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Somaliland borders Are Unalterable ...

Postby LaY-D_LicK » Mon Mar 12, 2012 10:06 pm

The officials and surrogates of defacto Puntland Administration of Somalia routinely claim in the media that Somaliland Borders are "Colonial Borders". This blind, habitual denial of Somaliland Republic borders indicates that these individuals are either ignorant of the historical origin of the current borders of African states or intentionally mislead listeners for obsessively pursuing unattainable clan-based statehood that does not exist in Africa or elsewhere.
The United Nations, African Union, or African States did not draw or make the current borders of African States. All the border s of African independent states had been drawn by the colonial powers of Europe at the end of the 19th century, mainly during The Partition of Africa held in Berlin in 1884. The statehood, independence, and diplomatic recognition of each African State today are based on its own colonial demarcations or borders. Likewise, all the borders of the Arab World, Asia, and South America also emerged from colonial borders drawn mainly by Britain , France and Spain.
Similarly, the statehood, independence, and the expected diplomatic recognition of Somaliland Republic are based on its own colonial borders drawn during British Somaliland Protectorate era. In the East, Somaliland border runs along Growe and Bosaso. In the West, it runs along Lowya'addo. In the South, Somaliland shares border with Ethiopia. And in the North, Somaliland border runs along the Red Sea.
The borders of Somalia , Somaliland, and Djibouti have the same international status and legitimacy because they were all drawn by European Colonial powers. Anyone who opposes the legitimacy of Somaliland borders, its statehood, its independence, and its diplomatic recognition is challenging the borders and sovereignty of all African independent states (54 states) whose borders rose from their colonial borders or demarcations.
Borders are not based on tribes but based only on land. There are no tribal borders or tribal states in Africa or in this world and there will never be one. There are only national borders of states whose nations make-up consists of many or several tribes that share common borders and sovereignty. The following African Tribes clearly show of how African clans are distributed over different countries. The inhabitance or residence of some African clans is as follows:

