Muxumed Liibaan Jadeer and Raage Ugaas and Xamar

[X.Playa]

Dude first of all its not me who stated Jadeer in thoese terms its by Goosh the polish author and poet , and wether he was popular in china or Xamar isn't the point the point is... since you argued he travlled all over Shilaabo how come he didn't mention your Raage Ugaas?

[The`Republic]

Discussion closed. Robecchi even visited as far north as Berbera in 1891.

His book was written in 1899; like I have been telling the title of his book does not mean Robecchi was only in today's Xamar but the man traveled throughout the Somali territories. Banadir was a well known name in Italy at that time to describe Somalia Italiana. That's why the title was that. Now do you understand why it is laughble to infer things just from the title of book like you have done?

[X.Playa]

What you quoted was even better and more evidence he sampled the entire somali land and recorded Jadeer to be a perminent poet , had he only gon to Berbera you would have claimed oh it was only Berbera, but you have just proved your contention wrong

[The`Republic]

No, I corrected you by showing you cannot infer information in a book by the book's title. A book has hundreds of pages which cannot be described by the book's title.

I didn't think I had to teach that because it is so grade school, but I was forced.

Now it seems like another lesson on context within a book needs to start. Do you understand what context means?

For example:

Book Context: The`Republic was a a most prolific contributor and sourch of vast number of information in the Gedo Section of Somalinet forums in the world wide wide.

Sourced Context: The'Republic is mentioned a prolific contributor in [insert Book].

Does that mean The`Republic was a prolific contributor in the world wide web? In Somalinet forums? Or Gedo Section?

You went from one bizarre to another bizarre!

[The`Republic]

B.S. I honestly think you need to read Robecchi's book. The guy considered Darod the cultural elite of Somalis to an extent even I found uncomfortable.

One thing I learned from Robecchi is that a Darod women's bridesprice was worth 66 goats, and women from other Somali clans were worth 33 goats.

[eliteSomali]

Xplay: do You have any poems from Jadeer?

[X.Playa]

B.S. I honestly think you need to read Robecchi's book. The guy considered Darod the cultural elite of Somalis to an extent even I found uncomfortable.

One thing I learned from Robecchi is that a Darod women's bridesprice was worth 66 goats, and women from other Somali clans were worth 33 goats.

Yes and those same Daarood told him Jadeer was the best poet. I just don't understand at all , what point you are trying to prove, that what?? the moment this author said that he was not in Banaadiir and that he was somewhere else? and lets say for the sake of argument he was among your Mareexaan describing them as the ancient Athenians, its still the same.. Jadeer was a great well known poet.

[X.Playa]

Xplay: do You have any poems from Jadeer?

He composed this one when some of his raiding warriors were killed during a raid .


Haddaan ooyo dumarkaan arkoo wax uma aabayso
Haddaan aamusnaadana qalbigu, ii askummi maayo
Haddaan igadhyo maalana anfaco, ku il samaan maayo
Haddaan ilaxidh seexdana hurdada, aad u ladi maayo.

Inta badan alleylkoo badh tegey alalad bay dhaafsha
Haddan Eegi dheer fuulo aan, ololo oon reemo
Oon uubateeyana raggii, iigu iman maayo.
Agab ba’ay aleeladaan jid marin, agabar jaan guura
Haddaan timaha oogtaa ka dhigo, adari boodh seexdo

Ardaal nacas ah naaguhuba, wayska ogolaadaane
Ina adhi jireed iyo mid aan, habartii awr loogin
Aakhiro ragii tagay haddaan, Eebe ka aqoodo
Haddii uun la dayn Nabiyadii, lama idleeyeene
Saw waxaan ilaawaba mid xumi, ima ogeysiiyo

This short lines with his life dual with Xirsi Boqon during a compitition in Berbera in mid 1860's.

Waxa gabaygii Xirsi ugu gooddiyayey Ina Jadeer ka mid ahaa;

Wiyil lama ragaadshoo naftaa lagala rooraaye
Aar lama rogaanrogo hadduu raari jiifsado'e
Maroodiga ninkii riix yidhaa waanu ridihayne
Badda uurka iga reemi baa ruuxa kaa jari'e

Muxumud Liibaan jadeer isla markiiba isagoon dhannaba eegin ayuu ka jawaabay gabaygii.
Gabaygaa jawaabta ah oo aannaan hayn waxa ka mid ahaa;

Wiyil lama ragaadshoo naftaa lagala rooraada
Hadaanaan rakadin mayadaa raxanka noo keentay
Aar lama rogaanrogo haduu raari jiifsadayda
Rabbi nama cadaabee warmaha raabax kaga yeelnay
Badda uurka iga reemi baa ruuxa kaa jarida

[guhad122]

Does anyone know an online version of this book in English?

