SSC releases a Somaliland solider because hes Habar Awal

[The_Emperior5]

Somalia wey dhimatay taasi saaxib tii anu ka goosanay anagu 1991


This is Somalia
Bintiland
galmudug
ximan iyo xeeb
waax iyo waadi
jubras
greenland
alshabaab
tfg dawlad meel ma gaadho
Ahlusuna waljamaca


Somaliland is sacred Mar ingriis baanu ka xoreysney Marna waxanu ka xoreyney faqashti iyo Somalia

Maantana wa qaran weye jamhuuriyada Somaliland

[Siciid85]

Somaliland can never be divided hadaad Somaliland didid you can move away from Somaliland and live in Somalia but the land belongs to Somaliland.

Dadka guura adeer Dhulku ma guuro

[EastAfrica]

Somalia wey dhimatay taasi saaxib tii anu ka goosanay anagu 1991


This is SomaliaBintiland
galmudug
ximan iyo xeeb
waax iyo waadi
jubras
greenland
alshabaab
tfg dawlad meel ma gaadho
Ahlusuna waljamaca


Somaliland is sacred Mar ingriis baanu ka xoreysney Marna waxanu ka xoreyney faqashti iyo Somalia

Maantana wa qaran weye jamhuuriyada Somaliland

Somalia waa dalkuna waligii waa jirayaa, aduunka oo dhan baana laga aqoonsanyahay SOMALIA, SOMALIA waa muqadas waana laga difaacayaa cadowga dabada iyo ka gudahaba.

SOMALIA waaxaa laga xoreeyey Ingriiskii, markaa jabahadu qabiili ah sida SNM- Somalidiidland waxba kama qaadayaan SOMALIA

SNM-Somalidiidland wax jira maaha, waa sheeko ee ku riyoodaan dadka marqaansan, aduunka waa uu diiday inuu aqoonsado sheekadaa been ah ee somalidiidlan

[The_Emperior5]

Somalia saaxib way burburtay 20 sannoh ka hor hadaad wax rabtid inad sh dalxiis la qabatid dee u guur Somalia oo ka barbar dagalaan buhuku bahaka halkan qurba ha joogin oo calanka Somalia haku duuban badhida oo ha niikin ,,
So diifaac kaso difaac Alshabaab iyo Amiiir godane loool

Somaliland wa qaran madax banaan ama diid ama ooy hadaad diidid , Khayin al wadan baad tahay walaga siifeynaya arliga

SNM na wa mujahidinti dalka u so halgantay ilahay ba jecel qabriga ilahay ba u nuurayo muj siilanyo bana manta hogaanka no haya god bless

[JeyR]

Medelina.......Thanks for the respond. And I do respect your political view even though I disagree with you. I am not sure if we see things same, and here is where we are totaly different.
I think you believe Somaliland as prospect nation which will be independent statehood in the future. On the other hand, we see Somaliland as autonomous state which always is a part of greater Somalia. If I understood your writting, your solution for this issue was either referendum or war. By the way, who are you to tell me to have Referendum for my own state? Are you serious? Let me tell you one thing here, there will never be such referendum in SSCLAND. You are not a legitimate government or a nation.

If your theory is based on Somaliland had been created by the British, therefore we must be independent state now, you are free to create that state from Burco, to hargisa, but not in SSCLand, that is not gonna happen at all.

Little History:
The name of Somaliland is been created by the British colony. If you read the history, Dhulbahante tribe had never agreed anything with the British. From the day British colony arrive to Somalia to the day they left, we were fighting with him. So now you are telling me to divide the nation that I die for under the British colony ? I refuse to do this 80 years ago from the British, and that is not gonna happen now. I hope there is no war btwn s/land and SSC......

[The_Emperior5]

Medelina.......Thanks for the respond. And I do respect your political view even though I disagree with you. I am not sure if we see things same, and here is where we are totaly different.
I think you believe Somaliland as prospect nation which will be independent statehood in the future. On the other hand, we see Somaliland as autonomous state which always is a part of greater Somalia. If I understood your writting, your solution for this issue was either referendum or war. By the way, who are you to tell me to have Referendum for my own state? Are you serious? Let me tell you one thing here, there will never be such referendum in SSCLAND. You are not a legitimate government or a nation.

