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The first president of Somaliland was a anti secessionist unist

Postby SonofANomad » Mon Jun 01, 2015 1:27 pm

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Tuur was born in 1931 in Burao, then a part of the British Somaliland protectorate. He hailed from the Isaaq clan.[2]

In a professional capacity, Tuur worked as a government official and diplomat in Somalia's post-independence government. He later became the Chairman of the Somali National Movement (SNM), a guerilla force mainly drawn from his Isaaq clan, which was attempting to topple former President of Somalia Siad Barre's military regime. Although the SNM at its inception had a unionist constitution, it eventually began to pursue a separatist agenda, looking to secede from the rest of Somalia. Under Tuur's leadership, the local administration declared the northwestern Somali territories independent on 18 May 1991. He then became the newly established Somaliland polity’s first President, but subsequently renounced the separatist platform in 1994. Tuur concurrently began instead to publicly seek and advocate reconciliation with the rest of Somalia under a power-sharing federal system of governance.[3] In doing so, he also represented the interests of many other Isaaq members, who were against secession; particularly those within his own sub-clan.[2] Tuur additionally lent some support to the UNOSOM peace-building mission in the southern regions. This alienated him from Somaliland's succeeding government as well as certain former followers.[4]

When support for Tuur in southern Somalia failed to materialise, he was exiled to London UK for almost a decade, before returning to Somaliland on 10 February 2003, 9 months before his death on 8 November 2003.
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Vigorously opposed to secession by the north, the various Somali factions made statements at the conferences in Addis Ababa, Cairo and, most recently, Nairobi affirming the sanctity of Somali unity (Results n.d.; New African May 1994b, 8;The Christian Science Monitor 6 Jan. 1994). Political organizations such as the Somali Democratic Association (SDA) and the United Somali Party (USP), which represent the interests of the Gadabursi and the Darood (Warsengele and Dulbahante) respectively, are on record as being opposed to secession ( Leatherbee, Leah and Bricker Jan. 1994, 29). Further, in April 1994, the first head of state of the self-proclaimed republic, Abdirahman Ahmed Ali, currently president of the Somali National Movement, declared his opposition to secession during a press conference in the Ethiopian capital of Addis Ababa ( Reuters 30 Apr. 1994). He added that "the path followed by the Somali people in the north and south of the country to resolve the Somali crisis has not achieved the desired results" ( AP 29 Apr. 1994). The current president of Somaliland, Mohammed Egal, described Ahmed Ali as a traitor ( AFP 29 Apr. 1994); he had said that the people of the north did not want to [translation] "put their fate in the hands of a central power in Mogadishu" (Marchés tropicaux 28 Jan. 1994, 163). According to Reuters, "The north-west is still threatened by clan war between ethnic militias who want to keep their independence and others which want to rejoin the rest of Somalia" ( Reuters 10 Feb. 1994).
http://www.justice.gov/sites/default/fi ... _north.pdf

:Obama: in my opinion the guy has more common sense & Logic than any of these land rovers on this forum! Becuz he wanted to Unite with his fellow somali!

He never did used to do this victimhood waa waa siad barre boggie man nonsense ! He saw the wealth in a United somalia!

May Mr Tuur Rest in Peace! Hopefully a role model to every isaaq out there & every somali!

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Re: The first president of Somaliland was a anti secessionist unist

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Re: The first president of Somaliland was a anti secessionist unist

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Do you see how silent this topic is?

You would think that about 50 or so land rovers on this forum would storm this topic as well as the mods on this site!

instead its really quite not a word from them! its like its painful for them that they guy who founded & declared somaliland and was the first president hailing from the isaaq clan was against the idea of secessionism!

He was more pro unist Somalia and somaliweyn than the people down south all together! So what did the butthurt crybaby Land rovers do? they exiled him out of the govt and state he himself founded!

Walahi reading this story just comfirms they are one Anti-Somali Super qabilist group of people!
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Re: The first president of Somaliland was a anti secessionist unist

Postby WaaliCas » Mon Jun 01, 2015 4:43 pm

The truth is I believe you have some mental issues probably due to all that frozen Canadian weed.

All Landers know the history, the SNM manifesto, Egal's views and those of Abdirahman Tuur.

The entire SNM began as a struggle to topple the Barre regime and liberate all Somalis including his own Marehan; it's name--Somali National Movement, says it all.

SNM was found in 1981 in KSA. The idea to declare SL restoration only came on the 18th of May 1991. This decision was made after SL released Wanlawein will never resolve their differences in the south thus no point waiting for them. This feeling became the ultimate truth thus to this day they have no government only foreign project.

