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TheYusuf

What do you consider a legacy?

I can't think of a single legacy by Lander politicians. What do you consider a legacy and name a single thing by Silanyo that is a legacy in your eyes because his minor gains in contrast to Riyale are not a legacy.

for me only Siad Barre left a lasting legacy; the Latin Somali alphabet.

If you believe that Ina Siad Barre left a lasting legacy while none of Somaliland presidents did, Orod oo xabaasha Ina Siad Barre ka dul ooy in a hope he'll return.

The former president Muj. Abdulrahman Ahmed Ali and the current president Muj. Ahmed Mohamed Mahmoud defeated your lasting legacy and freed Somaliland. If you don't consider getting back Somaliland sovereignty lasting legacy then I don't know what you really consider a legacy other than the latin Somali alphabet which Musa Galaal founded.

If you believe that Ina Siad Barre left a lasting legacy while none of Somaliland presidents did, Orod oo xabaasha Ina Siad Barre ka dul ooy in a hope he'll return.

The former president Muj. Abdulrahman Ahmed Ali and the current president Muj. Ahmed Mohamed Mahmoud defeated your lasting legacy and freed Somaliland. If you don't consider getting back Somaliland sovereignty lasting legacy then I don't know what you really consider a legacy other than the latin Somali alphabet which Musa Galaal founded.

The problem with many of you is that you intend to get emotional about every subject and can't see things beyond the tears. I have long learned how to separate emotions from politics. Rationality is the way forward mate.

Siad Barre left the Somali alphabet as a legacy and equally we can credit him along with many other players Eritrea's secession, which reshaped Ethiopia. Barre may have made many mistakes in a domestic levels but his vision in the region was far bigger than any Somali politician ever.

By the way his bar ama baro campaign is still regarded the biggest literacy campaign in the history. The Somali Republic went from zero literacy to above 60% in just matter of five years.

Musa Galaal or Shire Jama Ahmed may have initiated the alphabet but it was Barre's bar ama baro campaign that made it Somali.

SL politicians are yet to create any meaningful legacy really. You can always name one if you disagree.

I always regard Barre as a prominent politician and Somali thinker. I don't believe that he was tribalist but he focused on one region (Banadir) more than others including his own Gedo. AUN.

Hawdian, you said ''Siyaad Bare's vision in the region was far bigger than any Somali politician ever''. What vision are we talking about? are we talking about the failed invasion of Ethiopia. Are we talking about the embarrassing foreign policy failures and strategic blunders made prior, during and after the invasion? Or, are we talking about Barre's mere dreams and fantasies, which, in any case, no one would really know or care what they were. Benito Mussolini, which incidentally was the inspirational figure for Barre, had himself a fantasy and a dream of building a modern Roman empire, I don't recall people admiring him for his vision.

Calling Barre a prominent Somali ''thinker'' is to distort the meaning of the word or to insult the real Somali thinkers by including that idiot into the club. Recognising him a none tribalist leader and taking the comparative developments of Banadir and Gedo regions during his rule as an evidence, is to ignore history and to make yourself a fool. It is not even a secret that Siyaad Bare intended to resettle his entire clan to Banadir, kimaayo and fertile regions of Shabeele and Juba regions. Are we conveniently forgetting the famous Boli Qaran villages in Muqdisho and other national scandals? obviously he never though that he will ousted from power, he envisioned a family kingdom even after him, that is why he invested Banadir heavily. He also calculated that by concentrating power and all major economic activities in Banadir and surroundings will somehow enhance and prolong his dictatorial rule.

Finally, I concede that he did a good job at the implementation of the written Somali, I also concede that his literacy campaigns were to some extent successful and are praise worthy, but all the idiotic and dumb dictators in history did something and implemented some projects that are praise worthy. They are judged by their overall legacy and not by some selective and minor achievements. Sadam Husain and Muammar al Gadafi also completed some useful projects, I have never seen anybody proud of their legacy in their countries.

If you believe that Ina Siad Barre left a lasting legacy while none of Somaliland presidents did, Orod oo xabaasha Ina Siad Barre ka dul ooy in a hope he'll return.

The former president Muj. Abdulrahman Ahmed Ali and the current president Muj. Ahmed Mohamed Mahmoud defeated your lasting legacy and freed Somaliland. If you don't consider getting back Somaliland sovereignty lasting legacy then I don't know what you really consider a legacy other than the latin Somali alphabet which Musa Galaal founded.

The problem with many of you is that you intend to get emotional about every subject and can't see things beyond the tears. I have long learned how to separate emotions from politics. Rationality is the way forward mate.