- Fulani Tribe: This tribe inhabits in Mali, Nigeria, Niger, Chad, Cameroon etc.
- Tuareg Tribe : This tribe has inhabitance in Senegal, Nigeria, Mali, Niger etc.
- Lunda Tribe: This tribe inhabits in Congo, Zambia, and Angola.
- Yoruba Tribe: This tribe has inhabitance in Nigeria, Benin, and Togo.
- Maasai Tribe: This tribe resides in Kenya, and Tanzania.
- Afar Tribe: This tribe inhabits in Ethiopia, Eritrea, and Djibouti.
- Berber Tribe: This tribe has inhabitance in Morroco, Tunisia, Libya, Algeria.
- Isaaq Tribe: This tribe inhabits in Somaliland, Ethiopia, Kenya, Djibouti.
- Gadabuursi Tribe: This tribe inhabits in Somaliland, Ethiopia, and Djibouti.
- Hawiye Tribe: This tribe inhabits in Somalia, Kenya, and Ethiopia.
- Darood Tribe: This tribe inhabits in Somalia, Somaliland, Kenya, Ethiopia.
- Rahanwein Tribe: This tribe has inhabitance in Somalia, Ethiopia, and Kenya.
- Essa Tribe: This tribe inhabits in Djibouti, Ethiopia, and Somaliland.
- Gabooye Tribe: This tribe inhabits in Somaliland, Somalia, Ethiopia.
All other continents have also tribes and clans similar to Africa who have inhabitance in different countries. The internal security and peace of Africa rest on respecting, recognizing, and implementing its current borders that rose from colonial borders. If an African country would claim the tribe and its land located in another African Country, the continent would fall to endless devastating, bloody clan wars, violence and anarchy. The African continent would not exist as we know it today.
Some people confuse Somaliland Republic with Puntland Region of Somalia for either not knowing the history of Somalis or for irrational political reasons. Puntland is an integral, inseparable part of Somalia because it is located within Somalia's historical borders with which Somalia achieved independence on July 1st, 1960 from Italy while Somaliland Republic emerged from British Somaliland Protectorate and achieved separately its independence from Britain on June 26, 1960. Somaliland Republic has undeniable rights to claim independence, statehood, and recognition based on its own unique borders while Puntland can not have such rights because it is part of Somalia and shares borders and nationhood with it.
Somaliland and Somalia are not the first two countries in this world whose union ceased to exist. The Soviet Union that had 15 Socialist Republics created by the Bolshevik Revolution led by Lenin in 1917 broke up after social upheavals and political discontent ended its existence peacefully in 1989 with new countries emerging from it such as Georgia, Ukraine, Armenia, Uzbekistan, Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia etc. They are all recognized by the UN and international community on the basis of their original borders existing before the union. The federation of former Republic of Yugoslavia that had 8 countries broke up too after bloody civil wars between 1991-1995 and new countries such as Serbia, Croatia , Bosnia-Herzegovina, Macedonia, Slovenia, Kosovo etc emerged from its ashes. All are recognized diplomatically too for their original borders existing before the federation.
This shows that the unity among countries that share a union is not sacred anymore if they disagree but the unity within a country like Somaliland, Djibouti, Somalia, Tanzania , Uganda etc is sacred because each country is bound together by its own national borders inherited from colonial powers that reflect its statehood and nationhood.
Some Somalis believe that Somaliland can not withdraw from the union with Somalia claiming that Somalis share language, religion, color, and culture. If this claim were true for achieving union, the Arab World which has nearly 17 independent countries such as Algeria, Bahrain, Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Morocco, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Tunisia, United Arab Emirates, Yemen, and Sudan and that also share language, religion, culture, and color would not have separate independent sates. They do not have any federal or union for disagreeing to share one. Only justice and fair power-sharing are the most important factors for a union to survive and that is what Somalia failed to understand in the years of the union.
Independent Republic of Somaliland was the first to pioneer the unification between Somaliland and Somalia on July 1, 1960 in quest for Greater Somalia in the Horn of Africa. The union was doomed after Somalia hijacked the governments for the thirty years of its existence (1960-1990) and then committed atrocities against Somaliland people when they rebelled against injustices and humiliation perpetrated against them.
The idea of "Greater Somalia" emerged in the middle of the Second World War [1939-1945] and the main objective was to liberate the five Somali Territories and bring them together under the same banner and government in the Horn of Africa. That idea of "Greater Somalia" (Somaliweyn) is as elusive as "Greater Arab" today and no one knows when it will come true. Only Somaliland and Somalia do not constitute "Greater Somalia" excluding the other three ( 3 ) Somalis. Many who were responsible for the atrocities in Somaliland are calling today for the restoration of the failed union that they ruined just for opportunistic reasons. Somaliland people will not be deceived again with false umbrella of "Greater Somalia" to restore the doomed union. Non-existent "Greater Somalia" will not be used again for cover up to make Somaliland heaven destination for the other four (4) Somalis, and its people will not be victimized again by refugees ruling their land. Somaliland belongs to Somalilanders and will remain so.
The Somaliland Congress held in Burao on May 18, 1991 unanimously proclaimed the withdrawal of Somaliland from the union with Somalia and reclaimed its independence of June 26, 1960 naming itself Somaliland Republic.The referendum held in Somaliland on May 31st, 2001 reaffirmed Somaliland independence from Somalia with 97% in favor of Somaliland sovereignty. Somaliland, as any African state, has the right to be diplomatically recognized by the United Nations and international community for its own unique borders that rose from British Somaliland Protectorate borders.
Somaliland Republic will only discuss future relations with a government of Somalia ( Former Italian Territory ) which is democratically elected and which represents and controls the entire people and territory of Somalia. Somaliland will not meet with a government or parliament that includes individuals claiming to represent Somaliland. Any meeting or discussions with Somalia that does not fulfill these two conditions would violate the basics of Somaliland's sovereignty.
The TFG and Puntland of Somalia are strongly advised that the peace and good neighborly relations between Somaliland Republic and Somalia will only depend on respecting, recognizing, and implementing the border between Somaliland and Somalia. Somaliland will stay independent of Somalia, and Somaliland people will not throw their destiny away again but will defend it.
Somaliland Borders are unalterable as African Borders are.
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Re: Somaliland borders Are Unalterable ...

