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SSC releases a Somaliland solider because hes Habar Awal

Postby AsadSL » Sat Feb 19, 2011 4:44 am

SSC waxay go'aansatay iney sii deyso maxbuuskii aan qabiilkiisa iyo Dhulbahante dhibaato hore ka dhaxayn.

Maxaabiistii Ciidamada Somaliland ee la qab qabtay dagaalkii kalshaale oo qaar ka mida la sii daayey. Maxaabiistan oo loo eegay qabiiladooda iyadoo ninkii aan qabiilkiisu dhibaato hore ka dhaxayn beesha dhulbahante la sii danayo. Iyadoo go'aankan ay ogolaadeen dhamaan odayaasha, saraakiisha ciidamada, iyo dadka deegaanka oo dhan. Maxbuuskii ugu horeeyey ee la sii daayey ayaa noqday KAYSE BULAALE oo ka soo jeeda beesha HABAR AWAL iyadoo la sheegay in aan wax dhibaato ah oo hore ka dhex dhicin beesha dhulbahante iyo beesha Habar awal sidaa awgeed la siidaayey kayse. Maxaabiista ka soo jeeda beelaha Habar jeclo, Habar Yonis, Arab iyo Ciidagale ayaan wali lasyla meel dhigin waxa laga yeelayo.

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Re: SSC releases a Somaliland solider because hes Habar Awal

Postby haxxor » Sat Feb 19, 2011 6:09 am

Qabillism at its best.

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Re: SSC releases a Somaliland solider because hes Habar Awal

Postby JeyR » Sat Feb 19, 2011 11:45 am

YEAH THAT HAS WORKED, I HEARD HABAR AWAL ALREADY TOLD DUQA SIILAANYO WE ARE NOT DYING YOUR TRIBE, AND THEY BACK UP... THERE ARE 6 ARAB SOLDERS TO BE RELEASED, DHULBAHANTE ARE WAITING CONFIRMATION FROM ARAB TRIBE THAT THEY SONS WILL NOT BE INVOLVE THIS WAR...

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Re: SSC releases a Somaliland solider because hes Habar Awal

Postby SahanGalbeed » Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:08 pm

These guys are soldiers , they work for the SL government . If you all think no HA soldier will go wherever he is ordered to , I think you are mistaken .

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Postby Madelina » Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:37 pm

YEAH THAT HAS WORKED, I HEARD HABAR AWAL ALREADY TOLD DUQA SIILAANYO WE ARE NOT DYING YOUR TRIBE, AND THEY BACK UP... THERE ARE 6 ARAB SOLDERS TO BE RELEASED, DHULBAHANTE ARE WAITING CONFIRMATION FROM ARAB TRIBE THAT THEY SONS WILL NOT BE INVOLVE THIS WAR...

In all due respect JeyR, you got this all wrong :down: ... SSC caught two prisoners, one died from his injuries (AUN) and the second (Keyse) was released. Keyse was interviewed and made no indication of other prisoners being held by SSC. The SSC propaganda meant to rally and incite their supporters shouldn't be confused for fair and reliable news. Ask yourself this, if all these prisoners and dead soldiers on the side of Somaliland as claimed by Jidbale and co. where actually true, don't you think the families of the said dead soldiers and prisoners would have spoken up, so lama maqli lahyn ina hebel ayaa dhimtay ama missing in action etc etc? Do you honestly think they would allow the government to hide these facts and aay dafiraan the death of their sons and the family members prisoners loo qabsaday? ....the answer is No, Somalida waxba kama qarsona.

Anyways Mr JeyR, I only hope the above, brings back lil more sense and sheds light to this whole mess internetka lala wareegayo by certain individuals...But we completely understand beenta dhocaas ah ineey moralka idiin dhisayso so iska walaaqda :mrgreen: we give you full permission!

P.S I applaud the Buhoodle elders for releasing Keyse... :up: I know from the Somaliland end some of the prisoners were released only we didn't make a big huuhaa about it!