Siad Barre left the Somali alphabet as a legacy and equally we can credit him along with many other players Eritrea's secession, which reshaped Ethiopia. Barre may have made many mistakes in a domestic levels but his vision in the region was far bigger than any Somali politician ever.

By the way his bar ama baro campaign is still regarded the biggest literacy campaign in the history. The Somali Republic went from zero literacy to above 60% in just matter of five years.

Musa Galaal or Shire Jama Ahmed may have initiated the alphabet but it was Barre's bar ama baro campaign that made it Somali.

SL politicians are yet to create any meaningful legacy really. You can always name one if you disagree.

I always regard Barre as a prominent politician and Somali thinker. I don't believe that he was tribalist but he focused on one region (Banadir) more than others including his own Gedo. AUN.

At that time, there was no Darood in Gedo. He planted his tribe there as refuges from Ethiopia in the 70s.
Not only that, he tried to settle the Ogaden on our lands!

You're loosing your touch Hawdian.

Siad Barre left the Somali alphabet as a legacy and equally we can credit him along with many other players Eritrea's secession, which reshaped Ethiopia. Barre may have made many mistakes in a domestic levels but his vision in the region was far bigger than any Somali politician ever.

The main legacy of Siad Barre is his failure in 1977 and the killings of thousands of innocent somalis.

The literacy campaign was pushed by the Soviets because that was the only way they envisioned the masses could be indoctrinated.

It was after the literacy campaign all the 'hantiwadaag' (communism) slogans on posters were set up near city centers and important roads.

i don't know about Siad Barre himself, but he most likely was a tribalist along with the whole regime.

1. His regime forcefully displaced some clans and forced his own clansmen and extended clansmen into those regions.
2. The clan-map of the horn of Africa, was made in favor of his clan and extended clan.
3. He changed Imam Ahmed's history in favor of his clan.

At that time, there was no Darood in Gedo. He planted his tribe there as refuges from Ethiopia in the 70s.

Where did you get that from? Marehan have been living in Gedo and Juba regions for hundreds of years.

At that time, there was no Darood in Gedo. He planted his tribe there as refuges from Ethiopia in the 70s.

Where did you get that from? Marehan have been living in Gedo and Juba regions for hundreds of years.

You're talking bout Gedo or Juba?

At that time, there was no Darood in Gedo. He planted his tribe there as refuges from Ethiopia in the 70s.

Where did you get that from? Marehan have been living in Gedo and Juba regions for hundreds of years.

You're talking bout Gedo or Juba?

They had it all planned out along with the propaganda clan map made in the 1970's to enforce their claim all in favor of his clan and extended clan. It's sickening and disgusting and the truth always gets revealed in the end.

At that time, there was no Darood in Gedo. He planted his tribe there as refuges from Ethiopia in the 70s.

Where did you get that from? Marehan have been living in Gedo and Juba regions for hundreds of years.

You're talking bout Gedo or Juba?

Which book is that from?

If Marehan weren't in Gedo and Juba prior to the 1970s, then who pushed the Borana Oromo from those regions?

I'll let the Marehan crew deal with this nonsense.

Ismail, Marehaan crew dealt with this years ago, why rehash the same arguments over and over again?

ps. Abdishakur Othawai is some raxanwayne dude, and we all know raxanwayne ambitions, they claim all of Jubbaland let alone Gedo.

lol You guys are really brainwashed.

Marexan waligood waxay eheen langaab, how can they outnumber The Rahanwayn or Hawiya there?


I don't know about south Somaila in general, but from what I have see so far in Snet
they established them self in both Juba along with the other Harti way before SB.

Nevertheless, it doesn't change the fact they were refuges from Ogaden who have been settled in Gedo.

TGS likes to make the Darood a super clan in Somalia, don't fall for his nonsense.

An Isaaq calling Sade laangaab ; aduun gadoon

Here is a challenge to all Isaaq, post a city inhabited by one subclan of idoor that is equal to Cabudwaq. No shared cities, just one town purely inhabited by one subclan of Isaaq. This is how you know the thorough laangabness of some people.

lol You guys are really brainwashed.

Marexan waligood waxay eheen langaab, how can they outnumber The Rahanwayn or Hawiya there?


I don't know about south Somaila in general, but from what I have see so far in Snet
they established them self in both Juba along with the other Harti way before SB.

Nevertheless, it doesn't change the fact they were refuges from Ogaden who have been settled in Gedo.

TGS likes to make the Darood a super clan in Somalia, don't fall for his nonsense.

Dude get a grip, Raxanwayne oo ciida ka badan, and their base being in Bay and Bakool both bordering Gedo, could not take it with their Raxanwayne Malitia in the 90's. This is in the time where every qabil went to their deegaans and protected their turf. If they had any presence in Gedo they would have taken it over, despite trying many times.