Proposed Route For Ceerigaabo - Burco Road

[HooBariiska]

you niqqas considered rail?

[gurey25]

rail is even more expensive and time consuming.
at least twice as much, rail track costs over $250-$300 per tonne and you will need 250 tonnes per mile.
wait a minutes this is almost the same?? $22 as opposed to $20

fuck asphalt is expensive as hell, some gooey black stuff costs 60% as much as a manufactured steel rail?

maybe rail is a good idea after all, its more efficient.

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

Everybody starts somewhere even if it's just one road or railway line it's worth the investment. I don't see why this should be so hard. I mean think about it, how is it possible for countries to industrialise over a hundred years ago and we still can't build anything as basic as a road in the 21st century., I mean surely they met with the same problems such as cost and lack of raw materials?

[gurey25]

Everybody starts somewhere even if it's just one road or railway line it's worth the investment. I don't see why this should be so hard. I mean think about it, how is it possible for countries to industrialise over a hundred years ago and we still can't build anything as basic as a road in the 21st century., I mean surely they met with the same problems such as cost and lack of raw materials?

its because of lack of vision and apathy and ignorance.
we need to shine the light ahead so people will follow, doing is the best way of teaching people.
and we need real leadership because our leadership have become a class of parasites, leaching of the public resources.

building a road is not rocket science, i propose every small town and village build their own dirt/gravel i.e macadam roads with their bare hands to connect to each other. the big roads proposed will be the main connections.
just by doing this you contribute to economic growth.

a working and accessbile infrastrucutre is just one part of the three you need.
the others are a stable and functioning means of exchange, the shilling is shit, we are a dollar economy
we need a real national currency and dozens of complimentary community currencies.
and lastly we need an accessible marketplace for the average trader, somewhere with no barriers of entry.
we need the traditional islamic souq.
We need something like the fossil in Istanbul the Grand Bazaar, this is better than a mall because the whole community benefits and profits are not monopolized by a small clique of influential traders.
We need an association of small traders that pool their resources into their own bank, and loan to each other.
We need them to also capture the wholesale market and build their own warehouses , own their own trucks etc etc.

this pattern should also be implemented in manufacturing, and agriculture/ livestock and fishing in parallel.

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

That's a lot of "we needs" man. What you're suggesting is a decentralised, grass-roots bottom-up approach with little to no regulation and no government interference. I agree your idea would probably suit the Somali mentality better due to their inherent autonomy and freedom. However, I believe your solution is as much guided by your own personal bias towards anarchism as mine is towards authoritarianism. I suggest the complete opposite of a top-bottom, highly centralised system where the government directs funds and investment to "strategic" areas of industry and manufacture. The reason being that the populace is lazy, complacent and untrained. So to suggest that they'll suddenly be moved by their own initiative to form business co-ops and micro-guilds, decide to form their own regional currencies and invest in infrastructure, factories and suuqs - when they would rather buy qaad and chew all night and talk all day about Hebel from qabil X and his chances of winning an election - is idealistic to put it mildly. I'm naturally pragmatic and have a low opinion of humans in general, much less Somalis. I believe these people will never amount to anything unless a strong iron hand "guides" them and also incorporates a sense of duty and pietas (for lack of a better word) in them towards their society and country much like Confucianism did for indhayars.

[Khalid Ali]

Its very difficult to build a highly centralized state where the state controls every aspect of the economic sector of the country , in Somaliland we have a different kind of approach although we have rich elites the so called business elite whom are in bed with the government. its very difficult to undermine their bureaucratic corruption culture of you scratch my back i scratch yours. I believe the same way we have a our own distinct form of democracy we need to build our own form of economic reform in the country with basic pillars which can give guidance to the macroeconomic regulatory framework. The private sector of the country needs to be accessible for other upcoming middle players we need to support small business development. But building roads is not easy we dont have the investors right now all we can do is collect and raise money for similar projects micro finances works but it also takes years to kick off if there is no political leadership that makes it sustainable, we could easily build proper infrastructure in the country re construct berbera port connect major roads , if we could only manage the inflow of hard currency in the country properly. Abdismail is so pessimistic , he wants to compare us to Japan and other nations with a technological based industries

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

Its very difficult to build a highly centralized state where the state controls every aspect of the economic sector of the country , in Somaliland we have a different kind of approach although we have rich elites the so called business elite whom are in bed with the government. its very difficult to undermine their bureaucratic corruption culture of you scratch my back i scratch yours. I believe the same way we have a our own distinct form of democracy we need to build our own form of economic reform in the country with basic pillars which can give guidance to the macroeconomic regulatory framework. The private sector of the country needs to be accessible for other upcoming middle players we need to support small business development. But building roads is not easy right now all we can do is collect and raise money for similar projects micro finances works but it also takes years to kick off if there is no political leadership that makes it sustainable, we could easily build proper infrastructure in the country re construct berbera port connect major roads , if we could only manage the inflow of hard currency in the country properly. Abdismail is so pessimistic , he wants to compare us to Japan and other nations with a technological based industries

Yes it is! It is so very, very easy. You don't need investors to build roads because it shouldn't be a private enterprise but a public one, what are you talking about? If you're going to build infrastructure with money raised from donations then it will take 50 years to build a few roads. Your kind of complacency and can't-do attitude is why after more than 2 decades SL doesn't even have basic civil infrastructure like plumbing and sewage let alone highways and rail. Whereas Eritrea, Ethiopia and Djibouti have far better infrastructure.

BTW if you read history you'd know that Japan wasn't always a technologically advanced country and in fact up until the meiji restoration it's industry was essentially just fish and textiles. A few decades later they were a super-power capable of defeating Russia easily.