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Postby JeyR » Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:12 pm

YEAH THAT HAS WORKED, I HEARD HABAR AWAL ALREADY TOLD DUQA SIILAANYO WE ARE NOT DYING YOUR TRIBE, AND THEY BACK UP... THERE ARE 6 ARAB SOLDERS TO BE RELEASED, DHULBAHANTE ARE WAITING CONFIRMATION FROM ARAB TRIBE THAT THEY SONS WILL NOT BE INVOLVE THIS WAR...

In all due respect JeyR, you got this all wrong :down: ... SSC caught two prisoners, one died from his injuries (AUN) and the second (Keyse) was released. Keyse was interviewed and made no indication of other prisoners being held by SSC. The SSC propaganda meant to rally and incite their supporters shouldn't be confused for fair and reliable news. Ask yourself this, if all these prisoners and dead soldiers on the side of Somaliland as claimed by Jidbale and co. where actually true, don't you think the families of the said dead soldiers and prisoners would have spoken up, so lama maqli lahyn ina hebel ayaa dhimtay ama missing in action etc etc? Do you honestly think they would allow the government to hide these facts and aay dafiraan the death of their sons and the family members prisoners loo qabsaday? ....the answer is No, Somalida waxba kama qarsona.

Anyways Mr JeyR, I only hope the above, brings back lil more sense and sheds light to this whole mess internetka lala wareegayo by certain individuals...But we completely understand beenta dhocaas ah ineey moralka idiin dhisayso so iska walaaqda :mrgreen: we give you full permission!

P.S I applaud the Buhoodle elders for releasing Keyse... :up: I know from the Somaliland end some of the prisoners were released only we didn't make a big huuhaa about it!

Medelina... I don't respond most people here, I only respond view poeple who are reasonable.

Let’s separate facts from the fiction here. Since dhulbahante and isaaq are intermarriage, if there is a problem one side, the other side usually knows it. What I meant this is that, I talk to my isaaq causins who live in Burco and Hargaisa, they told us that when the Kalshaale war started, the Somaliland army was completely disoriented and confused. And that was the reason you lost that war. I hope no more war but let me ask you this,

Is it worth for you guys to have war with dhulbahante?
Remember this, this war stared between dhulbahante and habar jeclo and now it is between dhulbahante and Somaliland. I know some of you will deny this and say this is not dhuloos and Somaliland but it is a fact the war is between dhuloos and somaliand or isaaq.

I wanna post this question also all the isaaq people here:
Would you guys want to die a land that is not yours such us laascaanood and kalshaale? Would you guys think you can force dhulbahante to be under your administration by force?

One thing I know dhuloos took this war seriously, and they will never allow anyone to control or come to their territory anymore.
What is your solution?

P.S I only respond people who express their opinion in a right way..

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Postby Madelina » Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:30 pm

JeyR, thank you for responding to me, and it's about time we take the emotion out of this conflict and think logically. Nobody wants war because at the end of the day people are losing lives. I don't consider SSC as a terrorists group as some do, but I see them as an organization that' has a different political agenda from that off Somaliland.

As for the Dhulbahanto people ( don't want to confuse the SSC and Dhulbahanto), it's no secret that they are divided between Somaliland/Puntland and SSC and it's certainly not fair to say ALL Dhulbahanto are SSC. There for, I don't see why Somaliland has to give heed to the SSC group when we have Somaliland Dhulbahanto that are supporting us.

In anyways, I don't believe in war , I think we should come back to the negotiation table and have a heart to heart frank talks with the Dhulbahanto elders, even haday noqoto in referendum laga qado all the residents of the Sool, Sanaag and Cayn regions...and then the outcome of the majority la respectgareeyo :up:

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Re: SSC releases a Somaliland solider because hes Habar Awal

Postby SLJOOFAY » Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:44 pm

I wanna post this question also all the isaaq people here:
Would you guys want to die a land that is not yours such us laascaanood and kalshaale? Would you guys think you can force dhulbahante to be under your administration by force?
Thats a good question....

Only problem is that you claim the whole of Sool, Sanaag and Cayn are you then suggesting that all of these places belong in whole to Dhulbante?

