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Is July 1 Nakba Day for Somalilanders?

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Re: Is July 1 Nakba Day for Somalilanders?

Postby waraabe251 » Tue Jul 01, 2014 3:47 pm

July 1st was the fateful day the young, newly independent country of Somaliland joined in a union with Somalia. A union that turned out to be a terrible move for Somaliland and forced it to wage a decades long war for self-determination.

Is it a day of mourning in Hargeisa or just largely ignored?

Newly Independent? Country? where? Somaliland?

Do you know something the rest of the world does not? Stick to your country, Ethiopia, and leave Somalia's affairs to Somalis. Somaliland and Somalia is one and the same. Both Puntland and Somaliland are territories of Somalia and will always be so.
are you drunk, sl is part of Somalia. What are you smoking

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Re: Is July 1 Nakba Day for Somalilanders?

Postby Kukri » Tue Jul 01, 2014 4:12 pm

What are you smoking
Dried hyena toes. Lol

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Re: Is July 1 Nakba Day for Somalilanders?

Postby waraabe251 » Tue Jul 01, 2014 4:22 pm

What are you smoking
Dried hyena toes. Lol
lool

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Re: Is July 1 Nakba Day for Somalilanders?

Postby Khalid Ali » Tue Jul 01, 2014 5:14 pm

Marqus this report was from Somaliland 1985 it shows the independence aspirations

SOMALIA. Secessionist mood builds in the north as military tightens grip
By Edward Girardet, Special to The Christian Science Monitor SEPTEMBER 12, 1985
HARGEISA, SOMALIA — ``You have only to look at a map of the Horn of Africa to understand our strategic importance,'' stressed Brig. Gen. Muhammad Haashi Gaani, the gov- ernment's strongman in this troubled northern region. Steel-faced and aloof, he leaned back in his chair in his boardroom-style office at the military's new headquarters here in Hargeisa.

``You have the Soviets in Ethiopia, the Soviets in South Yemen on the other side of the Gulf of Aden, and the Soviets in the Indian Ocean,'' he said, speaking through an interpreter in Somali, but occasionally dropping into English or Italian for emphasis. ``We are victims of a superpower struggle.''

The general was appointed acting governor of the Northwest Province this year. But he would rather discuss military matters than talk about thorny regional issues -- a preference that reflects his desire to divert attention from the growing political dissidence within Somalia itself.

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Dissatisfaction with Somalian President Siyad Barre's corrupt and moribund socialist ``revolution'' has been growing steadily for years in Somalia. But in the north, which was British Somaliland until independence in 1960, it has become acute.

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Although Somalia prides itself on being one of Africa's few single-ethnic nations (the others are Botswana and Lesotho), it suffers from severe tribal and clan cleavages. Many northerners bitterly resent what they consider to be discrimination by the southern-based tribes of which both President Barre and Gaani are members. Not only have the southerners concentrated economic development in their own region, but the president has showered jobs and privileges on his own Marehan clan.

As one of several possible successors to the president -- who, according to some reports, is ailing and may be intending to step down -- Gaani has established a ruthless reputation in Hargeisa for dealing with alleged political dissidents.

On July 29, one day before speaking with this reporter, he presided over a military tribunal held at the town's national theater in which a reported 17 dissidents were sentenced to death. They were shot by a firing squad hours later at the military shooting range outside town. Since the beginning of this year, as many as 100 dissidents and prisoners are said to have been executed.

But Gaani has, at the same time, impressed some members of the international-aid community by his proclaimed determination to step up economic development of the north, a move aimed at demonstrating the Somali government's active concern for the region. Since becoming acting governor, he has convened meetings of aid coordinators in his office where he has stressed the need for greater cooperation on water-conservation projects for agriculture. He has also supported the establishment of new industries, a nd wants to build an all-weather road to Djibouti, which would increase trade within the region.

But some observers say Gaani's hard-line policies show that the government is ``running scared.''

Barre's 16-year-old government faces armed opposition from two major dissident guerrilla movements, the Somali Democratic Salvation Front and the Somali National Movement. Both groups are backed by Ethiopia and Libya.

The groups are reportedly attracting sympathy among the local population. In the northwest region -- where urban communities are known for their good contacts abroad and for populations that work harder than their southern neighbors -- secessionist views are often heard. These range from calls for regional autonomy to demands for outright independence or union with Djibouti.