If your theory is based on Somaliland had been created by the British, therefore we must be independent state now, you are free to create that state from Burco, to hargisa, but not in SSCLand, that is not gonna happen at all.

Little History:
The name of Somaliland is been created by the British colony. If you read the history, Dhulbahante tribe had never agreed anything with the British. From the day British colony arrive to Somalia to the day they left, we were fighting with him. So now you are telling me to divide the nation that I die for under the British colony ? I refuse to do this 80 years ago from the British, and that is not gonna happen now. I hope there is no war btwn s/land and SSC......

Listen here buddy madeline offered a very very reasonable offer that is SOOL SANAAG AND CAYN distict of buhoodle there will be a referendum where these 3 provinces will go to Somaliland or Somalia i think that seems fair

sool 4 degmo
cayn 3 degmo
sanaag 3 degmo

degmada caynabo
degmada xudun
degmada laascanood
degmada taleex

sanaag degmada ceel afweyn
degmada ceerigabo
degmada badhan

cayn
Degmada widhwidh
Degmada qorilugud
Demgada buhoodle


Majority halkay racaan ba la raacinay that seems fair to me
there are nor British now there is only Somaliland and a Somaliland government

[Madelina]

East Africa and JayR, as I said I respect your views and I don't have a personal grudge against Dhulbahanto, not only do I share the same blood, but I grew up in the same household with my Dhulos family members, not once have we discussed qabil in a negative way or aanu iskala qaad qaadnay. This whole SSC issue has only come to light for me in the recent skirmishes.

The way I see things, there will always be extreme groups within societies and communities, wether it's within Dhulbahanto itself or Isaaq. Guys (EastAfrica & JayR) from our brief exchange in here I am beginning to think maybe SSC is an extreme far right organization within the Dhulbahanto. I say this because I have offered a very reasonable compromise that may possibly be a solution to end this ongoing issue. Any reasonable person, from both the Somaliland and Dhulbahanto side who wants a lasting peace would welcome this or at least be little more interested in the idea. I have yet to see an SSC supporter ka hadlaya nabad and peace or coming up with ways to bring about more permanent peaceful solutions to these regions. ..

Sorry to say this but y'all come across as very aggressive and I think it's safe to say SSC's ultimate goal is war, they don't want peace because uma ekidan dad nabad u so jeeda, but I have to keep reminding myself that Dhulbahanto is not SSC and SSC is not Dhulbahanto so Insha Alaah the peace loving Dhulos will prevail in the end!..

EastAfrica you've also went out of your way to compare the SSC with SNM, in all fairness hadi laska indha tireen, the crimes against the ppl in the triangle, by what was then the Somali government, is well documented and supported. The Somaliland government is not torturing or murdering Dhulbahanto civilians and I kindly ask you to bring evidence where Dhulbahanto women lagu rapegareey ama genocide lagu sameyey, because I think you're making very serious allegations against the Somaliland goverment. I will be the first to turn against my own government if you can present me with convincing evidence

....and don't put forward the current skirmishes as evidence, where armed groups fought & people on both sides got killed...If anything it was your websites, correct me if i am wrong, that reported 100's of Somaliland soldiers were killed or captured. But yet you're accusing us of genocide iyo mass murder...c'mon where's the logic in that?..you can't have it both ways

Anyways, I pray for peace for all of us Insha Alaah...wa'ad Salamantahin...


One more thing EastAFrica, I happen to be FEMALE yaah ...

[SahanGalbeed]

The dhulbahante want their own land , the warsangeli want their own land , the majeerten want their own land , the mareexan want their own land , the ogaden want their own land ..that's just for all these subclans that come under daarod who all say they are commited to keep Somalia together . Then you have ASWJ who want their own land , Al Shabaab who want their own land and the president of Somalia who's lost pretty much every group cited up above .
This is a fuckin headache alright ?
Like I said before Qatar the UAE and Bahrain were all grouped together under british colonization . They couldn't stay together and all went their seperate ways . The borders we have inherited from colonization are what they are , that's all there is to say from my standpoint .

