Multi Party Proposal - Blocked Selfishly

[Ceelafweyn]

Saddexda Xisbi Qaran oo Isku bahaystay inaan la Furan Ururada Siyaasadda iyo Dareenka ka dhashay
“Haddii aanu KULMIYE nahay waxyaabihii aanu Dadka u sheegaynay waxa kamid ahaa inaanu ogolaanayno Furashada ururadii siyaadda haddii aanu Doorashada ku Guuleysano” Baashe Gaboobe

Hargeysa (Waaheen) -Saddexda Xisbi Qaran ayaa shalay sheegay inaanay xiligan munaasib ahayn Furashada Ururrada siyaasaddu. sidaana waxay ka sheegeen dood lagu falanqeynayay furashada ururada siyaasada, oo shalay lagu qabtay Huteelka Maansoor ee magaalada Hargeysa, waxaana doodaasi soo agaasimay Akaadamiga Nabadda iyo Horumarinta Somaliland iyo Machadka Cilmi baadhista iyo horumarinta.

Waxa ugu horayn madashaasi lagu daawaday oo lagu soo bandhigay Filim dukumantari ah oo laga soo diyaariyay aragtida dadweynaha Somaliland ka qabaan in loo galo doorashooyinka soo socda Ugu horeyn waxaa halkaa lagu daawaday Filin ka tarjumayey aragtida dadeynaha ee ku wajan qaabka loogalayo Doorashooyinka soo socda iyo waxay kaga duwanaan karaan afartii doorasho ee aynu soo galnay.

Guddoomiyaha Komishanka Doorashooyinka Somaliland Md. Ciise Xaaji Maxamed Xamari oo ka ka hadlay doodaasi ayaa sheegay inaanay iyagu ka qeyb galayn doodan, maadaama oo ay yihiin garsooreyaal dhexdhexaadinaya xisbiyada doorashooyinka Gudoomiye Ku Xigeenka Xisbiga mucaaradka ah ee UDUB ahna Ku simaha Gudoomiyaha xisbigaasi Md. Axmed Yuusuf Yaasiin, oo doodaasi ka hadlay ayaa sheegay inaanay daruuri ahayn isla markaana aanay wacyiga Somaliland la jaan qaadi karin in xiligan la fasaxo furashada ururada siyaasada.

Sidoo kale, waxa isaguna si weyn uga biyo diiday in la furo ururada Siyaasada Xoghayaha guud ee xisbiga KULMIYE. Md. Kayse Xasan Cigge, waxaanu sheegay inaanay sharci ahayn in la fasaxo furashada ururada siyaasada. Xoghayaha Guud ee xisbiga UCID Md. Muuse X. Maxamed Guulleed (Muuse Inji) oo ka hadlay doodaasi ayaa xisbiyada kale ku raacay inaanay haboonayn furashada ururada siyaasada.

Guddoomiyihii olalaha doorashadii madaxtooyada ee xisbiga Tallada haya ee KULMIYE Baashe Cabdi Gaboobe, oo halkaasi ka hadlay ayaa inta uu kor u qaaday barnaamij siyaasadeedkii xisbiga KULMIYE u soo bandhigay ummadda wuxuu yidhi “Anigu waxaan ahaa Gudoomiyihii Gobalada galbeedka ee tartankii olalihii doorashadii Madaxtooyada ee la soo dhaafay haddii aanu KULMIYE nahayna waxyaabihii aanu dadka u sheegaynay waxa kamid ahaa inaanu ogolaanayno inay dadku dib u furan doonaan ururadii siyaadda haddii ay codkooda nasiiyaan oo aanu doorashada ku guuleysano Xogyaha Xisbiga Kumiye-na waxaan leeyahay dib ugu noqo Barnaamijkii Xisbiga Kulmiye” Guddoomiyihii hore siyaasada ee xisbiga UDUB Cumar Jaamac Faarax, oo halkaasi ka hadlay ayaa xisbiyada ku dhaliilay furfurnaan la’aan waxaanu ku tilmaamay kuwo aan la iska dhex sharaxi kar, isagoo arrintaasi ka hadlayayna wuxuu yidhi “Horta waxaa fiican inaan marka hore is waydiino waar Xibiyadu iyaga qudhoodu Dimuqiraadi ma yihiin oo dhexdooda ma laga tartami karaa oo wixii la doono ma laga odhankaraa mise waxay u xidhanyihiin dad gaara.”

