The brain behind the "two-track" policy

[Hormood]

Wikileaks expose the brainchild of the two track approach to the former Somali Republic.

Assistant Secretary of State on African Affairs Johhnie Carson in top secret meeting with Somaliland Foreign Minister (Feb. 04, 2010)

http://wikileaks.org/cable/2010/02/10ADDISABABA236.html





Cabdillahi Maxamed Ducaale is pure genius -- thanks to him the US Government no longer recognizes a single Somali political entity

[Rightwing]

Thanks Hormood for the article

[Voltage]

Well this just confirms what we always know. Without Ahlu Sunnah in central Somalia headquartered in Caabudwaaq, Al Shabaab would have reached Hargeisa.

[hargaysaay]

Well this just confirms what we always know. Without Ahlu Sunnah in central Somalia headquartered in Caabudwaaq, Al Shabaab would have reached Hargeisa.

thanks for the joke voltage but seriously sl military is the best equiped strongest army in somalia dont you think so

[gurey25]

Well this just confirms what we always know. Without Ahlu Sunnah in central Somalia headquartered in Caabudwaaq, Al Shabaab would have reached Hargeisa.

stuff like this undermines your credibility..
what do you think alshabab are supermen?

how will they get to hargiesa? fly?

[Advo]

Say alshabaab without any resistance from central Somalia and Puntland was on the border facing off Somaliland soldiers, what would be the outcome without being bias?

[Somalistan]

somalilanders dare anyone to invade their lands; we wouldnt' stand for it.

Hargeisa, burco, berbera are the heartland of the isaaq and has never been infiltrated by an outside group including the mad mullah. The Afwayne regime does not count since they were embodied with the govt title. However, clan or group of terrorists cannot and will not conquer our lands. This isnt' just a bravado, it's the truth.

say 15000 alshabab vs. the isaaq nation on their own turf. They may score few successful missions in first days, however the isaaq with their fame xamaasad would gather from east, west and every direction and attack al shabab and deliver vicious blow. Unlike the pirate boy we do not run from conflicts specially when we are on our turf in life and death situation.

[Voltage]

It wouldn't be Al Shabab vs isaaq. Shabab is an ideology that could pit isaaq father and son. The head of Al Shabab is Isaaq remember that. In any case my statement had to do with how important the Sland FM considered support to the armed Ahlu Sunnah movement.

[Advo]

Stan, Ideally that sounds great and all but Voltage is more practical on this one. Since alshabaab leaders come from the Issaq clan it cannot be considered Issaq vs Alshabaab, more like believers of Somaliland Vs. Alshabaab and I am sure Godane has many loyal sleeper cells in Burco and Hargiesa that will do internal damage while the battle is fought out in the open.

[gurey25]

first of all this can only happen in the event of a total breakdown of Somaliland, due to a civil war prior to any alshabab success in moving north.

secondly the hundreds of alshabab symphatizers are already under observation, their are files on them, their phone calls are monitered, their movements and relationships and also all dahabshiil transfers done by their families or anyone that they communicate with on a daily basis..

The Somaliland government would love nothing more than to sweep them all up put them in jail and torture them for information..
they cannot do that because of qabiil considerations.
The effort to arrest each one is a long drawn out process and involves consulting their clan elders, before and after the arrest.

We are not puntland to stupidly attack a subclan , when arresting someone, we are more politically savy..


In the even of a hypothetical alshabaab surge, with the fall of ahlu sunnah and puntland,
these clan considerations go out the window..

and do you think somailland is like iraq in 1990?
do you think that we will sit tight and wait while the enemy has a troop buildup on our borders?

The fall of puntland means somaliland troops inside puntland immedietly..

actually the fall of puntland would be not be possible because we will be involved inside puntland with or without the permission of puntland.

all in all this is a fantasy scenario ,
by those who need to satisfy their hatred of somaliland, by engaging in idle fantasy therapeutically.

[The_Emperior5]

I always knew ina dhoolayare was a great man and good politician, i think he was the best fm we ever had. He is now a key political advisor of president silver kiir of south sudan.. He is one of my fav guys in the former udub regime.

[gurey25]

sorry correcttion even in the event of somaliland breakdown it is still not feasible.
this is because isaaq subclans are still heavier armed man to man than most clans in somalia.

peace and harmony in the country hides the fact that we love our weapons..

it took as long us 2001 for my clan to finally give up its Tanks and Artillary to the central government, even though we agreed to do it in 1996.

[Somalistan]

A couple of merexaan junkies would know about sleeper cells in SL then an Isaaq man himself. don't buy into the hype there are no sleeper cells in Somaliland. If there are, it's an overestimation on your part and they are probably not enough to facilitate defeat of the isaaq empire. Everyone in Somaliland sees Al shabab for what they really are, brainless extermists with no real agenda to govern other than to chop the limps of the weak. The only reason they control your lands is not because people love 'em and welcome there, but because of fear. In Somaliland, we have the strengh and man power to defend ourselves.

Let this be my last utterance, if ASWJ gave them ass whopping with far less resources, what makes you think Somaliland with tens of thousands of well armed regular army and miltias wouldnt' be able to deliver same spanking? Use your logic people.

[gurey25]

somalistan..
ask around.. i am sure you will know some one in your family that is in the security services..
its an open secret..

the good news is that they are under observation, since the bombings in hargiesa

[hargaysaay]

sorry correcttion even in the event of somaliland breakdown it is still not feasible.
this is because isaaq subclans are still heavier armed man to man than most clans in somalia.

peace and harmony in the country hides the fact that we love our weapons..

it took as long us 2001 for my clan to finally give up its Tanks and Artillary to the central government, even though we agreed to do it in 1996.