Is July 1 Nakba Day for Somalilanders?

[Gabre]

July 1st was the fateful day the young, newly independent country of Somaliland joined in a union with Somalia. A union that turned out to be a terrible move for Somaliland and forced it to wage a decades long war for self-determination.

Is it a day of mourning in Hargeisa or just largely ignored?

[Xildiiid]

It's the day our ancestors made the biggest mistake they could ever make but no one blames them. You have to put things in a historical context and they were a product of their time. They had different ideals and they were gullible.

54 years later, we're correcting their mistakes.

[Khalid Ali]

We ignore this sad day

How ever look at he bright side of t alll today 20,14 there is no somalia

So its not all dark

[Kukri]

A union that turned out to be a terrible move for Somaliland and forced it to wage a decades long war for self-determination.

Correction. There was no such thing as a "decade long war for self-determination".
The SNM was never form for self-determination but rather to topple a brutal regime then to establish a fair government that was representative of all clans.

The existence of Somaliland was an un-intended consequence of the civil war. The lack of peace in the South rather threw a spanner in the works and abracadabra Somaliland was born. but it was never the aim nor the intention of the SNM. They are better of for it today and thank God un-intended consequences that works out for the best.

[Marques]

We ignore this sad day

How ever look at he bright side of t alll today 20,14 there is no somalia

So its not all dark

Bright side? So you admit a broken Somalia is something you want?

[Marques]

A union that turned out to be a terrible move for Somaliland and forced it to wage a decades long war for self-determination.

Correction. There was no such thing as a "decade long war for self-determination".
The SNM was never form for self-determination but rather to topple a brutal regime then to establish a fair government that was representative of all clans.

The existence of Somaliland was an un-intended consequence of the civil war. The lack of peace in the South rather threw a spanner in the works and abracadabra Somaliland was born. but it was never the aim nor the intention of the SNM. They are better of for it today and thank God un-intended consequences that works out for the best.

Interesting. If SNM stated secession as one of their earlier objectives, do you think most of the Isaaq clan would have supported it during the 80s?

[Kukri]

I don't know really.
I think that Question is best suited to Khalid Ali but living in Djibouti and when i remember what my feeligs were about the SNM war at that time i would probably say yes.

My knowledge of Daarod was Mareexan and that they were faqash and they were killing my clan....lol

Its amazing when you look back and the innocence of youth i can't help but laugh.
Only to learn later that Mareexan waa reer Gob despite MSB (AUN) mistakes.

[Khalid Ali]

Kukri not true snm fought for self determination

At first a north south confrderate state

The.talked about. Since snm was a peoples organisation

Snm gave the people the choice to take back their Country



Marquis not really what i want is not important what is happe ing is much more impprtant
Somalia not existing or its downfall neither does me good or bad

[Kukri]

KA

My understanding of that bit of history is that sel-determination was never the agenda.
And one of the things that reinforce that believe is...

1. SNM were Isaq jabhad and no other clan.
2. And since the place known as British-Somaliland did not consist of only one clan its a fair assumption to say they were fighting a regime in order to change things and not necessarily break away.

And last but not least, in the 60s when we joined the South was the decision reached only by the Isaq clans or there were other clans.?

[Marques]

I don't know really.
I think that Question is best suited to Khalid Ali but living in Djibouti and when i remember what my feeligs were about the SNM war at that time i would probably say yes.

My knowledge of Daarod was Mareexan and that they were faqash and they were killing my clan....lol

Its amazing when you look back and the innocence of youth i can't help but laugh.
Only to learn later that Mareexan waa reer Gob despite MSB (AUN) mistakes.

SNM in the earlier 80s was just an elitist movement. It was supported by ex politicians who fell out of favor with the regime and businessmen who wanted economic freedom. It had military hardware but the shacab support didn't materialise fully until the bombardment of Hargeisa etc. Infact SNM as a whole had its destiny changed forever the moment Barre started that scorched earth policy in the North.

X.playa offers an interesting perspective on the SNM though. Makes one think after 91', everyone jumped on the SNM bandwagon, even well known collaborators of the Barre regime like Cumar Carte, Cigaal, Faisal hyena etc.

What is Cowke's opinion on the SNM? I knew he was Isaaq but he paraded around Barre's entourage throughout his entire rule...

Marquis not really what i want is not important what is happe ing is much more impprtant
Somalia not existing or its downfall neither does me good or bad

Ninyahow what you said was crystal clear. Laakin it is sad to think you are content with the situation in Mogadishu when you were born and raised there as a child.

[Khalid Ali]

In 1985 there was a report done and it said that the vas majortu

Favored independence i willl post it later i am at work now


In an ideal i would love somalia and somaliland to be peace with them selves
But i am sure this is not possible knowig somalis and their behavior
Here is an attitude of ki roon reerka ha u hadhay

[DR-YALAXOOW]

actually more than 10 years was know northern somalia and Southern somalia will reunite. it was not just a something which come up 4 Days between 26 june to 1 july as many if you idots Think.. actually Somaliya was United under British South and North from 1943 to 1955.. 26 june the blue flag which was flying Mogadishu more than 10 years the intrem goverment was raised in Hargeysa 26 june.. so somaliya was United Before 1 july and was known Before it that somaliya will be United and i was not something come out just those 4 Days..

[Xildiiid]

^
Lmao

[Kukri]

actually more than 10 years was know northern somalia and Southern somalia will reunite. it was not just a something which come up 4 Days between 26 june to 1 july as many if you idots Think.. actually Somaliya was United under British South and North from 1943 to 1955.. 26 june the blue flag which was flying Mogadishu more than 10 years the intrem goverment was raised in Hargeysa 26 june.. so somaliya was United Before 1 july and was known Before it that somaliya will be United and i was not something come out just those 4 Days..

Alihi clownka kaa dhigay ayaa mahad leh!

[Vengeance]

July 1st was the fateful day the young, newly independent country of Somaliland joined in a union with Somalia. A union that turned out to be a terrible move for Somaliland and forced it to wage a decades long war for self-determination.

Is it a day of mourning in Hargeisa or just largely ignored?

Newly Independent? Country? where? Somaliland?

Do you know something the rest of the world does not? Stick to your country, Ethiopia, and leave Somalia's affairs to Somalis. Somaliland and Somalia is one and the same. Both Puntland and Somaliland are territories of Somalia and will always be so.