Whether Tuur, Egal, any SNM supported unity gov is today irrelevant. Isaac always put their kind first even when he is big time Christian like Michael Mariano or Atheist like our X-Playa or Ethiopian autocrat like myself, the Ras Hawdian :D From gaal, unionist, autocrat to a rebel they may disagree on solution but they always get behind the census decision by the public and that's how it will remain.

So in short no one wants to take a frozen Canadian-weed induced kid and his troll serious. You're not saying anything that Landers didn't know and don't embrace themselves.

Get off the weed before you become another Canadian statistics. That should be your goal not flood us with what you discovered today that we knew since day one of the project.

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Re: The first president of Somaliland was a anti secessionist unist

Postby SaciidAyanleh » Mon Jun 01, 2015 4:56 pm

It's actually quite sad. This kid is just learning the history but long before came to his conclusions based on nothing but prejudice and group think.

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Re: The first president of Somaliland was a anti secessionist unist

Postby WaaliCas » Mon Jun 01, 2015 5:30 pm

I'm all for him putting the baraf weed down and hitting Wikipedia but he learns things for the wrong reasons and that is not healthy.

The same Tuur nailed his Dhulo nomads and put Las Qorey out off business...sent plane loads of weapons to Aideed to chase more of his people to Dadaab and Utango. Of all Isaac Tuur is the one who put the most Hartis 6th feet under and brought their elders on a leash to Burao.

This Canadian statistic is clueless.

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Re: The first president of Somaliland was a anti secessionist unist

Postby Bandit » Mon Jun 01, 2015 5:36 pm

I'm all for him putting the baraf weed down and hitting Wikipedia but he learns things for the wrong reasons and that is not healthy.

The same Tuur nailed his Dhulo nomads and put Las Qorey out off business...sent plane loads of weapons to Aideed to chase more of his people to Dadaab and Utango. Of all Isaac Tuur is the one who put the most Hartis 6th feet under and brought their elders on a leash to Burao.

This Canadian statistic is clueless.
For a weak sub clan you people sure talk big :geek:

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Re: The first president of Somaliland was a anti secessionist unist

Postby SonofANomad » Mon Jun 01, 2015 7:47 pm

The truth is I believe you have some mental issues probably due to all that frozen Canadian weed.

All Landers know the history, the SNM manifesto, Egal's views and those of Abdirahman Tuur.

The entire SNM began as a struggle to topple the Barre regime and liberate all Somalis including his own Marehan; it's name--Somali National Movement, says it all.

SNM was found in 1981 in KSA. The idea to declare SL restoration only came on the 18th of May 1991. This decision was made after SL released Wanlawein will never resolve their differences in the south thus no point waiting for them. This feeling became the ultimate truth thus to this day they have no government only foreign project.

Whether Tuur, Egal, any SNM supported unity gov is today irrelevant. Isaac always put their kind first even when he is big time Christian like Michael Mariano or Atheist like our X-Playa or Ethiopian autocrat like myself, the Ras Hawdian :D From gaal, unionist, autocrat to a rebel they may disagree on solution but they always get behind the census decision by the public and that's how it will remain.

So in short no one wants to take a frozen Canadian-weed induced kid and his troll serious. You're not saying anything that Landers didn't know and don't embrace themselves.

Get off the weed before you become another Canadian statistics. That should be your goal not flood us with what you discovered today that we knew since day one of the project.
Nope not a troll i don't do weed! I only do khat! In any case!

You guys weren't behind or his Isaaq sub clan which is why you exiled him and took arms against him & his supporter!

You guys Even called him and his sub clan traitors!

So it actual defeats the nonsense ur saying!

They guy founded the oh so lovely secessionists state you guys are proud of but preached unification , the question becomes since you guys like indoctrinating ur kids much like puntlanders do! Wil'l you teach people ur first presidents mindset was completly opposite!

I forgot history will be irrelevant for land rovers when its not in their agenda, They can spew this anti somalia rethoric will celebrating ur first pres & not become hypocritical!

Actually i am Saying something landers did not know about themselves & they're history! Embrace? The unwillingness to speak about it tells otherwise!

Long live abdirahmand ahmed ali tuur!

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Re: The first president of Somaliland was a anti secessionist unist

Postby SonofANomad » Mon Jun 01, 2015 7:55 pm

I'm all for him putting the baraf weed down and hitting Wikipedia but he learns things for the wrong reasons and that is not healthy.

The same Tuur nailed his Dhulo nomads and put Las Qorey out off business...sent plane loads of weapons to Aideed to chase more of his people to Dadaab and Utango. Of all Isaac Tuur is the one who put the most Hartis 6th feet under and brought their elders on a leash to Burao.

