Somaliland-Somalia Talk Final Communique

[sahal80]

Is this the official/original communique? Makes it two govts? Two entities? Parties?

I don't think the cabinet will accept it let alone the parliament!.

Yes, this is the official communique see the link I gave above.

It happaned before, somaliland media adds them their own terms such republic, govt not maamul. I know the two entities stuff this was created during the talks by stating that somaliland should get their stuff on their own and the new deal compact was based on these achievements but to state the two govts is a recognition for somaliland, I doubt this!. I would have a look at other sources.

[Salah Al-Din]

Is this the official/original communique? Makes it two govts? Two entities? Parties?

I don't think the cabinet will accept it let alone the parliament!.

Yes, this is the official communique see the link I gave above.

It happaned before, somaliland media adds them their own terms such republic, govt not maamul. I know the two entities stuff this was created during the talks by stating that somaliland should get their stuff on their own and the new deal compact was based on these achievements but to state the two govts is a recognition for somaliland, I doubt this!. I would have a look at other sources.

Don't have a heart attack. I already posted the source, but here it is again:http://mogadishu.emb.mfa.gov.tr/images/ ... 758b56.pdf

Also, it is always the Somalia media who create their own translation and use maamul when all the communiques going as far the one signed by Sh. Shariif said "Government of Somaliland". Nothing new, you're waking up. It is good news.

[GeoSeven]

Geo,

I don't believe its genuine, as your former minister of interior & security said ''ujeeddada dowladda Soomaaliya ay ka leedahay wadahadallada ay tahay sidii lagu qancin lahaa Somaliland''. It's all about appeasing the politicians in Somaliland but in reality they have no power and most of these cunts didn't even witness the atrocities and the genocide committed by Afweynes regime.

Regardless of it's sincerity, I personally endorse it's mention

Sahal, for Somaliland to even contemplate re-union, they would want to do so and be identified as a distinct entity. That's more or less the stance of even your average unionist Somalilander. We're only kidding ourselves if we believe Somaliland, after pursuing independence for two decades would merely accept being reincorporated into Somalia proper as a federal state in bar with the rest.

[LeJusticier]

Geo,

I don't believe its genuine, as your former minister of interior & security said ''ujeeddada dowladda Soomaaliya ay ka leedahay wadahadallada ay tahay sidii lagu qancin lahaa Somaliland''. It's all about appeasing the politicians in Somaliland but in reality they have no power and most of these cunts didn't even witness the atrocities and the genocide committed by Afweynes regime.

Regardless of it's sincerity, I personally endorse it's mention

Sahal, for Somaliland to even contemplate re-union, they would want to do so and be identified as a distinct entity. That's more or less the stance of even your average unionist Somalilander. We're only kidding ourselves if we believe Somaliland, after pursuing independence for two decades would merely accept being reincorporated into Somalia proper as a federal state in bar with the rest.

I couldn't agree more

Salahadiin
Salaan sare bro.

[sahal80]

Geo,

I don't believe its genuine, as your former minister of interior & security said ''ujeeddada dowladda Soomaaliya ay ka leedahay wadahadallada ay tahay sidii lagu qancin lahaa Somaliland''. It's all about appeasing the politicians in Somaliland but in reality they have no power and most of these cunts didn't even witness the atrocities and the genocide committed by Afweynes regime.

Regardless of it's sincerity, I personally endorse it's mention

Sahal, for Somaliland to even contemplate re-union, they would want to do so and be identified as a distinct entity. That's more or less the stance of even your average unionist Somalilander. We're only kidding ourselves if we believe Somaliland, after pursuing independence for two decades would merely accept being reincorporated into Somalia proper as a federal state in bar with the rest.

Your tacticless mate!! Yaa damaanad ka heesataa? Every thing you sign the world would recognize it!!

Somaliland FM was right when he said that mogadishu is willing to recognize them! Your putting yourself in a hard position while your NOT under any political or military pressure!!.

Look how they concentrating the two "entities" lol they had a seminar in addis on their way to turkey

Abdi karim guleed and abdi samad macalin who are cousins are leading the govts delegates, both of them have narrow minds. samad said when he was the interior he personally recognises somaliland as a country.

[Salah Al-Din]

Le Justicier Salaan sare brother.

[Salah Al-Din]

Geo,

I don't believe its genuine, as your former minister of interior & security said ''ujeeddada dowladda Soomaaliya ay ka leedahay wadahadallada ay tahay sidii lagu qancin lahaa Somaliland''. It's all about appeasing the politicians in Somaliland but in reality they have no power and most of these cunts didn't even witness the atrocities and the genocide committed by Afweynes regime.

Regardless of it's sincerity, I personally endorse it's mention

Sahal, for Somaliland to even contemplate re-union, they would want to do so and be identified as a distinct entity. That's more or less the stance of even your average unionist Somalilander. We're only kidding ourselves if we believe Somaliland, after pursuing independence for two decades would merely accept being reincorporated into Somalia proper as a federal state in bar with the rest.

Your tacticless mate!! Yaa damaanad ka heesataa? Every thing you sign the world would recognize it!!

Somaliland FM was right when he said that mogadishu is willing to recognize them! Your putting yourself in a hard position while your NOT under any political or military pressure!!.

Look how they concentrating the two "entities" lol they had a seminar in addis on their way to turkey

Abdi karim guleed and abdi samad macalin who are cousins are leading the govts delegates, both of them have narrow minds. samad said when he was the interior he personally recognises somaliland as a country.

Your resistance is futile.. Somaliland's de jure recognition is fait accompli, inevitable.

