaale, the same goes for the other small Isaaq clans. End of the day when it comes to down to it money makes decisions.

[GENERAL_SNM]

HA have eaten well from the Somaliland cake and HJ haven't done badly either, so whether Silanyo wins or not it doesn't mean every HJ men or women will benefit. Silanyo is an individual who is HJ just like indh deero, we will support our boy to the best of our ability and if his been wrong done then its our job to correct that wrong. But once in office he would work towards benefiting all the people of somaliland and not just HJ as assumed by some. The people of bari region would benefit alot to have one of their own in office because maybe then investment and development might reach these regions that Riyaale neglected. Thats why the Hartis voted for him, and its the reason why HY should have voted for him. Who needs who more does HY need Silanyo in office or does Silannyo need HY to get the office. HY gains nothing from Riyaale and it prevents Silanyo from office so if he wins they gain nothing. What is the logic behind the HY madness....When do they benefit..under Riyaale? no, under Silanyo? no.
They are committing political suicide...

[laander8]

my dear audience lets the study the case above me ^

General_SNM does not acknowledge the fact that 44 % of combined Garxajis voted NO
if 50 or 60 % voted NO it would not matter because Habar Awal threw in 8 of 9 senators to vote YES for extention even though their whole clan supposedly supports Kulmiye.

My case above talks about progress and benefits, yet he believes HY is the one holding Riyaale in office.
Mind you HY has no men of importance in this current goverment , Cawil , Sulub are both political dwarfs compared to the past leaders, Waran Cadde is a potential but also he is a ' newcomer ' and he seems to have problems reaching out to HY in Togdheer and Bari regions , himself being an western HY .

In this very elections Faisal Ali Waraabe is rallying both Guyobe and HY in 4 of 5 gobols they reside.
UCID will take a big chunk of of what was otherwise secure Udub votes.
This is something Udub really can't afford.

HJ is having problems with Muse Abokr

Habar Awal knows all this sh!t ... sure you can argue they dont fight , iyo marka raggaa Habar Awal is dagaalamaan barkimooyin ayey isla dhacaan

Still this is the most lethal Habar of the 3

[GENERAL_SNM]

Landheer you've missed my point completely. What I want to know is if HA gain from a Riyaale victory, and they gain from a Kulmiye Victory, HJ gains from a Kulmiye victory. Under what circumstance does HY gain. You see I dont hate another man for looking out for his interest (HA), I only wish (HY) would do the same instead of trying to undermine another (HJ).
I can gurantee you HA would never fight for Riyaale, its not in their interest. Can the same be said about you even though its not in your interest.......

Sh!t let me make it more simpler. What is HY's interest?
We have gathered HA is the current division......

[Cumar-Labasuul]

General SNM, The HY only voted against siiraanyo out of spite for HJ that one is obvious; HA voted for riyaale because they were unsure of siiraanyo's motives, whether he wants to join sheih shariff's govt or not. HA are worried because they feel if somaliland unites with somalia they will lose out the most - as they hold the businesses in hargeisa and control the port of berbera. They also voted for riyaale due to getting a visit from benjamin franklin.
HJ voted against riyaale because they believe siiraanyo will represent them well with him being HJ; Harti voted against riyaale because they dont feel apart of somaliland and believe that siiraanyo believes in somaliweyn, whereas with riyaale they will get annexed more and more into somaliland; The rest voted for riyaale either because the are related to him by clan or they were bribed also.

[laander8]

The motive of HY is smaller then the continued interest and corruption of HA.

Since its so close I think the smaller Isaaqs Arap , Ayoub , Toljeclo and even Akishe and Gabooye might tip the balance.
If your old man keeps focusing on just Habar Awal they will slap him in the face and vote status quo which is Udubs Somaliland the legacy of Egals HA manifesto, which is the current state Habar Awal is thriving so well in.

They dont have the biggest millionaires, both Garxajis and Habar Jeclo got more big shots and livestock.
even this new Air Company Suhura Airways which is already filling up the vacuum left by Ethiopia Airways is Ciidagale owned.

So what does Habar Awal really have which makes them doubt about Siilaanyo?
Currently they are strangling all other Isaaq livestock export from Berbera and the taxes of the country...
its all the little things we dont notice, like the new money that was recently printed , the port revenues. oil and gasoline import tax revenues

blame Riyaale if you want, but he is only a puppet.

Someone is actually happy about how Somaliland is today , either you HJ's should be manly enough to admit you are in a direct political conflict with this elephant and start a new strategy from there its six months left now.
Dont be stupid like last time and offer same ministerial posts to different men cause this foxes will find out!

Or you can continue the blame game and believe its Habar Yonis thats in the way.
When these guys are dividing their numerical into two partys,how can you call that a smart calculated move ' if ' their number one goal is to prevent HJ from ever winning the elections.

I would say you guys are fighting politically like 60 % of HY and 90 % of Habar Awal!

Wake up dont let them backstab you one more time, because next time is the elections.
The real question is what will be the new strategy of Kulmiye/HJ
Can they rely on the same horse? which did not win neither presidential or parliamentarian elections for them.

[GENERAL_SNM]

CAN YOU PLEASE TELL US ABOUT HY, AND NOT HA.....

[The_Emperior5]

habarawal created udub laakin udub Daahir rayaale ku xaaray. oo wasakheye so only silanyp oo kulmiye qabto ayaa hagaajiin karra udub markaasay wax hagaagii karta

danta somaliland waxay ku jirta ina udub meesha laga qaado. taasaaanu wax ku badbadii karran waleh/

[The_Emperior5]

CAN YOU PLEASE TELL US ABOUT HY, AND NOT HA.....

habaryoonis they will do everthing to stop hj from xukunka fiikir kale ma aminsana thats all its just xiin iyo xaasiidnimo wax kalle maha and it just dates back when hj chosen cigaal side in 1994. thats all wax kale maha bal hy maxay ku tageeren ina rayaale maad noo sheegii karta wa waxba just ryaale ka hor gee silanyo thats all

[Goljano Lion]

CAN YOU PLEASE TELL US ABOUT HY, AND NOT HA.....

this is an excellent question, let us assume the things you have said about H-Awal are right, then how come you don't support Siilanyo , like General SNM said, its reer bari who benefit the most Sii-lanyo,s victory. R you trying to organize a cyber war between H-awal and H-jeclo ehehe

[MrPrestige]

General SNM aint your mom habar yonis why dont you ask her or your abtiyals

[Goljano Lion]

General SNM aint your mom habar yonis why dont you ask her or your abtiyals

what do H-yonis want? ma waxa weeyi, anyone but not sii-laanyo

[MrPrestige]

General SNM aint your mom habar yonis why dont you ask her or your abtiyals

what do H-yonis want? ma waxa weeyi, anyone but not sii-laanyo

seriously i am habar yonis and i have nothing against siilanyo he seems a good guy but this GEN SNM when habar jeclo cant get what they want they always think its habar yonis who let them down all their boogeyman and nightmares seem to be about habar yonis

[Goljano Lion]

General SNM aint your mom habar yonis why dont you ask her or your abtiyals

what do H-yonis want? ma waxa weeyi, anyone but not sii-laanyo

seriously i am habar yonis and i have nothing against siilanyo he seems a good guy but this GEN SNM when habar jeclo cant get what they want they always think its habar yonis who let them down all their boogeyman and nightmares seem to be about habar yonis

on a serious note, what would happen if siilaanyo proclaims a government in Burco?