Is Somaliland a Politically Failure?

[The_Emperior5]

Galia here is where you go wrong you see the TFG as something for hawiye the international community sees it as the government of Somalia now hawiye has the biggest leverage since they are the largest clan in Somalia and dominate the southern part of Somalia. But you have to acknowledge that many hawiyes still support the terrorist who are the fighters of Alshabaab some hawiyes some foreign fighters some rahanweyn the TFG NEEDS TO DISMANTLE ALSHABAAB BY TALKING TO THEM AND FULLY INCORPORATE THEM or let them defect from the Alshabaab . Yes the world leaders will visit in Mogadisho since things are changing on the ground and alshabaab are being weakened in southern Somalia but its still not finished u need a strong foundation to operate from eventually the TFG will succeed but u need to let it succeed and have full coverage of the land than no one can dispute you're authority you understand what i am saying.

[galia]

Why would Somaliland be a threat to Mogadisho that does not make sense at all , puntland does not want to see Somaliland break away because they believe they will lose political leverage in Somalia their harti cousins in Somaliland can never support them politically We have defeated the Puntlanders in and they don't claim any more parts of our territory.

Somaliland is an Admin that is loyal only to idoors, so why should my people trust them?
Every dog for himself, When the Mj dhabolifs came with their ethiopians masters to Mog, how was your reaction back then, how was the reaction of the SL admin? They had no care

Faced with genocide, my people ducked their heads and just kept fighting for the rights, murdering dhablifs and their ethiopian masters day and night until the city washed with blood.

When the Kahwariij alliagned with our enmies came for us, did you not support them verbally. Laugh at the dead mother and child they blew each day. Yet by Allah we were patient, fighting the Khawariij fist for fist until we liberated all of Mogadishu in Aug 2011

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[The_Emperior5]

When the Xabashis were invading Mogadisho it was president Siilaanyo in 2007 who fully was against the ethiopian invasion in Xamar How many people form you're clan live in Somaliland and live their in dignity and are well established oromos are being deported from Somaliland but hawiye Somalis are not heck even Ogadeni darods were being deported in the past but never Hawiyes, The iidoors since the history of Somalis have never fought against hawiye never did they do them wrong nor did the hawiyes did the iidoors wrong.Its was president Siilaanyo again in 2011 who said that the Terrorists in Xamar need to be fought and at the same time Somalias sovereignty must be protected from neighboring countries ethiopia and kenya. So tell me how come you do not trust us Just because we not support you're TFG it does not mean we have something against hawiyes in general. TFG is an entity that tries To Claim our Country as part of Somalia and that tries to call us dirt woyoyi Something we are opposed and is an insult to our clan,but that does not mean we have something against Hawiye. if tfg tomorow stops saying Somaliland is part of their TFG and all of that nonsense we can be the best friends ever Heck we might even send a battalion to fight against Alshabaab

[galia]

Galia here is where you go wrong you see the TFG as something for hawiye the international community sees it as the government of Somalia now hawiye has the biggest leverage since they are the largest clan in Somalia and dominate the southern part of Somalia. But you have to acknowledge that many hawiyes still support the terrorist who are the fighters of Alshabaab some hawiyes some foreign fighters some rahanweyn the TFG NEEDS TO DISMANTLE ALSHABAAB BY TALKING TO THEM AND FULLY INCORPORATE THEM or let them defect from the Alshabaab . Yes the world leaders will visit in Mogadisho since things are changing on the ground and alshabaab are being weakened in southern Somalia but its still not finished u need a strong foundation to operate from eventually the TFG will succeed but u need to let it succeed and have full coverage of the land than no one can dispute you're authority you understand what i am saying.

We now successfully control all of Mogadishu, inshallah we are now building the strength, organization of our armed forces, training our men to become professional soldiers rather than militias. We will break out of Mogadishu as soon as our logistical capabilities are set, for now are targets would be Afgoye, Marka, Jowhar.
Merehan/Ogaden allies in the far south with the Kenyans are in position to take Kismayo after already taking over Gedo and much of the Jubba regions.



The majority of Hawiye support the TFG, only a small minority support Al-shabab. Just tell me one hawiye somalinet poster who supports Al-shabab and i'll give you a hundred and so Daroods iyo Idoors who do.