[sahal80]

Sahal, for Somaliland to even contemplate re-union, they would want to do so and be identified as a distinct entity. That's more or less the stance of even your average unionist Somalilander. We're only kidding ourselves if we believe Somaliland, after pursuing independence for two decades would merely accept being reincorporated into Somalia proper as a federal state in bar with the rest.

Your tacticless mate!! Yaa damaanad ka heesataa? Every thing you sign the world would recognize it!!

Somaliland FM was right when he said that mogadishu is willing to recognize them! Your putting yourself in a hard position while your NOT under any political or military pressure!!.

Look how they concentrating the two "entities" lol they had a seminar in addis on their way to turkey

Abdi karim guleed and abdi samad macalin who are cousins are leading the govts delegates, both of them have narrow minds. samad said when he was the interior he personally recognises somaliland as a country.

Your resistance is futile.. Somaliland's de jure recognition is fait accompli, inevitable.

Firstly, i don't care if somaliland gets recognized or not that is not my business. I'm just not supporting my govt doing this as it will make us a failed country, if from the world I could careless.

[PrinceDaadi]

Sahal: you should understand unity comes on mutual understanding not by force, SL's stay or leaving from this unity entirely relies on them and how the South entices them.

These talks r premature, HSM is not a position to talk to anyone until he control the South but these so called minister get five star hotel treatment and some sheeko so it is not bad.

[GeoSeven]

Geo,

I don't believe its genuine, as your former minister of interior & security said ''ujeeddada dowladda Soomaaliya ay ka leedahay wadahadallada ay tahay sidii lagu qancin lahaa Somaliland''. It's all about appeasing the politicians in Somaliland but in reality they have no power and most of these cunts didn't even witness the atrocities and the genocide committed by Afweynes regime.

Regardless of it's sincerity, I personally endorse it's mention

Sahal, for Somaliland to even contemplate re-union, they would want to do so and be identified as a distinct entity. That's more or less the stance of even your average unionist Somalilander. We're only kidding ourselves if we believe Somaliland, after pursuing independence for two decades would merely accept being reincorporated into Somalia proper as a federal state in bar with the rest.

Your tacticless mate!! Yaa damaanad ka heesataa? Every thing you sign the world would recognize it!!

Somaliland FM was right when he said that mogadishu is willing to recognize them! Your putting yourself in a hard position while your NOT under any political or military pressure!!.

Look how they concentrating the two "entities" lol they had a seminar in addis on their way to turkey

Abdi karim guleed and abdi samad macalin who are cousins are leading the govts delegates, both of them have narrow minds. samad said when he was the interior he personally recognises somaliland as a country.

I'm merely being realistic. The goal is to convince you're average everyday Hargeisa resident, not a politician. At this stage, if those ministers signed anything even remotely perceived as a reversal of popular opinion by the people of the region, they would be shot by the first customs officer on their return

This isn't a century ago when intergovernmental bodies enforced their will and dictated the fates of regions and their populations. Even if the world reiterates it's stance on unified Somalia, who's going to enforce it? Our proposals have to appeal to the people, intellectually or emotionally.

[X.Playa]

Four pages of usless talks and the result is " agree to agree" this a tiresome acrobat of the English language all 4 pages are saying the same thing which has been said for the last 4 meetings.. so whats the point of talking and then agreeing to talk in the future for ever??

[abdikarim86]

Geo,

I don't believe its genuine, as your former minister of interior & security said ''ujeeddada dowladda Soomaaliya ay ka leedahay wadahadallada ay tahay sidii lagu qancin lahaa Somaliland''. It's all about appeasing the politicians in Somaliland but in reality they have no power and most of these cunts didn't even witness the atrocities and the genocide committed by Afweynes regime.

Regardless of it's sincerity, I personally endorse it's mention

Sahal, for Somaliland to even contemplate re-union, they would want to do so and be identified as a distinct entity. That's more or less the stance of even your average unionist Somalilander. We're only kidding ourselves if we believe Somaliland, after pursuing independence for two decades would merely accept being reincorporated into Somalia proper as a federal state in bar with the rest.

Who are these "average unionist somalilanders"?

[sahal80]

Sahal: you should understand unity comes on mutual understanding not by force, SL's stay or leaving from this unity entirely relies on them and how the South entices them.

These talks r premature, HSM is not a position to talk to anyone until he control the South but these so called minister get five star hotel treatment and some sheeko so it is not bad.

No. You should get my point are you thick? I don't care unity or cecession I care about the political principles. Why the govt have to lose its credibility bc of somaliland? This govt should bring control to south and all the rest would be mute.

[Salah Al-Din]

X-Playa, the talks in the past had no structure. Now they do. If you listened to the FM of Somaliland, he said as much that Somaliland does not have time to waste and doesn't want these talks to continue endlessly. If you read the document you will see that a) before any meeting the agenda has to be agreed upon in advance, b) there will be working committee checking on how much progress has been made every 45 days, and c) formal talks should be scheduled every 90 days. This is the first talks that produced a frame work and a road map is put in place to steer the talks to their eventuality.

Don't be in haste, these kinds of talks take a while and must be given a chance. Besides, it is not like Somaliland is putting all their eggs in one basket? Somaliland continues to engage the rest of the world asserting their sovereignty. For instance, while these talks are happening the Somaliland President is in France and may enter into a business deal to improve Berbera Port.

This is a process, it is not a sprint, but the way the chess board has been placed it is clear who is going to go home crying when all is said & done.

[Salah Al-Din]

Firstly, i don't care if somaliland gets recognized or not that is not my business. I'm just not supporting my govt doing this as it will make us a failed country, if from the world I could careless.

Why would Somalia be a failed state because it recognizes the reality that Somaliland is sovereign?