[Dhaga Bacayl]

I think this only diminishing their quest as 'freedom fightiners' againt Somaliland. They just admitted in fighting certain qabiils rather than administration occupying thier "land"

[EastAfrica]

Madelina
You said you are a female, you heard Somali saying “gabdhuhu qabiil malaha”? Somali politics is mostly about qabyaalad
Me too, I have Isaaq relatives and we discuss frankly about Somali politics, and they don’t support Warlord Siilaanyo and his war on Dhulbahante people. They believe that SSC and Somaliland should peacefully coexist without unnecessary wars, they believe that it is wrong it is wrong to force Isaaq to be part of Somalia, similarly it is wrong to force Dhulbahante/SSC people to be part of Somaliland clan faction.
Both Jayr and me welcomed when you said that you respect the decision of Dhulbahante people NOT to be part of SNM/Somaliland clan faction. But still we have disagreements on many issues you are still a supporter of Somaliland.
You are right there is always be extreme groups within each community, Somaliland clan faction is an extreme far right within Isaaq. Honestly I have yet to see s Somaliland supporter who is against Somaliland’ war on SSC regions and against Warlord Siilaanyo obsession with clan wars. In 2003, when Bush and American army attacked and invaded Iraq, there was many Americans who were against the Iraqi war like President Obama, Obama said many times that you can be good and patriot American and still be against Iraqi war. In this forum most somalilad clan faction supporters blindly support Warlord Siilaanyo war on Dhulbahante people and his land grab at expense of Dhulbahante people.
Madelina, you are unfair and very subjective to accuse Dhulbahante/SSC supporters are not ready for peace. You acting like Israelis who say that Palestinians are not good partners and don’t want peace or Indians who say Kashmiris don;t want peace. Aggressors and invaders like Israel and Somaliland clan faction always blame the victims to justify their crimes and land grabs.
I support negotiations, peace talks, are the way forward, war is NOT an option after 30 years of Somali clan/civil wars. I think we somalis need to learn to respect each other and talk not fight, Somali people need peace and to co-exist withOUT wars. There is no alternative for peace. I believe Somali people have things in common than differences. We should solve small problems peacefully and save lives in both sides.

BUT unfortunately Somaliland clan faction is not ready for concession and compromise, as you Madelina admitted that Somaliland is inflexible and NOT ready peace “adamant on their stand” . It is a crusade (a sacred clan war) for Siilaanyo, his snm clan militia and die hard clan secessionists to attack and invade SSC Regions by force and occupation. Same thing, Dhulbahante people, SSC Movement, and SSC freedom fighters, it is Jihaad for them to defend their land, people, elderly, women and children against invaders - Warlord Siilaanyo and his SNM militia.
Personally, I believe if people of SSC/Dhulbahante support unity and want to stay as part of Somalia, they should be respected for the sake of peace and to avoid unnecessary clan wars. Similarly, if people of Somaliland/SNM/Isaaq want to have their own clan-state and secede from Somalia they should be respected to avoid wars between Somali people. No one should force anyone. Many Somali unionists including many Dhulbahante believe that Somali Unity and territorial integrity of Somalia is non-negotiable. Similarly many Isaaqs/somalilanders believe that Somalia should be divided and that secession is not negotiable. But realistically everything should negotiable for the sake of peace, progress, and development.
We know as well that not all Isaaq support secession and Somaliland, we hope that peace loving Isaaqs who are against Somaliland’s war on SSC will prevail in end Insha Allah
Lets make it very clear that Somali Government never committed any crimes anywhere inside Somalia, mostly snm/Somaliland supporters make accusations and allegations without any evidence. If there was any crimes, it was committed by SNM who invaded Somalia in 1988 from Ethiopia.
Madelin, you wrong I never compared SSC with SNM, SNM was an Ethiopian created puppet clan faction to destroy Somalia. SNM was created in early 1980s a time when the triangle and all Somalia was enjoying peace, soon after snm was created by Ethiopians, problems started in the triangle. In 1980s, Warlord Siilaanyo and SNM committed numerous crimes against humanity in the Triangle and in SSC Region. And in 1994-1996, Warlord Siilaanyo and his SNM factuion killed thousands in Burco. Between 2003-2011 SNM/Somaliland waged so many wars against SSC people, in 2007, when snm/Somaliland clan militia invaded Las Anod, they tortured and jailed thousands of Las Anod residents, now thousands of Dhulbahante people are jailed for years without justice and fairness in LaS Anod, Caynabo, Burco, Hargeisa and Barbara. SSC/Dhulbahante people are fighting for their freedom and justice. Also, in 2007 SNM/Somaliland clan militia forced more than 50, 000 of Las Anod to leave the city. Somaliland clan militia have committed genocide by killing and murdering many innocent civilians women, elderly, and children in Las anod ( 2007), Widhwidh (2010), Balihadhac (2010), Kalabaydh (2010), and Kalshaale (2011). Warlord Siilaanyo, his snm/Somaliland clan militia, siilaanyo sub sub clan are all jointly attacked Kalshaale to force Dhulbahante people to leave Kalshaale, that is clear example of ethnic cleansing and land grab. Now crimes committed by SNM/Somaliland in SSC Region is well documented. Many International organizations like UN have addressed the Issue and are very concerned about innocent civilians. Many women were raped in widhwidh, when Somaliland clan militia attacked last year, and also there report in 2009 about a woman who was raped by Somaliland clan militia. As a somalilander you support your snm/Somaliland clan militia.
....and don't put forward the current skirmishes as evidence, where armed groups fought & people on both sides got killed..
Similarly, in 1988 armed groups fought and people on both sides got killed, and the war was started by Ethiopian created SNM clan faction

