Is Somaliland a Politically Failure?

[galia]

I think so.

Have they achieved recognition these past twenty years, even the newly found TFG in Mogadishu is politically out manovaring these Idoors.

There grandparants made a union with Somalia in 1960, so to break a union is something thats HARD.

My advice to idoors is GROW up and just sit down with your somali brothers in Mogadishu and lets just TALK.
If you idoors convince us about the recognition thing then we just might sign the papers for your recognition. Otherwise isolation would lead to another twenty years of going nowhere

[The_Emperior5]

galia go worry about Puntlanders dominating you instead being focused on Somaliland, Faroole is heading for Mogadisho 2012

[ToughGong]

Waar waxani maxey aheyd

[galia]

galia go worry about Puntlanders dominating you instead being focused on Somaliland, Faroole is heading for Mogadisho 2012

I don't have to worry about Puanis because

1) they are cowards
2) they can't fight
3) they don't and can't occupy any Hawiye lands

But i am laughing as to why idoors occupy harti lands in Sool, Snaag and Cayn

[The_Emperior5]

Galia the Parliament will be back to Normal around 220 i think and in 2012 there will be a selection of a new president the darood and hawiye have the same amount of seats in the parliament. They want to be selected they might bribe some of the Abgaal some of the dir and rahanweyn and there you go you have a new majeerteen president he does not need to occupy you with force he will just use the Amisom the same way sharif does. Keep in mind they have a whole semi autonomous region that supports them financially Military Morally.

[galia]

Galia the Parliament will be back to Normal around 220 i think and in 2012 there will be a selection of a new president the darood and hawiye have the same amount of seats in the parliament. They want to be selected they might bribe some of the Abgaal some of the dir and rahanweyn and there you go you have a new majeerteen president he does not need to occupy you with force he will just use the Amisom the same way sharif does. Keep in mind they have a whole semi autonomous region that supports them financially Military Morally.

But you also have to bear in mind that there are powerful external powers out there who now want to see a stable/popular gov in Mogadishu.
Only by the support of the Hawiye clan can a Gov in Mogadishu thrive. So they way they skillfully placed Sheikh Shariff in 2009, they would again ensure that a Hawiye figure or someone popular like Farmajoo would become president.

[The_Emperior5]

Galia the Parliament will be back to Normal around 220 i think and in 2012 there will be a selection of a new president the darood and hawiye have the same amount of seats in the parliament. They want to be selected they might bribe some of the Abgaal some of the dir and rahanweyn and there you go you have a new majeerteen president he does not need to occupy you with force he will just use the Amisom the same way sharif does. Keep in mind they have a whole semi autonomous region that supports them financially Military Morally.

But you also have to bear in mind that there are powerful external powers out there who now want to see a stable/popular gov in Mogadishu.
Only by the support of the Hawiye clan can a Gov in Mogadishu thrive. So they way they skillfully placed Sheikh Shariff in 2009, they would again ensure that a Hawiye figure or someone popular like Farmajoo would become president.

Do you know what Puntland political elites were doing since 2008 2009 2010 2011 lobbying in western countries Particularly in the united states that Somalia needs full federalism installed and only Puntland expanding their good governance in the rest of Somalia can achieve long lasting peace and stability, Several US senetors visited Garowe the past two years imagine what they were discussing. Sharif is from Jawhar his administration doesn't reach Jawhar ofcourse Mogadisho is under the TFG now that's a start but his foundation is just the TFG whilst a puntland leader is from Constituency that fully backs him. Keep in mind the division with in the Hawiye ranks. Why do you think Puntland held the conference in Garowe its to show the world and the rest of the international Community that Puntland is doing all to help Somalia and only with Puntland leadership that can be achieved. Now Puntlanders are smart ofcourse when a hawiye is the president of the TFG they wont send their army to fight against Alshabaab that would be foolish but they support it just lip service say they are with sharif and his govt. when farmaajo was the prime minister puntland cut all ties with the TFG. Galia the only way to stop Puntland influence in Xamar is for you to support Somaliland quest for recognition keep in mind Somaliland border is 8 km from bosaaso 5 km from garowe. This will create new tensions that Puntland cant fight a border dispute with Somaliland and at the same time have big influence in Xamar but you're leaders do not understand that they see Somaliland as a threat to their interest which is not the case some of the TFG ministers understand that like the current TFG interior minister said that Somaliland should be recognized. Ismacil cumar geele of Djibouti wants to help you he wants to host the next conference in Xamar but Puntland is fighting that and who knows the next conference might be held some where else. Farmaajo is a good deal who loves the interest of the south he is not liked in garowe time will tell Galia