[The_Emperior5]

That's good waleh training Military personal and army so that they can replace the Amisom in the next coming year that's something very positive Galia

[galia]

When the Xabashis were invading Mogadisho it was president Siilaanyo in 2007 who fully was against the ethiopian invasion in Xamar How many people form you're clan live in Somaliland and live their in dignity and are well established oromos are being deported from Somaliland but hawiye Somalis are not heck even Ogadeni darods were being deported in the past but never Hawiyes, The iidoors since the history of Somalis have never fought against hawiye never did they do them wrong nor did the hawiyes did the iidoors wrong.Its was president Siilaanyo again in 2011 who said that the Terrorists in Xamar need to be fought and at the same time Somalias sovereignty must be protected from neighboring countries ethiopia and kenya. So tell me how come you do not trust us Just because we not support you're TFG it does not mean we have something against hawiyes in general. TFG is an entity that tries To Claim our Country as part of Somalia and that tries to call us dirt woyoyi Something we are opposed and is an insult to our clan,but that does not mean we have something against Hawiye. if tfg tomorow stops saying Somaliland is part of their TFG and all of that nonsense we can be the best friends ever Heck we might even send a battalion to fight against Alshabaab

Let me tell you something, you were born in Mogadishu. We warmly welcomed your parents in Mogadishu before the war.
So telling us that we've never been treated like the Oromos is disgusting, such a comparison should never even be mentioned.
I know you personally long enough that you were cheering for the HIV Tigrays when my brothers and sisters were dying out there fighting for their future, just as much as the Mj's were cheering.

[The_Emperior5]

I never supported xabashis in Xamar or in any other Somali territory

When i lived in xamar was a time when Somaliland and Somalia were united under one country and govt and back them Xamar was not a Clan city but the Capital of the Somali people Xamar was never called in the past the capital city of Somalia it was called caasimada Umada Somaliyeed the Capital of the Somali people.

Galia do you not support the ethiopians in galguduud right now and kenyans in the lower juba you are the one who supports Xabashis not me i have never supported The Xabashis

[galia]

I never supports xabashis in Xamar or in any other Somali territory

Yeah right. I have been a somali-net member for years and i know where everyone stood a couple of years back then.
You were really annoying back then for praising the HIV Tigray whilst my brothers and sisters dying to liberate the country.
So i was thinking to myself back then wheres the old Hawiye: Isaac friendship, how could emperior an isaac be so callous towards HAWIYE. What have we done to deserve this yet it was all just your indifference to our sad plight in 2007.

At-least you weren't as worse as the Mjs who were partying with the Tigrays whilst we faced Genocide
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If the west treats SL as a somali province than what can i say

[The_Emperior5]

Galia you are not answering my question why do you support kenyan and ethios in Somalia now , first of all its you're own fault what abdilahi Yusuf and the habashis did you selected or you're walords selected Abdilahi yusuf as their president, Did you really think Abdilahi Yusuf loves you're Clan Abdilahi Yusuf wanted to break your clan in particularly the habergedir and he had Habargedir Ministers and Militia fighting for him its a shame. Somalilanders were opposed to the habashi invasion Somalilanders never liked Abdilahi Yusuf that's something very clear, but what you galia what you want is you want me to support you and you do not want to return the favor that's not how it works things can work out based on mutual interest, you are opposed to Somalilands independence and bid for statehood. But you support puntland secession from Somalia i have to say u are very confused galia You really lost it you do not know who is you're enemy and who is you're friend.

[galia]

Galia you are not answering my question why do you support kenyan and ethios in Somalia now , first of all its you're own fault what abdilahi Yusuf and the habashis did you selected or you're walords selected Abdilahi yusuf as their president, Did you really think Abdilahi Yusuf loves you're Clan Abdilahi Yusuf wanted to break your clan in particularly the habergedir and he had Habargedir Ministers and Militia fighting for him its a shame. Somalilanders were opposed to the habashi invasion Somalilanders never liked Abdilahi Yusuf that's something very clear, but what you galia what you want is you want me to support you and you do not want to return the favor that's not how it works things can work out based on mutual interest, you are opposed to Somalilands independence and bid for statehood. But you support puntland secession from Somalia i have to say u are very confused galia You really lost it you do not know who is you're enemy and who is you're friend.

What you have to understand is that there are external powers out there for what every reason do not wish to see the break up of Somalia. No matter how Isaac, Darood or Hawiye feel.
So if i hypothetically wish Puntland to break away from Somalia, i know at the back of my head it won't happen even if Puanis agree because the external powers won't have it.
Somalia today, at best could be considered to be under the wings of foreign entities, on par with this clans have formed alliances with these powers so that the country could stablise.

[The_Emperior5]

So now its the west that is opposed to it EU and the US countries they would welcome Somaliland recognition if its done through the African Union Practically the former Somali republic Somaliland And Somalia is already divided its just not officially. Keep in you're Mind Galia those that want you to fight among you're self are the one who love to share a country with you the more hawiyes dead the less hawiye for them and the better for them to move into you're house in Xamar and rule it. i am not interested in Coming to Mogadisho or to rule you but there are people who want to rule you and they will not rest till they do. The EU helps Somaliland it funds Somaliland coast guards it gives it aid everything is practically independent on our turf. Just last week the Eu gave Somaliland 31 Million Dollars in Aid. Everything can be broken Galia Yugoslavia is divided in 7 countries now Sudan is divided Eritrea and Ethiopia is divided now. Its just because there is no Government in Somalia that fully controls its territory the west wants to milk it because kenya and Ethiopia benefit from you're turmoil.

