Who has the most to gain or lose from more political party's

[SLJOOFAY]

My personal oppinion is that the current three party system does not work for three reasons, firstly, the secret process with which party leaders are elected is completly flawed. Secondly the endemic lack of inclusiveness in these party's and thirdly, the lack of political vision or idiology associated with a party which leads to party's being associated with a particular Clan instead.

Having said that, opening up the politcal system with the introduction of an unlimited number of parties will turn out to be a very naive move for the simple fact that it DOES NOT solve any of the problems that the existing party's suffer from. It is bad enough having three uninclusive party's, led by men who answer only to themselves and who's support base is primarly based on their clan. What is the point of having 12 more just like Udub,Ucid and Kulmiye.

As for the argument that an unlimited number of party's shud be allowed to take part in local elections and from there the top three shud contest the general election, this will have a destabilising effect on Somaliland's democracy as there could be a situation where we have three new party's contesting leadership every five years.

From every thing I've heard so far it is inevitable that the Somaliland goverment will take the easier option of more political party's rather than what is actually needed which is real reform. When the inevitible happens who will be the winners and loser's.


Out Somaliland's Clans who has the most to gain or lose out of more political party's

Loser's

1) Habar Awal

One of the key reasons this will be bad news for HA is "Musa Bixii", he is hellbent on being a presidential candidate (with Kulmiye) the problem with this guy is that he is an polarising figure he will have some support from Kulmiye die hards but he has a history and there is no way the country would be united around him. HA intelectuals know this and that is the reason why they wont fully back him and instead will form rival party's ofcourse this will completly reduce the voting power of HA.

2) Habar Yoonis

Gaboose, Ina Waraancade, Cawil, Ciirro..... need i say any more.
The problem with Habar Yoonis is that they will never unite around one leader, what makes it worse this time around is that there are a number of heavyweight HY candidates all with big ego's and ambitions to be president. There will be atleast three HY parties and we all know what that means!!. Their vote will be devided amognst 3 equally viable equaly strong presidential candidates.

Winners

Gudabirsi Harti Coalition

If Gudabirsi, Dhulbahante and Warsangeli can unite around one man and form a coalition this will be formidable. Personally I can't see it happening but if it did they will be on to a winner

Unsure/either way

Habar Jeclo

HJ have already proven that they can unite around one man and there is no doubting whether they can do that agian. The problem here is that the only viable HJ candidates are Silanyo, Saleeban Gaal, Ina Doolayare. Silanyo in all probability will not run, Saleeban gaal is an old man now and i dont think he has the energy to fight such a fierce election, Ina doolyare does not have enough experience and even less support base. I didnt bother mention Ina Kahin because i personally do not think he will run.

[abdikarim86]

Interesting point about Muuse Biixi, I've seen many people opposed to Kulmiye/Siilaanyo
for the simple fact that Muuse Biixi is Number 2 in the party.

[NewHargeisaGirl]

bal 50 jirkan asaasaqay eega kullaha Gudarbursi has much to gain waar garac yahaw Samaroon has nothin to do with your triangle..ee keep it movin and stop mentioning our name ! isku dhedhis badnaa sac sacani

[djibsomali]

bal 50 jirkan asaasaqay eega kullaha Gudarbursi has much to gain waar garac yahaw Samaroon has nothin to do with your triangle..ee keep it movin and stop mentioning our name ! isku dhedhis badnaa sac sacani

inaabtiyoo macaan dadkaan inagaa daah !!
way walanyahiin eeh....

[NewHargeisaGirl]

DjSomali, check your PM walaal

[Siciid85]

SLJOOFAY. The other clans are politically savvy and not that dumb. Obvisiouly if they see Gadabursi & Harti making alliance it will make them more aware of their surroundings and what the other clans are trying to plot. We can make alliance aswell Habar Garhajis - Cidangalle & Habar Yoonis, Arab and other sections. Same goes to Sacad Muse, Cisse muse, Ayub etc.