.If anything it was your websites, correct me if i am wrong, that reported 100's of Somaliland soldiers were killed or captured.

Your websites as well, reported that more SSC Soldiers than SNM/Somaliland were killed and captured, in war both sides claim they defeated enemy and killed many soldiers from them, nothing new.

But yet you're accusing us of genocide iyo mass murder...c'mon where's the logic in that?..you can't have it both ways

SNM/Somaliland clan militia have made false allegations against Somali Government by claiming that the Government committed genocide and mass murder, while at the same time SNM claims that in 19988 they defeated Somali Government in the Triangle, another big lie, who are they deceiving?? SNM clan faction is trying to have it both ways.



Aamiin, May Allah bless Somalia and Somali people with peace and prosperity

[EastAfrica]

I think this only diminishing their quest as 'freedom fightiners' against Somaliland. They just admitted in fighting certain qabiils rather than administration occupying their "land"

I disagree, SSC Freedom fighters are fighting against racist/qabiilist clan-faction SNM which occupying their land, and committing genocide, mass murder, ethnic cleansing and land grab against innocent civilians in SSC regions. SSC Movement is at war with SNM (now calls itself Somaliland), and NOT certain qabiil (in this case Isaaq). There is many Isaaqs who are against Warlord Siilany and SNM/Somaliland war on SSC people.

[udun]

The dhulbahante want their own land , the warsangeli want their own land , the majeerten want their own land , the mareexan want their own land , the ogaden want their own land ..that's just for all these subclans that come under daarod who all say they are commited to keep Somalia together . Then you have ASWJ who want their own land , Al Shabaab who want their own land and the president of Somalia who's lost pretty much every group cited up above .
This is a fuckin headache alright ?
Like I said before Qatar the UAE and Bahrain were all grouped together under british colonization . They couldn't stay together and all went their seperate ways . The borders we have inherited from colonization are what they are , that's all there is to say from my standpoint .

All of the clans mentioned want unified Somali Republic.

The borders that were created by the British and Italian colinialists without the consultation of the Somali people were abolished in July 1 1960. The Somali parliament have accepted the union in 1960 and the people of Somalia have accepted in popular referundum. The case is very clear and that is that 'fictional' border that secessionists worship was abolished in July 1, 1960.

[Dhaga Bacayl]

I think this only diminishing their quest as 'freedom fightiners' against Somaliland. They just admitted in fighting certain qabiils rather than administration occupying their "land"

I disagree, SSC Freedom fighters are fighting against racist/qabiilist clan-faction SNM which occupying their land, and committing genocide, mass murder, ethnic cleansing and land grab against innocent civilians in SSC regions. SSC Movement is at war with SNM (now calls itself Somaliland), and NOT certain qabiil (in this case Isaaq). There is many Isaaqs who are against Warlord Siilany and SNM/Somaliland war on SSC people.

..yet they just realeased HA dude who was in the Somaliland army because they believe there is no beef between HA and dhullo. That is simply Contradicting they above statement.

Meesha in barkado iyo caws xooluhu daaqan laba reer isku haystaan uunbaa cadaatay.