[galia]

So now its the west that is opposed to it EU and the US countries they would welcome Somaliland recognition if its done through the African Union Practically the former Somali republic Somaliland And Somalia is already divided its just not officially. Keep in you're Mind Galia those that want you to fight among you're self are the one who love to share a country with you the more hawiyes dead the less hawiye for them and the better for them to move into you're house in Xamar and rule it. i am not interested in Coming to Mogadisho or to rule you but there are people who want to rule you and they will not rest till they do. The EU helps Somaliland it funds Somaliland coast guards it gives it aid everything is practically independent on our turf. Just last week the Eu gave Somaliland 31 Million Dollars in Aid. Everything can be broken Galia Yugoslavia is divided in 7 countries now Sudan is divided Eritrea and Ethiopia is divided now. Its just because there is no Government in Somalia that fully controls its territory the west wants to milk it because kenya and Ethiopia benefit from you're turmoil.

The west is strongly opposed to SL breakaway from Somalia, in the sense that Somaliland has no mineral wealth and oil/gas to the extent of the vast amounts anticipated in South Somalia.
Besides Awdal which is a part of Somaliland is voicing strong support for Somalia's unity coupled with Dhubaante fighters who've named themselves as SSC, soon to wage a guerrilla war.
Somaliland times has reported that the EU will give 27.7 million to the somaliland admin, however i would take that as just the old Somaliland times propaganda.
EU say's it gives the republic of Somalia $600 million a year and yet we don't see a dime of it, so bear that in mind.

[gurey25]

the $27 million is real, i have family and friends lobbying and bidding on contracts right now in hargiesa.

[The_Emperior5]

Galia you are getting it wrong against Somalilands Recognition the west is pretty indifferent it doesn't really harm their interest nor does it harm nor does it threaten their allies. The west allready Maintains unofficial diplomatic relations with Somaliland As for ssc its a party within Somaliland now and days you have not been updated quiet well these days two weeks ago the mayor and deputy mayor and bunch of ssc fighters defected to Somaliland.

Wikeleaks

4. (SBU/NF) Several think tank analysts thought that Zimbabwe should and will remain a top priority for the UK, but that HMG’s history of bombastic statements has only served to solidify President Mugabe’s status as a colonial liberation leader and rallied South Africa’s unwavering support. From a strategic perspective, these analysts termed the USG’s focus on Zimbabwe as “surprising” because Zimbabwe is not a threat, but largely a contained crisis. They said that Zimbabwe’s crisis should be treated as a regional issue, not an international one, and that the USG should not sacrifice it’s relations with South Africa, the more strategic partner, over Zimbabwe, even if the political events in Zimbabwe run contrary to the USG’s democracy agenda. They recommended the international community take a “tough and quiet” approach to Mugabe and ZANU-PF, sanctioning and obstructing their personal freedoms but without commenting publicly. They asserted that the international community’s concern about Zimbabwe being a regional destabilizer is largely unfounded, as most of the Southern Africa Development Community (SADC) – especially South Africa – “can take of themselves.”

Somalia

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5. (SBU/NF) Given the UK’s history, the large number of Somali Diaspora in the UK, and the real security threats that community may present to the UK, think tank security specialists thought Somalia should be more of a priority for HMG. HMG, they argued, should be more innovative on Somalia policy, focusing on local community engagement and finding humanitarian and social initiatives where material benefit can be derived without deployment of an excessively large peacekeeping force. The RUSI Africa specialist said HMG and the USG’s previous entry point to Somalia was through Ethiopia. With the withdrawal of Ethiopian troops, a new entry point should be found quickly. He thought both IGAD and the AU could serve in this capacity. He also asserted that recognition of Somaliland should be considered to allow it access to international mechanisms for development and capacity support, as well as to support its democratic development in the face of increasing Islamic militant pressures.

6. (C/NF) Embassy comment. Cabinet office officials have told us that they consider Somalia a serious security concern, but they have not been able to induce other HMG departments to move on it, in large part because of the failure of the HMG process to set Africa priorities. HMG’s budget crunch also seems to be hindering the decision-making process (ref D). End comment.

[gurey25]

Galia you cannot put the blame on the International Community,

The EU and US are neutral they do not support it, nor are they against it.
Most of the AU are pro somaliland, and will not oppose recognition, well except Djibouti maybe..

Egypt was the one activley fighting Somaliland interest in the Arab League and the AU,
but that was mubaraks regime, the new government has changed its tune and has invited our foriegn minister for the first time,
Egypt will also be buying livestock from us soon.

Ali Abdullah saleh is also gone, and Yemen has no somalia policy anymore.