Postby AhmedBoqor » Mon Mar 12, 2012 11:28 pm

The officials and surrogates of defacto Puntland Administration of Somalia routinely claim in the media that Somaliland Borders are "Colonial Borders".
All the border s of African independent states had been drawn by the colonial powers of Europe at the end of the 19th century, mainly during The Partition of Africa held in Berlin in 1884.

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Re: Somaliland borders Are Unalterable ...

Postby original dervish » Tue Mar 13, 2012 3:08 am

typical sececssionist nonsense.
all these articles were written for a foreign audience, african and european.
now they`ve been told only xamar can firstly recognise you, they`re pissing themselves. :lol:

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Postby AMlion » Tue Mar 13, 2012 6:18 am

Good read :sland: :up:

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Re: Somaliland borders Are Unalterable ...

Postby LaY-D_LicK » Tue Mar 13, 2012 7:57 am

The officials and surrogates of defacto Puntland Administration of Somalia routinely claim in the media that Somaliland Borders are "Colonial Borders".
All the border s of African independent states had been drawn by the colonial powers of Europe at the end of the 19th century, mainly during The Partition of Africa held in Berlin in 1884.

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Its a very Interesting read ....

Somaliland is a very unique case as its not like Puntland whoms just a state within Somalia's Borders ...


Somaliland has official Borders of her own and was once her Own Nation and just wants to return to independance and dissolve the union with Somalia ... :up: :up: :sland:

If you deny Somaliland you deny most of Africa :o :lol: :mrgreen:



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Re: Somaliland borders Are Unalterable ...

Postby LaY-D_LicK » Tue Mar 13, 2012 7:59 am

typical sececssionist nonsense.
all these articles were written for a foreign audience, african and european.
now they`ve been told only xamar can firstly recognise you, they`re pissing themselves. :lol:
What are You talking about and who are you talking to? :shock:

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Re: Somaliland borders Are Unalterable ...

Postby SOM1960 » Tue Mar 13, 2012 8:03 am

If you deny Somaliland you deny most of Africa :o :lol: :mrgreen: [/color]


First of all what borders you have??

When you live on lies you can convince yourself of pretty much anything. Sececssionist propaganda :down:

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Postby LaY-D_LicK » Tue Mar 13, 2012 8:05 am

Call to recognise Somaliland by UK Independent Party (UKIP)

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LONDON - UKIP MEP, Godfrey Bloom has called for Britain to recognise the state of Somaliland.
Speaking after the Africa Minister Henry Bellingham, dismissed the issue at the London Somalia Conference this afternoon at the Chatham House. Bloom said, "For 15 years the people of Somaliland have shown that a stable multi-party democracy can exist in the Horn of Africa. We owe them the decency of recognition for their toil.
"The country is characterised by regularly contested pluralist elections. It has a decent and trustworthy legal system. It is free trading and peaceful.
"For goodness sake," he said, "it even locks up pirates when it gets hold of them. If we believe in self determination, which this government swears it does in the case of the Falklands and Gibraltar, then why on earth do we not accept the clear and present desire of the Somaliland people for self determination?
"The Commonwealth now accepts countries with no links to the UK, yet Somaliland was a British protectorate and isn't allowed even to be an observer at the tables of the Commonwealth. It is a sick charade.
"If we are serious about helping the peoples of the Horn of Africa to develop, and live in peace with each other and the rest of the world, then maybe, just maybe our Government should have the courage an, honour and gumption to admit Somaliland into the ranks of the nations of the world."

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Postby LaY-D_LicK » Tue Mar 13, 2012 8:10 am

It's time Somaliland was declared independent

Jeremy Sare (Guardian.co.uk)

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Saturday, 03 March 2012 21:46
By: Jeremy Sare (Guardian.co.uk)