Guerrilla activities have been concentrated mainly in frontier areas. But they sometimes spill over into the towns, including the Somalian capital, Moga- dishu. Last December, the security forces brutally crushed a 600-man guerrilla detachment from across the border and cracked down on suspected rebel sympathizers within Hargeisa.

The atmosphere in Hargeisa last month appeared tense. Antigovernment feeling was widespread. The likes of General Gaani have done little to alleviate this tension. Public animosity is directed against the military and the National Security Service (NSS) for their blatant abuse of the local population.

``They are just stealing from the people. People are scared,'' said one Western relief worker. ``Everybody hates the government. But what can they do? If they say too much, they just disappear.''

Somali and Western sources say the security forces, most of whom are brought in from the south, act more like occupation troops. With the northwest province still under a state of emergency, numerous security checkpoints dot the outskirts of Hargeisa and other towns, and along the main roads. Local residents (but not foreigners) need permits to travel from one place to another, and are forbidden to move around after 10 p.m.

Residents are constantly arrested and taken to jail. Some are held only for a few hours or days, others for longer periods. ``People simply disappear into the night,'' said one Somali source. The main detention center is near Gaani's headquarters, but political prisoners are also sent to jails in the south, a few never to be heard from again.

``When we learn that one of our local staff have been picked up, we can usually go down to the detention center and get them out,'' said one European aid coordinator. ``The ones who suffer are those without outside connections.''

Such assertions were confirmed by the human-rights group Amnesty International (AI) in its last annual report. Although some Western diplomats say the Barre government is not as bad as many other African nations, AI cites many reported cases of ``harsh'' treatment of political detainees in Somalia.

``No matter how you look at it, this government is nothing less than a dictatorship,'' commented a Somali businessman. ``These people have got to go.''
http://www.csmonitor.com/1985/0912/isop.html

This whole SNM came with the independence was a fairy tale the independence aspirations was very alive with the people.

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Re: Is July 1 Nakba Day for Somalilanders?

Postby Vengeance » Wed Jul 02, 2014 5:22 pm

July 1st was the fateful day the young, newly independent country of Somaliland joined in a union with Somalia. A union that turned out to be a terrible move for Somaliland and forced it to wage a decades long war for self-determination.

Is it a day of mourning in Hargeisa or just largely ignored?

Newly Independent? Country? where? Somaliland?

Do you know something the rest of the world does not? Stick to your country, Ethiopia, and leave Somalia's affairs to Somalis. Somaliland and Somalia is one and the same. Both Puntland and Somaliland are territories of Somalia and will always be so.
are you drunk, sl is part of Somalia. What are you smoking

Which is exactly what I said. Do you have comprehension issues? Perhaps you should re-read what I wrote and comment After you understand my post. Illiterate loser.

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Re: Is July 1 Nakba Day for Somalilanders?

Postby Xildiiid » Wed Jul 02, 2014 5:29 pm

^
Somaliland is not part of Somalia, never was and never will.

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Re: Is July 1 Nakba Day for Somalilanders?

Postby Vengeance » Wed Jul 02, 2014 5:52 pm

With statement like that, you certainly do not expect someone to take you seriously, do you?

People are starting to turn a blind eye to the hypocrisy and delusion of some Somalis from certain part of Somalia (North Western Region, also known as Somaliland), when they refer their little triangle as a country. By doing this, they are giving you guys power by adding to your inflated sense of entitlement and delusions. This needs to stop. Somalia is one country, always has been and always will be. Most of you guys are nothing but internet warriors and by constantly referring Somaliland as a country, it is not going to change the sad predicament of your people. It just shows how desperate you are. The truth of the matter is, Somaliland is a failure. The road to recognition as been a long and fruitless one; it is a time to take a close look at the issues at your tiny triangle region (there are certainly many), and come to terms with you failure.

The day one single nation in this world recognizes Somaliland as a country, I will be the first to congratulate you. But till that happens, sit down and shut up.

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Re: Is July 1 Nakba Day for Somalilanders?

Postby Xildiiid » Wed Jul 02, 2014 5:55 pm

Disprove my statement, if you can't don't ever refer Somaliland as a region within Somalia because it is not.