[CilmiDoone]

all we can do is collect and raise money for similar projects micro finances works but it also takes years to kick off if there is no political leadership that makes it sustainable, we could easily build proper infrastructure in the country re construct berbera port connect major roads , if we could only manage the inflow of hard currency in the country properly. Abdismail is so pessimistic , he wants to compare us to Japan and other nations with a technological based industries

I dont understand this obsession with building roads that is shown in this thread. There are roads in the whole Somali Republic, from Boorama to Kismaayo. Granted, they may not all be in great shape but the road network in the S/L region is, for the most part, operation and suffices for now, it honestly does. Roads are used to connect places to enable the transport of people, goods and materials between places where the population/assets/resources are. The economic benefits that are achieved from having a functional road network then, are realised, in a large part, through achieving the minimum threshold of a basic functional road network that connects the major areas of importance i.e. where the population/assets/resources are. So therefore any investment in such a primary road network will yield susbstantials returns for the country in question but subsequent investment in a secondary or tertiary road network will result in conparatively lower returns on investment due to deminishing returns.

The Somali Republic and the S/L region in particular, has a decent and functional primary road network that connects the major urban centres, the ports, airports et. You also have to consider the context of S/L, because it is not as there are inaccessible fertile agricultural regions or mineral assets that are need to be made accessible. The benefits from an extensive road network are being overstated and over-emphasised compared to so many other direly needed investments and initiatives which would result in significant job creation and increases in economic output that are being overlooked.

[CilmiDoone]

Its very difficult to build a highly centralized state where the state controls every aspect of the economic sector of the country , in Somaliland we have a different kind of approach although we have rich elites the so called business elite whom are in bed with the government. its very difficult to undermine their bureaucratic corruption culture of you scratch my back i scratch yours. I believe the same way we have a our own distinct form of democracy we need to build our own form of economic reform in the country with basic pillars which can give guidance to the macroeconomic regulatory framework. The private sector of the country needs to be accessible for other upcoming middle players we need to support small business development. But building roads is not easy right now all we can do is collect and raise money for similar projects micro finances works but it also takes years to kick off if there is no political leadership that makes it sustainable, we could easily build proper infrastructure in the country re construct berbera port connect major roads , if we could only manage the inflow of hard currency in the country properly. Abdismail is so pessimistic , he wants to compare us to Japan and other nations with a technological based industries

Yes it is! It is so very, very easy. You don't need investors to build roads because it shouldn't be a private enterprise but a public one, what are you talking about? If you're going to build infrastructure with money raised from donations then it will take 50 years to build a few roads. Your kind of complacency and can't-do attitude is why after more than 2 decades SL doesn't even have basic civil infrastructure like plumbing and sewage let alone highways and rail. Whereas Eritrea, Ethiopia and Djibouti have far better infrastructure.

BTW if you read history you'd know that Japan wasn't always a technologically advanced country and in fact up until the meiji restoration it's industry was essentially just fish and textiles. A few decades later they were a super-power capable of defeating Russia easily.

The problem is that they are trying to build roads (a) without the necessary funding in place and (b) without a clear justification or understanding of what the expected economic benefits are; and (c) without a thorough and genuine analysis of the relative importance of these road projects. There os no strategy, no vision, no plan and no prioritising. We are talking about a place that has almost no industry to speak of, that produces no goods of its own and that exports very little, that has no formal economy or jobs to speak of, that has no tax base, seeking to use its scarce resources to invest in expanding its road network, to small towns and villages of no economic significance or relevance to speak of. As opposed to investing in projects and initiatives that will result in currency inflows, job creation, taxation income and other forms of return on investment, in perpetuity, which xould then be utilised to invest in either in infrastructure projects or more revenue-generaring investments. Government cant invest in infrastructure if it has no way of generating revenue because there is no tax base, because there are no formal jobs, because there is very little in the way of formal economic activity. Solution? invest in revenue generating job creating projects.

[Bermooda]

How is it going is the fundraising still going on or finished Ps no need to reply back with a hoe ass nigga comment

[STARKAST]

IF you want something built in Africa you need to wipe off the whole leadership. There a waste of space that includes all leaders in Somalia.

[Notorious13]

Somalilanders have really taken this project into their own hands .

[Gabre]

But building roads is not easy we dont have the investors right now all we can do is collect and raise money for similar projects micro finances works but it also takes years to kick off if there is no political leadership that makes it sustainable, we could easily build proper infrastructure in the country re construct berbera port connect major roads , if we could only manage the inflow of hard currency in the country properly.

Too bad the bulk of Somaliland's hard foreign currency goes back to the qat farmers in Ethiopia.

History has shown tampering with the qat trade with higher taxes or efforts to control its import have nasty side effects. In the 80s it triggered the SNM. Much of recent Somali conflicts could be seen as part of these modern day Opium Wars, except with qat. The Somali populace chews on.

[AbdiJohnson]

Asphalt roads basically need repairing every few months. I see those construction men outside my window like 3 times a year. Concrete roads are too pricey.

Why not brick roads? They don't need repairing for over 100 years and they are much cheaper than the two other types of roads. Its very popular in Europe

The West uses asphalt roads because they want their construction workers to have a steady job but Somalis can't afford it . Asphalt and concrete is beyond our budget. There is maintenance we have to deal with after.


I am,

Abdi "Brick Squad" Johnson

[gurey25]

the resonance from constant vibrations of vehicles will crack and destroy brick road quickly,
you will need to maintain it every month, this is why its not feasible.

however if you add a stabilizer some sort of cheap plastic type, preferably organic than it could work.
I wonder if it would work with compressed earth brick (CEB) ?
IF you can crack this problem you would be able to build that $30 million road for $3 million.