[FBISOMALIA]

hawiya + idoor = darood hate

why that cause we rule the both ha nolatoo daroood

[galia]

Galia the Parliament will be back to Normal around 220 i think and in 2012 there will be a selection of a new president the darood and hawiye have the same amount of seats in the parliament. They want to be selected they might bribe some of the Abgaal some of the dir and rahanweyn and there you go you have a new majeerteen president he does not need to occupy you with force he will just use the Amisom the same way sharif does. Keep in mind they have a whole semi autonomous region that supports them financially Military Morally.

But you also have to bear in mind that there are powerful external powers out there who now want to see a stable/popular gov in Mogadishu.
Only by the support of the Hawiye clan can a Gov in Mogadishu thrive. So they way they skillfully placed Sheikh Shariff in 2009, they would again ensure that a Hawiye figure or someone popular like Farmajoo would become president.

Do you know what Puntland political elites were doing since 2008 2009 2010 2011 lobbying in western countries Particularly in the united states that Somalia needs full federalism installed and only Puntland expanding their good governance in the rest of Somalia can achieve long lasting peace and stability, Several US senetors visited Garowe the past two years imagine what they were discussing. Sharif is from Jawhar his administration doesn't reach Jawhar ofcourse Mogadisho is under the TFG now that's a start but his foundation is just the TFG whilst a puntland leader is from Constituency that fully backs him. Keep in mind the division with in the Hawiye ranks. Why do you think Puntland held the conference in Garowe its to show the world that Puntland is doing all to help Somalia and only with Puntland leadership that can be achieved. Now Puntlanders are smart ofcourse when a hawiye is the president of the TFG they wont send their army to fight against Alshabaab that would be foolish but they support it just lip service say they are with sharif and his govt. when farmaajo was the prime minister puntland cut all ties with the TFG. Galia the only way to stop Puntland influence in Xamar is for you to support Somaliland quest for recognition keep in mind Somaliland border is 8 km from bosaaso 5 km from garowe. This will create new tensions that Puntland can fight a border dispute with Somaliland and at the same time have big influence in Xamar but you're leaders do not understand that they see Somaliland as a threat to their interest which is not the case some of the TFG ministers understand that like the current TFG interior minister said that Somaliland should be recognized. Ismacil cumar geele of Djibouti wants to help you he wants to host the next conference in Xamar but Puntland is fighting that and who knows the next conference might be held some where else. Farmaajo is a good deal who loves the interest of the south he is not liked in garowe time will tell Galia

AY has already flopped the west and embarrassed them plus the popular guy formula that they are already using is now working well. So the whole notion of a dhabalif Mj being forcefully placed in Mog and protected by Amisom is ridiculous

US, Britain are not stupid, they do understand that for the TFG to continue to remain popular that the majority should have a say as to who becomes the president. Mjs do not fit this criteria and them having talks in the back alleys with low level officials means shiit because at the end of the day they are just a minority and have zero influence, political clout in the south.
Britain will be holding a conference for somalia in Feb, they have already openly talked about the possibility of training the TFG army in Mogadishu themselves.
Hawiye has chosen to build an alliance with AMISOM because we believe that is in our interest and the interest of somalia at large

[The_Emperior5]

Actually Cabdilahi Yusuf did well under his TFG there was insurgency but he had fully control of Bay and Bakool regions plus jawhar with the help of Maxammad dhere and several hawiye warlords. and parts of Mogadisho and his Fiefdom Puntland but the problem with Cabdilahi yusuf he could not hold the peace and that allowed nuur ade and many hawiye Politicians convinced the west that his man needs to go and as long as the ethios are there there can't be peace but keep in Mind Puntland is convincing the world that sharif is a former islamist and didn't deliver what was expected from him since his time as president he doesn't rule his traditional tribal homeland. The only reason the state department approved sharif as the next leader was because he was a former isamist and can use that to bring his former students that failed. The best way the hawiyes can do is change the leadership of sharif with another Hawiye in 2012 and prime minister from gedo region or bay bakool that can pull of but you need to work allot since the parliament is now equal to all the clans 4.5 hawiye dir darod rahanweyn have all equal seats in the Parliament.