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Postby SahanGalbeed » Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:48 pm

Everything within the clearly demarcated borders of Somaliland is ours , and all of the subclans of Somaliland will continue to serve in our military , needless to say soldier will follow orders of course as where they will be deployed .
Again very poor startegy coming from the dhulbahante , sorry to say .

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Postby JeyR » Sat Feb 19, 2011 3:25 pm

JeyR, thank you for responding to me, and it's about time we take the emotion out of this conflict and think logically. Nobody wants war because at the end of the day people are losing lives. I don't consider SSC as a terrorists group as some do, but I see them as an organization that' has a different political agenda from that off Somaliland.

As for the Dhulbahanto people ( don't want to confuse the SSC and Dhulbahanto), it's no secret that they are divided between Somaliland/Puntland and SSC and it's certainly not fair to say ALL Dhulbahanto are SSC. There for, I don't see why Somaliland has to give heed to the SSC group when we have Somaliland Dhulbahanto that are supporting us.

In anyways, I don't believe in war , I think we should come back to the negotiation table and have a heart to heart frank talks with the Dhulbahanto elders, even haday noqoto in referendum laga qado all the residents of the Sool, Sanaag and Cayn regions...and then the outcome of the majority la respectgareeyo :up:
Madelina.. Thnx for the respond too. I do agree with you some part of your writting which is the war is not a solution. As you know dhulbahante people had a division among themselves, which was mostly prosomaliland and propuntland. It is also obvious majorty of dhulbahante do not want to be part of these two administrations, they want to set up their own administration, and that is where SSC come in, and believe me 90%of dhulbahante supports SSC and they see them as their own. Yes there are individuals who still support somaliland and puntland but the fact matter is, they are only representing themselves not the dhuloos at all. whether you or administration accept SSC is dhulbahante or not, i can assure you SSC will not go away and will reach it's goal whatever it takes. It is up to the somaliland people to use it's thier brain or to get ready long war, which i am hopping it will not happen.

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Postby Madelina » Sat Feb 19, 2011 4:12 pm

JeyR, thank you for responding to me, and it's about time we take the emotion out of this conflict and think logically. Nobody wants war because at the end of the day people are losing lives. I don't consider SSC as a terrorists group as some do, but I see them as an organization that' has a different political agenda from that off Somaliland.

As for the Dhulbahanto people ( don't want to confuse the SSC and Dhulbahanto), it's no secret that they are divided between Somaliland/Puntland and SSC and it's certainly not fair to say ALL Dhulbahanto are SSC. There for, I don't see why Somaliland has to give heed to the SSC group when we have Somaliland Dhulbahanto that are supporting us.

In anyways, I don't believe in war , I think we should come back to the negotiation table and have a heart to heart frank talks with the Dhulbahanto elders, even haday noqoto in referendum laga qado all the residents of the Sool, Sanaag and Cayn regions...and then the outcome of the majority la respectgareeyo :up:
Madelina.. Thnx for the respond too. I do agree with you some part of your writting which is the war is not a solution. As you know dhulbahante people had a division among themselves, which was mostly prosomaliland and propuntland. It is also obvious majorty of dhulbahante do not want to be part of these two administrations, they want to set up their own administration, and that is where SSC come in, and believe me 90%of dhulbahante supports SSC and they see them as their own. Yes there are individuals who still support somaliland and puntland but the fact matter is, they are only representing themselves not the dhuloos at all. whether you or administration accept SSC is dhulbahante or not, i can assure you SSC will not go away and will reach it's goal whatever it takes. It is up to the somaliland people to use it's thier brain or to get ready long war, which i am hopping it will not happen.
I respect your views, bet let me ask you this since Somaliland is also very adamant on their stand, how do you feel about a referendum to be held for all the Sool Sanaag and Cayne people from all the different tribes. If SSC are so confident that the mojority supports them then they should jump at the chance because they have nothing to lose right? Both SSC and Somaliland will have to respect the outcome ..I guess it's one way to avoid war and respect the views of the majority!..