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Re: Is July 1 Nakba Day for Somalilanders?

Postby Vengeance » Wed Jul 02, 2014 6:00 pm

Disprove my statement, if you can't don't ever refer Somaliland as a region within Somalia because it is not.
I wish I understood what you wrote, but I am going to dismiss your post just like you pathetic delusions.

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Re: Is July 1 Nakba Day for Somalilanders?

Postby Even123 » Wed Jul 02, 2014 6:03 pm

With statement like that, you certainly do not expect someone to take you seriously, do you?

People are starting to turn a blind eye to the hypocrisy and delusion of some Somalis from certain part of Somalia (North Western Region, also known as Somaliland), when they refer their little triangle as a country. By doing this, they are giving you guys power by adding to your inflated sense of entitlement and delusions. This needs to stop. Somalia is one country, always has been and always will be. Most of you guys are nothing but internet warriors and by constantly referring Somaliland as a country, it is not going to change the sad predicament of your people. It just shows how desperate you are. The truth of the matter is, Somaliland is a failure. The road to recognition as been a long and fruitless one; it is a time to take a close look at the issues at your tiny triangle region (there are certainly many), and come to terms with you failure.

The day one single nation in this world recognizes Somaliland as a country, I will be the first to congratulate you. But till that happens, sit down and shut up.
Vengeance my dear Compatriot, I advice you to ignore and stop wasting your valuable time with these delusional folks, wallahi I and so many have tried to knock sense into them, but in every turn of truth they reject it with petty rants, as if they were parrots programmed to say limited words, such as; walaweyn, koonfur,ictraaf, abo english and most famous one's faqash :lol: ,...these kids were raised in the kitchen.

So my compatriot ignore these lost confused delusional ranting folks of waqoye Somalia because pretty soon they will all wake up with one slap.

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Re: Is July 1 Nakba Day for Somalilanders?

Postby Xildiiid » Wed Jul 02, 2014 6:06 pm

That's what I thought..

You couldn't disprove me.

The reality is Somaliland is not part of Somalia, never was and never will.

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Re: Is July 1 Nakba Day for Somalilanders?

Postby waraabe251 » Wed Jul 02, 2014 6:17 pm

With statement like that, you certainly do not expect someone to take you seriously, do you?

People are starting to turn a blind eye to the hypocrisy and delusion of some Somalis from certain part of Somalia (North Western Region, also known as Somaliland), when they refer their little triangle as a country. By doing this, they are giving you guys power by adding to your inflated sense of entitlement and delusions. This needs to stop. Somalia is one country, always has been and always will be. Most of you guys are nothing but internet warriors and by constantly referring Somaliland as a country, it is not going to change the sad predicament of your people. It just shows how desperate you are. The truth of the matter is, Somaliland is a failure. The road to recognition as been a long and fruitless one; it is a time to take a close look at the issues at your tiny triangle region (there are certainly many), and come to terms with you failure.

The day one single nation in this world recognizes Somaliland as a country, I will be the first to congratulate you. But till that happens, sit down and shut up.
Vengeance my dear Compatriot, I advice you to ignore and stop wasting your valuable time with these delusional folks, wallahi I and so many have tried to knock sense into them, but in every turn of truth they reject it with petty rants, as if they were parrots programmed to say limited words, such as; walaweyn, koonfur,ictraaf, abo english and most famous one's faqash :lol: ,...these kids were raised in the kitchen.

So my compatriot ignore these lost confused delusional ranting folks of waqoye Somalia because pretty soon they will all wake up with one slap.

calaacal 24/7. you will never reach anywhere with this constant calaacal

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Re: Is July 1 Nakba Day for Somalilanders?

Postby Gabre » Wed Jul 02, 2014 10:30 pm

July 1st was the fateful day the young, newly independent country of Somaliland joined in a union with Somalia. A union that turned out to be a terrible move for Somaliland and forced it to wage a decades long war for self-determination.

Is it a day of mourning in Hargeisa or just largely ignored?

Newly Independent? Country? where? Somaliland?

Do you know something the rest of the world does not? Stick to your country, Ethiopia, and leave Somalia's affairs to Somalis. Somaliland and Somalia is one and the same. Both Puntland and Somaliland are territories of Somalia and will always be so.
On June 26, 1960 the newly independent country of Somaliland was born.