Gar yaqaan Aadan Xaaji Cali oo isna halkaa ka hadlay ayaa sheegay in loo baahan yahay in dib u habayn iyo fasiraadba lagu sameeyo Qodobada 14-aad iyo 9-aad ee xeerka doorashooyinka Somaliland oo saldhig u ah muranka siyaasadeed ee la xidhiidha arrimaga doorashooyinka iyo in dib loo furan karayo ururadii siyaasada. Sheekh Maxamed Xaaji Maxamuud Xiiray, oo ka hadlay doodaasi ayaa sheegay inay lagama maarmaan tahay in la fasaxo furashada ururada Siyaasada, waxaanu sadexda xisbi qaranba ku sifeeyay kuwo rag koobani xuurtaysteen oo ay ka dhigteen wax ay jeebka ku haystaan.

“Waxaan qabaa in dadka loo ogolaado inay furtaan ururadii Siyaasadda waayo kuwan hadda joogaa waxay ka dhigteen meel ay iyagu iska leeyihii, adeer adiga waxaan ku waydiinayaa sideebaad gudoomiye nimada uga qaadikartaa Faysal Caliwaraabe waakan ku dhagan ee laga fujin layahaye,”ayuu yidhi Sheekh Maxamed Xaaji Maxamuud Xiiray.

Marwo Shukri Xaaji Ismaaciil Boondare, oo ka socotay ururada bulshada ayaa sheegtay inay danaynayso in la fasaxo furashada ururada siyaasada, si kor loogu qaado hanaanka dimuqraadiyada dalka.

Siyaasiga Maxamuud Cabdullaahi Sifir oo halkaa ka hadya aya isna sheegay isku duubidda baahsanaanii 3 Xisbi qaran ee ay ka hor istaagan yihiin muwaadiniinta kale inay furtaan ururadii Siyaasadu inay lamid tahay sida 5 Dawladadood ee had iyo jeerba hor fadhiya golaha Qaramada Midoobay (Fito powerka) oo ay iyaga oo kalioya ahi ku amar ku taag leeyaan, Mr Sifir oo arimahaa ka hadlayaana waxa uu yidhi “golaha Qaramdaa Midoobay waxaa had iyo jeer ka dhacda inay hor fadhiyaan waxa 5 Dawladood ee waaweyn ee loo yaqaano B5 tana waxay ila tahay inay sidii oo kale tahay”

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Is this undemocractic move? or is it creating stability within our decomcarcy, what are your views?

Salams

[juzme123]

Is this undemocractic move? or is it creating stability within our decomcarcy, what are your views?

I don't think there is anything undemocratic about having a (limited) number of political parties. I mean the US has only two after all. And in the context of our country and region it is important to have some control and to reduce the risk of instability. Over time as the politicians in each party change, so will the policies and views they advocate. Because there are three parties there will still be an opposition. In addition the public and media must take an active role in challanging and keeping the parties and politicians in check.

If anything I think that the media has a huge potential in creating instability and endangering democracy.

[Khalid Ali]

This is good news sl does not need more political parties. I support this

[DatBreh]

During the course of the 1960s, Somalia saw not only regional, but growing internal conflict. Rivalries between clans saw the fragmentation of political parties into smaller and smaller units. By the late 1960s, there were over 60 political parties in the country.

Learning from mistakes

Three is enough.

[Cumar-Labasuul]

This is good news sl does not need more political parties. I support this

We need to make each of the three parties of SL (Kulmiye, UDUB & UCID) appeal to all clans, otherwise each party will only be associated with one clan i.e. UCID = Ciidagale, Kulmiye = HJ.

[Siciid85]

In order to maintain the three existing parties without having to create ones what needs to happen is each party needs to have mini primary election. Whomever is nominated by each party can then lead the party during an election year and party candidate election needs to happen each time during an election from thereon. There are many young and fresh faces that do want to have to prove themselves to be worthy of the excutive office however are unable to because of the the way our political party system is designed. We need fresh faces and new ideas not recycled old faces again and again..

[Ceelafweyn]

Interesting comments thus far, although, the argument edges towards maintaining status qou!

The argument seems to hinch on the fact that the three current parties have supports on certain areas, or tribe claims to own a party! I think we are easily getting away from this with KULMIYE and UDUB, not sure about UCID though, but the signs are not promising!

Some of you echoed 'Primaries style such as in North America, I think this would be great and i support this notion my only reservation is that it is quite costy exercise.

There are number of others with the few of giving an opportunity to young pretenders to the crown? now how do we strike a good balance? getting good blend of young politicians and old school politicians who have so far dominated the proceedings?

Would this be lobby hard within the current parties for fair deal?

Would it be pushing for another party making it four parties? with ofcourse women also included.

Or simpley do we let the situation as it is , wait and watch tactics?

Let us analayise the region's politics and discuss the affects or the impacts of those question above?