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Re: SSC releases a Somaliland solider because hes Habar Awal

Postby EastAfrica » Sat Feb 19, 2011 6:27 pm

Unlike most Isaaq on this forum , Madelina is reasonable Isaaq, he supports his clan (Isaaq), at the same time respects Dhulbahante people who don't want to be part of Secessionist Somaliland.

As a supporter of Secessionist Somaliland he said SSC movement is an “organization that' has a different political agenda from that off Somaliland”, that is realistic and rational.
Nobody wants war because at the end of the day people are losing lives. I don't consider SSC as a terrorists group as some do, but I see them as an organization that' has a different political agenda from that off Somaliland.
To avoid wars Somaliland should respect Dhulbahante people, forcing people to part of secession is an act of war. Many Isaaqs support secessionist Somaliland, and they will oppose if anyone forces them (Isaaqs)to be part of United Somalia. In 2011, many of us still remember 1988.

I don't consider SSC as a terrorists group as some do, but I see them as an organization that' has a different political agenda from that off Somaliland.
Good for you if you believe that SSC Movement are group of people who have different views. BUT the problem is Warlord Siilaanyo, his Somaliland/SNM faction and his clan supporters consider SSC Dhulbahante Movement as enemy - the word terrorist is used to get support from Melez/Habash. It seems in this situation War is inevitable just like 1988.
As for the Dhulbahanto people ( don't want to confuse the SSC and Dhulbahanto), it's no secret that they are divided between Somaliland/Puntland and SSC and it's certainly not fair to say ALL Dhulbahanto are SSC. There for, I don't see why Somaliland has to give heed to the SSC group when we have Somaliland Dhulbahanto that are supporting us.
In 1988 President Siyaad Barre and his spy Riyaale said they don’t want to confuse SNM Clan faction with Isaaq people, they added that Isaaq people mostly supported Somali Government in 1988 look Riyaale (NSS Spy), look Faisal Waraabe (NSS Informer), look Gaboose (Siyad personal doctor), look cigaal (head of somali chamber of commerce in Mogadishu), look Cabdurahmaan Cirro (somali diplomat in Russia), look Warancdde(another nss spy)..........etc and today look Mohamed Oomar, Buubaa, Sifir, Kaluun, etc.

In 1998, Somali Government used same argument that not all isaaq supported snm clan faction, and today same thing Somali Government is using same argument that not all Isaaq support secession, Warlord Siilaanyo and the fact that all non-Isaaq north somalis are against secessionist Somaliland, So Somalia says NOT all north somalis want to divide Somalia and independence, Ethiopia uses same argument that not all somalis/Ogadenis support ONLF and want independence, India says not all kashmiris want independence, Serbia said not all bosnians and kosovans want independence, Sudan said not all south Sudanese want independence. Iraq says that not all kurds want independence.

There is one thing that all Dhulbahante share whether they pro-SSC pro- tfg , or pro-Puntland that Somalia should stay united forever, that Somalia’s territorial integrity is should be protected, that SSC is heart of Somalia and Somaliweyn, that unity of Somalia is sacred (muqadas), and that the blue flag of Somalia is the SUPREME FLAG.

In anyways, I don't believe in war , I think we should come back to the negotiation table and have a heart to heart frank talks with the Dhulbahanto elders, even haday noqoto in referendum laga qado all the residents of the Sool, Sanaag and Cayn regions...and then the outcome of the majority la respectgareeyo :up:

I respect your views, bet let me ask you this since Somaliland is also very adamant on their stand, how do you feel about a referendum to be held for all the Sool Sanaag and Cayne people from all the different tribes. If SSC are so confident that the mojority supports them then they should jump at the chance because they have nothing to lose right? Both SSC and Somaliland will have to respect the outcome ..I guess it's one way to avoid war and respect the views of the majority!..
Madelina, I agree with you negotiations, peace talks, are the way forward, war is NOT an option after 30 years of Somali clan/civil wars. I think we somalis need to learn to respect each other and talk not fight, Somali people need peace and to co-exist with wars. There is no alternative for peace. I believe Somali people have things in common than differences. We should solve small problems peacefully and save lives in both sides.