[SLJOOFAY]

SLJOOFAY. The other clans are politically savvy. Obvisiouly if they see Gadabursi & Harti making alliance it will make them more aware. We can make alliance aswell Habar Garhajis - Cidangalle & Habar Yoonis, Arab and other sections. Same goes to Sacad Muse, Cisse muse, Ayub etc.

Siciid, personally i dont see A gudabirsi & harti aliance coming to power as such a bad thing as long as the leader is right for the country after all they are as much Somalilander's as me and u. Lets be honest Silanyo came to power primeraly of the back of a HJ & Sacad muse aliance.

Secondly, No offence bro but a Garxajis aliance is just as unlikly as Gudabirsi aliance for the simple fact that there are way to many strong Garxajis candidates.

[Cali_Gaab]

DjSomali, check your PM walaal

And you check yours walaal

[Siciid85]

SLJOOFAY first of all alot of Somalilander's voted for Siilaanyo from different districts & regions not just those two tribes you mentioned. Secondly having too many candidates doesn't necessarily mean they will be heading different parties. For all we know only 1 might come out ( Warancadde or Cirro and beesha can unite under that 1.) Somaliland parties are multi tribe anyway that is what makes it different and not just one clan party so of course the party will need to include alot of Somaliland tribes.

[Madelina]

I would like to see a Dhulbahanto president or vice-president in the next elections the Alliances can look like this HA/Dhulbahanto or HY/Dhulbahanto..HJ/Gadabrusi had their turn and will probably sit the next election

[NewHargeisaGirl]

Cali Midget,

I dont like you now, never have & probably never will.. like at all !! Know that.

BTW, stop sending me your roses.. and stay away from me

Thanks

[Cali_Gaab]

Check your pm again

[Cirwaaq]

I would like to see a Dhulbahanto president or vice-president in the next elections the Alliances can look like this HA/Dhulbahanto or HY/Dhulbahanto..HJ/Gadabrusi had their turn and will probably sit the next election

Is that inclusive enough?

Perhabs a prequalifier for the formation of a party should initially be inclusivity a NEW party must be able to gain a minimum support from every region in a state, otherwise the rules that estabilish the formation of a party themselves are and will be contributing to discrimination and sagregation.

Prequalifier1: Gain a minimum 1000 registered supporters from each of the regions of the state?



How many parties can accomplish this without making relevant comprimises to the people of every region?

There would be no need to force parties to have certain clan hierarchy and hence a party that can achieve the prequalifiers and is led by warsangeli will have as much credibility. It would be fair and have a Total population advocacy. It would eliminate the "ownership" of parties by certain clans and there is nothing wrong with having seperate elections every 3 or so years for party leadership.

A system would be fair if any eligible citizen of a state is able to part take on the basis of their intelect, education and capability to progress the politics of the state regardless of their clan. Fiqishini, Marehan or Gabooye born in the state and in possession of a citizenship would have as much right to seek leadership.

Is that too much of a leap

[Cali_Gaab]

I would like to see a Dhulbahanto president or vice-president in the next elections the Alliances can look like this HA/Dhulbahanto or HY/Dhulbahanto..HJ/Gadabrusi had their turn and will probably sit the next election

This is not bintiland where a simple selection will do. If you do not carry your own weight then why get rewarded for it?

[Madelina]

Cirwaaq anyone can form a party but in order to take part in the local elections you have to have certain number of constituency to even qualify. Once they qualify they can take part in the local elections and the top 3 parties will go on to take part in the general elections. The 3 parties that come out of the local elections will be wheeling and dealing to secure the supporters of the failed parties. You will hear xisbi hebel oo ki biray one of the 3 parties..etc. I think the Harti camp stand a good chance since people have politically matured but need to work that extra hard to get their constituency to participate

Aligab, you have a point, but it's equally important that non-isaaq politicians inaay ka muuqdan in the parties


*Hey I have an idea why don't we have more than one vice-president, that way all the SL qabilo will be represented?