[juzme123]

Yes I do think that we need an overhaul of the structures of the political parties and the framework in which they operate. Perhaps this could be done through legislation to ensure that:

- Each party has a clear, standardised and transparenent [organisational] structure (positions within party, duration of tenure, how positions are filled]
- The party and government are seperated
- Parties are democratic themselves (in how the main actors and policies/manifesto are chosen)
- Parties disclose where their funding originated from
- Political parties need to have membership (from the general public; also to allow for a nurturing and picking of intelligent and talented [young] individuals)
- Women and politically marginalised groups are included (in each party, rather than a new party fro these groups)
- To ensure that [the existance of] each party is a seperate legal and political entity from its leadersip, but rather synchronised with the public

I don't particularly see a case for a fourth party or how this would be any different from three parties.

This would create more stable, transparent and mature political landscape and political parties by ensuring that the political parties are 'publicly owned', so to speak; for the public by the public rather than the power tools of individual(s) (or) groups. The intention of these reforms would be to:

- Cement democracy into the nation
- To make three parties (owned by the public) enshirined by law - yet seperate from its leadership
- To create a stable political landscape with oppertunities for aspiring politicians whilst decreasing uncertainty and risk of unstability

[Khalid Ali]

This is good news sl does not need more political parties. I support this

We need to make each of the three parties of SL (Kulmiye, UDUB & UCID) appeal to all clans, otherwise each party will only be associated with one clan i.e. UCID = Ciidagale, Kulmiye = HJ.

That. Is true but i dont see how. New party will strenghten the somalilanders the less political parties the better. Chairmans will always be assiociated with clan but now things are good now every group of sl is represented in all three. Political parties lets keep it that way historically sl. Had only three political parties

[juzme123]

Another topic and question I wanted to present was:

To what extent is power decentrilised in Somaliland? The reason being that the main reason for the (eventual) fall of Somalia was the centrilisation of power which weakended the security of the nation by making it easy for those willing to destabilise the country. All noe needed to do was cut the off the head and the snake dies; Siad Barre was ousted and the country was like a headless chicken. There were no viable non-militant political (opposition) parties or institutions wiht the ability, power, knowledge or recognition to even temporarily take control of the country or create a new government. There was no political framework that allowed the reconstuction of (some) government. The main faults being that:

- The army was too much at one with the government
- All power was concentrated in the revolutionary council and later the President

This was somewhat of a paradox - by concentrating power he intended to reduce instability and though he did achieve this (in the short term) he decreased this in the long term.

Therfore we need to institutionalise Somaliland's (three) political parties and make them Somaliland's National Three parties to make them public entities so that:

- They keep guard of the country
- And the (people of the) country keep a guard of them

In adition we need to plan for all eventualities and ensure that:

- There are viable non-militant political (opposition) parties or institutions with the ability, power, knowledge or recognition to even temporarily take control of the country or create a new government.
- With the (legal) responsibility to temporarily take control of the country or facilitate the creation of a new government.
- To keep in check opposition groups and parties and the military as well.
- All of the above to ensure long stability in any event to protect the people.

So my question is to what extent is power currently decentrilised in Somaliland?
who would be reponsible/able to restore government in an extreme eventuality (e.g. coup (lool), unrest by opposition etc)

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

Simple; too many parties = too much confusion. Unless they are thinking about making a Somaliland Green Party, it's all stuff and nonsense.

[MujahidAishah]

Maybe one more party would be ok but any thing more then that is not good as they every sub clan would have a party and it would cause too much confusion.

[juzme123]

Maybe one more party would be ok but any thing more then that is not good as they every sub clan would have a party and it would cause too much confusion.

One more party for what walaal? And won't that just get the ball rolling in that if you allow one more party another group will want one more party and...

[Ceelafweyn]

Another topic and question I wanted to present was:

So my question is to what extent is power currently decentrilised in Somaliland?
who would be reponsible/able to restore government in an extreme eventuality (e.g. coup (lool), unrest by opposition etc)

Sadely, as it stands our goverment acts like centralised body for instance every individual who wants to obtain a passport must travel to the capital. However, on paper local goverments elects thier mayor, vice-mayor etc, but in reality local goverment officials are influenced by party political agenda at the central (capital) and tend to be consequently weak both locally and centrally.

The ideal decentralisation model where each ministry would have a departments in local regions has not happened or if it did it tends to be weak and usually the bulk of workers are based in the capital. Having said that ofcourse one overriding factor to consider is cost of maintaining these offices, therefore creats weak institutions locally.

In terms of check and balance, our model of governance is designed in a such a way that coup d'etate can not take place. We have the house of lords, parliament and judicial system all operating in a way to prevent such scenerio(god forbid it happens). On the other hand the masses are responsive and act like a preventative mechanism, where they can do an uprise and do the country a justice.

Finally, of the reason why we have not rushed into grading our armed forces is ofcourse to make sure that we are strong enough nation and coupe can not take place.

[MujahidAishah]

make the number more even to 4 parties