BUT unfortunately Somaliland clan faction is not ready for concession and compromise, as you said they are inflexible and NOT ready peace. it is a crusade (a sacred clan war) for Siilaanyo, his snm clan militia and die hard clan secessionists to attack and invade SSC Regions by force and occupation. Same thing, Dhulbahante people, SSC Movement, and SSC freedom fighters, it is Jihaad for them to defend their land, peop;e, eldarly, and children against invaders - Warlord Siilaanyo and his SNM militia.

Good for you trying to find solutions for Somali people who suffering from clan and civil wars from last 30 years. I don't think Warlord Siilaanyo, his faction, and diehard clan secessionist will want or respect referendum. Most snm clan secessionists say British colonials gave us Sool Sanaag and Cayn, so its NOT negotiable. Somaliland will be reject any referendum on SSC Regions like south Sudan. SSC Dhulbahante movement is confident that 99.99 % of Dhulbahante will vote YES for United Somalia, and NO to clan state of Somaliland (In Kalshaale, Warlord Siilaanyo and his snm clan militia are helping Siilaanyo sub-sub clan to grab more land from Dhulbahante). The question is Warlord Siilaanyo and his clan state of Somaliland brave enough like President Bashiir and North Sudan????????????

The other question is who will conduct the referendum???? Just like Isaaq people (Somaliland) will NOT trust or accept a referendum organized by TFG/Puntland/SSC.
Similarly Dhulbahante/SSC and Warsangali/Maakhir will NOT accept a referendum organized by Warlord Siilaanyo and his SNM/Somaliland clan faction.


Personally, I believe if people of SSC/Dhulbahante support unity and want to stay as part of Somalia, they should be respected for the sake of peace and to avoid unnecessary clan wars. Same thing, if people of Somaliland/SNM/Isaaq want to have their own clan-state and secede from Somalia they should be respected to avoid wars between Somali people. No one should force anyone.
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Postby EastAfrica » Sat Feb 19, 2011 6:59 pm

Only problem is that you claim the whole of Sool, Sanaag and Cayn are you then suggesting that all of these places belong in whole to Dhulbante?


You claim Las Anod, Las qorey, and Buhoodle and all Dhulbahante/warsangali land, and at the same time you arguing and accusing that Dhulbahante by claiming all SSC regions, they taking with few villages shared by both Dhulbahante and Isaaq.
Well, you know SNM/Somaliland Clan faction started this business in 1991, when snm started claiming other people' land (Dhulbahante and Warsangali). The problem started when the clan faction of SNM/Somaliland claimed all the territories of former british somali colony. Warlord Siilaanyo and SNM/Somaliland clan faction believe that all the land of former British colony belong to Isaaq clan, because we inherited from our British colonial masters.
If Warlord Siilaanyo, his Somaliland clan faction, his clan supporters are ready for to respect Warsangali and Dhulbahante people decision to NOT be part of so-called Somaliland, ready for peace, ready for peaceful co-existence, ready for negotiations/talks, ready for compromise, ready for respecting neighbours ...................................etc
If both sides are ready for peace, and ready for mutual respect, few shared villages will NOT be a problem.

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Postby The_Emperior5 » Sat Feb 19, 2011 7:05 pm

Somaliland can never be divided hadaad Somaliland didid you can move away from Somaliland and live in Somalia but the land belongs to Somaliland.

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Postby EastAfrica » Sat Feb 19, 2011 7:30 pm

Somaliland can never be divided hadaad Somaliland didid you can move away from Somaliland and live in Somalia but the land belongs to Somaliland.
SOMALIA can never be divided, If you don't want SOMALIA, you can move away from SOMALIA, and live in Ethiopia(snm was xabashi created puppet), but the land belong to SOMALIA, the territorial inyegrity of SOMALIA is negotiable.

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Dadka guura ee ordoo waa Somaalidiidka, Dalka iyo Dhulka Somalia ma guurayo lamna aqbalayo in la qeybiyo, midnimada dalka SOMALIA waa muqadas, taako lama siideenayo. Somalidiidku dhul haa ka raadsado xabashida, red sea ama indian ocean.

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