The recent spate of piracy off Somalia's coast is yet another symptom of the country's collapse of stability and some of its peoples' intense desperation. Reports that the pirates or hijackers of the Ukrainian vessel had begun shooting each other formed a perfect microcosm of Somalia's brutal inner turmoil.
But in the northern half of the country, known as Somaliland, there is no such mayhem. Given its close proximity to the ravaged "failed state" of Somalia, it is astonishing that Somaliland should be stable, safe, democratic and largely crime-free.
To most people, Somalia is synonymous with bloody anarchy – simply one of the most dangerous places in the world. Only the few people with an active interest in the Horn of Africa seem aware of Somaliland's peaceful existence. The leading authority on the region since the 1950s is Professor Ioan Lewis – his book, Understanding Somalia and Somaliland, published in July, leads you to the conclusion. In comprehending the unending enigma of the Horn, one course of action is clear – the peaceful north must be allowed to declare independence from the endless chaos of the south.
That view is privately shared by many governments in Africa and in the wider world, but Somaliland's declared independence of 1991 is still yet to formally recognised by any nation and it remains an "invisible" country.
Diplomatic recognition is the perpetual obsession of the Somaliland government; without it, the country remains starved of foreign investment and aid. In all probability, it would take just one country, such the US, to move on the issue and the rest, with a handful of exceptions, would be bound to follow. However, none of the main players wants to be first, so they are engaged in a multiple "Mexican stand-off".
The few countries who openly oppose recognition (Egypt and Italy) argue "former colonial boundaries should not be redrawn". But Somalilanders agree. The country was a former British protectorate which became independent in 1960 and simultaneously joined in union with the former Italian colony of Somalia. By the mid-1980s the union was rapidly disintegrating; the mass bombing in 1988 of Somaliland's capital, Hargeisa, where 50,000 civilians were killed extinguished any thoughts of reconciliation.
The collective policy of finding a peaceful solution in the southern half of Somalia has not progressed even after 15 peace conferences in as many years. One Somali commentator called this apparently pointless exercise, "the policy of following a blind camel". A Senlis council report published in April says, "the international community needs to be reawakened from its torpor on Somaliland".
But Ted Dagne from Washington's congressional research service argues: "Somalia must develop a federal structure that gives regional autonomy." For the Somalilanders in the north this political theorem is plainly non-sensical. They see the failed union like two brothers who went into business together – while one brother was sober and hard-working, the other went off the rails, destroying the company's stock along with its reputation. Yet it is to the "reckless brother" the international community relentlessly turns to for a solution.
The Somaliland president Dahir Riyale Kahin visited the US in April in the hope of broadening support towards the goal of recognition. Somaliland has certainly passed any democratic test set by Washington in establishing a multi-party system, holding free and fair elections and upholding freedom of speech.
There is now a division of opinion at the top of the US government on this issue. Pentagon chief Robert Gates sees Somaliland as "an entity that works". But Dr Jendayi Frazer, second in command at the state department said: "The US will not take the first step to recognising Somaliland before the African Union."
A change of president in January may alter that position, or before that Bush may be persuaded that Somaliland recognition could be part of his "African legacy". The military see the strategic importance of having a base in the Gulf of Aden as a bulwark against al-Qaida and the deep-water port of Berbera could be ideal.
Ultimately, these are the factors which are likely to determine Somaliland's chances of gaining equal nation status under the UN and not its efforts, against the odds, to create a democratic and free society.
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Re: Somaliland borders Are Unalterable ...

Postby LaY-D_LicK » Tue Mar 13, 2012 8:48 am

If you deny Somaliland you deny most of Africa :o :lol: :mrgreen: [/color]


First of all what borders you have??
The World Must Recognize Somaliland On Its Historical Borders

With that I Mean the same borders that got independance in the 1960 and got recognized before we willfully joined The Failed state of Somalia ...

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Somaliland in Joining Somalia It was to Create a Greater Somalia ...

However That never materialized and the Somalilanders after the holocaust of 50 to 60 Thousand Somalilanders has dissolved its union with Somalia thus returning to ITS HISTORICAL BORDERS ..

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Postby union » Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:46 am

Somaliland borders dissolved permanently when it signed the acts of union with Southern Somalia. Permanent, indestructible and absolute. Somaliland will never break free. :lol:

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Postby qoraxeey » Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:56 am

Somaliland borders dissolved permanently when it signed the acts of union with Southern Somalia. Permanent, indestructible and absolute. Somaliland will never break free. :lol:

Inshallah they will never get their own country


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they belong to SOMALIA :som: :som: :som: :som: :som:

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Postby LaY-D_LicK » Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:11 am

And You guys are perfectly intitled to your opinions ...

Its a Free World ... :roll:

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Postby original dervish » Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:24 pm

you aint going nowhere, no matter how many gaalo you beg. :som:


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