[galia]

hawiya + idoor = darood hate

why that cause we rule the both ha nolatoo daroood

Idoors occupy by Harti Darood land aka Sool, Sanaag and Cayn


One last important point for Emperior. You said that Hawiye recognsiing Somaliland would be beneficial in the sense that Mjs would concentrate on the harti darood lands idoors have annexed as part of Somaliland

First of all you have to realize that

1) External powers such as Ethiopia/Eritrea/Kenya are more of a threat to us than Mjs
2) A unrecognized Somaliland admin would create more of a tension in the sense that Dhulbaante, Awdal would test idoors more, this way Mjs would probably get involved, in the sense of aiding dhulbante
3) A recognized Somaliland could be more of a threat to the stability of Mogadishu, i mean who knows

[The_Emperior5]

Why would Somaliland be a threat to Mogadisho that does not make sense at all , puntland does not want to see Somaliland break away because they believe they will lose political leverage in Somalia their harti cousins in Somaliland can never support them politically We have defeated the Puntlanders in and they don't claim any more parts of our territory.

[The_Emperior5]

I will give you an example

Somalia: Puntland Condemns Somaliland Leader’s Provocative Visit

The leader of Somaliland’s separatist administration, in northwestern Somalia, has visited military positions in parts of Sool region of Puntland.

Sool and Sanaag regions are part of Puntland State of Somalia. Since October 2007, Somaliland forces have occupied Las Anod town against the wishes of the local population. Regrettably, it is Somaliland’s occupation that has triggered extremists to operate in those regions by benefiting from local grievances.

The Somaliland leader, Mr. Ahmed Mohamed Mohamud (Silanyo), visited Las Anod town and reached approximately 18km from the Puntland defense line at Tukaraq town in Sool region.

We urge Somali neighbors, regional powers and the wider international community to note Somaliland’s provocation against Puntland, which might ignite a conflict and destabilize the region.

[The_Emperior5]

Read this

http://horufadhi.com/2011/11/18/tfg-min ... an-hassan/

[galia]

Actually Cabdilahi Yusuf did well under his TFG there was insurgency but he had fully control of Bay and Bakool regions plus jawhar with the help of Maxammad dhere and several hawiye warlords. and parts of Mogadisho and his Fiefdom Puntland but the problem with Cabdilahi yusuf he could not hold the peace and that allowed nuur ade and many hawiye Politicians convinced the west that his man needs to go and as long as the ethios are there there can't be peace but keep in Mind Puntland is convincing the world that sharif is a former islamist and didn't deliver what was expected from him since his time as president he doesn't rule his traditional tribal homeland. The only reason the state department approved sharif as the next leader was because he was a former isamist and can use that to bring his former students that failed. The best way the hawiyes can do is change the leadership of sharif with another Hawiye in 2012 and prime minister from gedo region or bay bakool that can pull of but you need to work allot since the parliament is now equal to all the clans 4.5 hawiye dir darod rahanweyn have all equal seats in the Parliament.

Your making us seem as if we are isolated from the world. Let me tell you something, we had the prime minister of Turkey and his cabinet come to Mogadishu. We had a Saudi billionaire prince come to Mogadishu and lastly we had general secretary of the UN Mr Ban Ki MOON come to Mogadishu.
AY could not hold the TFG even though he had 60, 000 Ethiopians and 7, 000 Amsiom troops. We are holding the TFG with just only 9, 000 Amsiom troops. The international community can understand this obvious thing.

This day the Hawiye clan fully supports the TFG