[Siciid85]

Interesting topic. It might reminded me of when i saw several education centers in Mogadishu named after prominent Somaliland poets such as Cabdi Gahayr.


Bwt qofka goats iis leh ku faan goats ma wax lagu faano ba lol, goats are much lower in value than camels. Reer Waqooyi dhaqan hablaha waxa laga bixiiya
50 halad (geel), Perhap the goats for the bride thing was more widespread in Italian Somalia. Goats for the bride is also a Borana culture.

[X.Playa]

I milgliori di questi bardi s' incontrano fra i Marehan e sull' altipiano dell' Ogaden dove ho potuto maggiormente spigolare.

E celebre la memoria di Roghé Ugaz dell'Ogaden che pare non fosse soltanto un buon poeta, ma anche un valoroso soldato, perché morì combattendo, circa dieci anni or sono.

Aden Achmed Dubba degli Isaak, tribu Habr-Junis, vive ancora, sebben vecchio , presso Meth ed e conosciuto sotto l'appellativo di Gabbaj hogg, cioe il " forte poeta". Nella sua gioventu i di canti suscitarono grandi invidie fra i Raghe Ugaz, e, non poche volte, sanguinose e irreconciliabili inimicizie.

Dallab, pure delle tribu d'Isaak, rappresentano due splendide aurore, poiche,giovani ancora, hanno gia' fama di cantori provetti. Ha lasciato pur fama di buon improvvisatore Mohamed Liban Giader. eche mori or sono tre anni nella pienezza del suo vigore

From Google Translations :

The best of these bards meet between the Marehan and on the 'plateau of' Ogaden where I could glean more.

It celebrated the memory of ROGHE Ugaz Ogaden that he apparently was not only a good poet, but also a brave soldier, he died fighting, about ten years ago.

Aden Achmed Dubba of the Isaak, Habr-Junis tribes, still lives, although so old, and at Meth and known under the name of Gabbaj hogg, that the "strong poet." In his youth the songs aroused great envy among Raghe Ugaz, and, not infrequently, bloody and irreconcilable enmity.

From even the tribes of Isaak, are two beautiful auroras, since, still young, have already 'fame singers alike. He left while the reputation of good improviser Mohamed Liban Giader. who died three years ago in its full force

Somalia e Benadir:
viaggio di esplorazione nell'Africa orientale. Prima traversata della Somalia, compiuta per incarico della Societá geografica italiana. pp357, 1899.

[X.Playa]

So Raage Ugaaz died in 1889
Ina Jadeer died 1896

and GabayXoog died much later around 1912 just around the time he composed his poem againts the Warsangali.

[The`Republic]

I am not sure why Idaajaa and others did not record the poetic greats the Italian wrote about the Marehan. I don't have access to Jstor at the moment, but I remember coming across an entire epic from a Marehan poet that Robecchi recorded calling it what the Somalis considered the highest minstrel of the day. There are also a lot of poetry between taken place between the Marehan and the Ogaden from long ago that my mother memorized from her grandfather. I shall ask her to record some for me.

If I find that piece again soon, I will post the long epic recorded by Robecchi.

So Xplaya, now you have got your context I hope you will stop trying to make 1.) mythical distinction between Somalis and cultures...Somalis were very interrelated culture especially the Hawd groups before colonialism and there weren't distinctions about geography into north/south brought on post-colonialism and 2.) a book being titled Banadir does not signify Xamar of today.

[X.Playa]

You have not proven anything at , the point is these men were long famouse before your Kacaan uncle Afweyne and Idaajaa chose to seprate them and "state sponsor" one like Raage Ugaas and burry the rest. Wether they were famous in Xamar or not it besides the point and there is no reason to believe they were not your Mareexaan are as far away from both poets GabayXoog and Jadeer as Xamar its , so why your Mareexaan will know them and not Abgaa, utter non sense.

[X.Playa]

and by the way the book is online and there is no other mention of poems its only 2 pages.