4 days later it entered into a union with Somalia to the south which lasted for about 30 years. For the last 24 years, Somaliland is once again a de facto independent country. Whether the entire world recognizes it as such is besides the point. For example, Taiwan has been de facto independent for much longer, yet most of the world doesn't recognize it. That doesn't stop them from buying Taiwanese technology exports.

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Re: Is July 1 Nakba Day for Somalilanders?

Postby Gabre » Wed Jul 02, 2014 11:36 pm

We don't even need to go as far as Taiwan to look for related examples. In 1952, a referendum was held in British-controlled Eritrea on a constitution that would federate Eritrea with Ethiopia upon Eritrea's independence. Eritreans overwhelmingly voted for this, as did Somalilanders for joining with Somalia in 1960. Here's a photo of pro-union (Andinet) Eritrean youth rallying in Asmara just before the first referendum:

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Then, just like Somalilanders, Eritreans fought a decades long war to liberate themselves from Ethiopia. They succeeded in 1991, the same year that Somaliland defeated Somalia. Somaliland has done something that Eritrea has yet to in the meantime: peaceful transition of power through democratic elections. The first President of Somaliland Cabdiraxmaan Axmed Cali Tuur conceding defeat to President Maxamed Xaaji Ibraahim Cigaal in 1993 elections at Boorame:

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Re: Is July 1 Nakba Day for Somalilanders?

Postby SimplySerene » Thu Jul 03, 2014 12:01 am

When people argue about these issues I always think about this post below. I found it interesting




Somaliland has legal argument because Somaliland as an independent State joined Somalia to form the Somali Republic. Unfortunately, this union was never ratified in parliament. The events that took place in 1960 are as follows:

1. Somaliland becomes Independent on June 26 1960. On June 27 Somaliland Parliament passes a law called Act of Union with Somalia to form the Somali Republic. This document was never signed or passed by the Parliament of Somalia.
2. On July 1, the Parlaiment of Somalia passed an act of union called Atto di Unione which was significantly different from the Act of Union that the Somaliland Parliament passed. This Atto di Unione was never passed in the Parliament of Somaliland.
3. The Union went ahead but legally it was not null and void since no single Act of Union was signed by both countries. This caused the President to use a presidential decree to make an act of union between Somaliland and Somalia on January 31 1961 a full 6 months later to be in effect retroactively for July 1 1960. This document too was never ratified in Somali Republic's parliament. Presidential decrees need to have parliament pass them otherwise they become null and void.
4. The government of the Somalia Republic, which was run by politicians from Somalia, decided to try to ratify the union through a constitution in the end of 1961. The constitution was boycotted in Somaliland and only 100,000 people who voted and those who voted they overwhelmingly rejected it. Yet in Somalia it was said 1.7 million people voted when in the past elections only 600 thousand were eligible to vote. The tiny village called wanloweyn returned 99,000 yes votes which was almost equal to all the votes in Somaliland.
5. This caused Somaliland officers in the army to try a coup de tat in the end of 1961. This coup was not successful; however, when they were put on trail they were let go by the courts simply because these military officers did not swear to defend the Somali Republic, but they swore to defend Somaliland. Therefore there could be no treason against the Somali Republic.

Considering the fact that two states, Somaliland and Somalia joined together to form the Somali Republic. Then logic would dictate that a) Somaliland cannot be equal to mere federated provinces of Somalia like Puntland or Ximan & Xeeb. b) since no single act of union was signed, there is no legal requirement compelling Somaliland to remain part of Somalia c) since the Somali Republic ceased to exist in 1991 there is no reality on the ground to keep them united since Somaliland controls its territory.

The only thing keeping Somaliland and Somalia together is the politics of the international community remaining neutral to the recognition of Somaliland. Even the sole super power in the world the USA has said, they have no qualms of Somaliland getting de jure recognition; they just want another African state to go first. They wouldn't say that, they could have said no Somaliland has to remain part of Somalia. Surely the USA is not scared of Somaliland. As such the issue is not a matter of legality, but a matter of politics. In this regard, Somaliland is well prepared to go the distance and continue to pursue their quest for de jure recognition.
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