This Canadian statistic is clueless.
Lool i fail to see how the link i listed below became Wikipedia

http://www.justice.gov/sites/default/fi ... _north.pdf

This link which is from justice government site!

Again i dont do weed i do khat! Weak insult you land Rover!

Dont know how you can utter such bullshitt without one source!

However doesn't change the fact that he was anti secessionist & got chased by his own isaaq group becuz of it!

What does it Say when They guy that started this Somaliland land Roving state did the total opposite than what his people preach today!

It is super ironic! But hey keep being butthurt about history of ur stupid state!

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Re: The first president of Somaliland was a anti secessionist unist

Postby WaaliCas » Mon Jun 01, 2015 10:11 pm

What do you need sources for son?

Ask your uncle Ali Khalif who put a leash on his neck and brought him to Burao to sign 18 May?

It was none other than the great SNM warrior Tuur----who karbaashed your people mercilessly. Tuur's plan was simple. He cleared the north from all those associated with Barre while Aideed did the same in the south. Then the two were to meet in Galkacayo.

Tuur wanted SNM to occupy beyond the British borders.

It's good to see a Dhulbahante respecting his father----the father of SL. All the Dhulo elders rushed to Burao when he gave them ultimatum.

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Re: The first president of Somaliland was a anti secessionist unist

Postby theyuusuf143 » Tue Jun 02, 2015 3:10 am

The truth is I believe you have some mental issues probably due to all that frozen Canadian weed.

All Landers know the history, the SNM manifesto, Egal's views and those of Abdirahman Tuur.

The entire SNM began as a struggle to topple the Barre regime and liberate all Somalis including his own Marehan; it's name--Somali National Movement, says it all.

SNM was found in 1981 in KSA. The idea to declare SL restoration only came on the 18th of May 1991. This decision was made after SL released Wanlawein will never resolve their differences in the south thus no point waiting for them. This feeling became the ultimate truth thus to this day they have no government only foreign project.

Whether Tuur, Egal, any SNM supported unity gov is today irrelevant. Isaac always put their kind first even when he is big time Christian like Michael Mariano or Atheist like our X-Playa or Ethiopian autocrat like myself, the Ras Hawdian :D From gaal, unionist, autocrat to a rebel they may disagree on solution but they always get behind the census decision by the public and that's how it will remain.

So in short no one wants to take a frozen Canadian-weed induced kid and his troll serious. You're not saying anything that Landers didn't know and don't embrace themselves.

Get off the weed before you become another Canadian statistics. That should be your goal not flood us with what you discovered today that we knew since day one of the project.
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Re: The first president of Somaliland was a anti secessionist unist

Postby Rambie » Tue Jun 02, 2015 4:12 am

The truth is I believe you have some mental issues probably due to all that frozen Canadian weed.

All Landers know the history, the SNM manifesto, Egal's views and those of Abdirahman Tuur.

The entire SNM began as a struggle to topple the Barre regime and liberate all Somalis including his own Marehan; it's name--Somali National Movement, says it all.

SNM was found in 1981 in KSA. The idea to declare SL restoration only came on the 18th of May 1991. This decision was made after SL released Wanlawein will never resolve their differences in the south thus no point waiting for them. This feeling became the ultimate truth thus to this day they have no government only foreign project.

Whether Tuur, Egal, any SNM supported unity gov is today irrelevant. Isaac always put their kind first even when he is big time Christian like Michael Mariano or Atheist like our X-Playa or Ethiopian autocrat like myself, the Ras Hawdian :D From gaal, unionist, autocrat to a rebel they may disagree on solution but they always get behind the census decision by the public and that's how it will remain.

So in short no one wants to take a frozen Canadian-weed induced kid and his troll serious. You're not saying anything that Landers didn't know and don't embrace themselves.

Get off the weed before you become another Canadian statistics. That should be your goal not flood us with what you discovered today that we knew since day one of the project.
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Re: The first president of Somaliland was a anti secessionist unist

Postby mahoka » Tue Jun 02, 2015 4:17 am

I'm all for him putting the baraf weed down and hitting Wikipedia but he learns things for the wrong reasons and that is not healthy.

The same Tuur nailed his Dhulo nomads and put Las Qorey out off business...sent plane loads of weapons to Aideed to chase more of his people to Dadaab and Utango. Of all Isaac Tuur is the one who put the most Hartis 6th feet under and brought their elders on a leash to Burao.

This Canadian statistic is clueless.
For a weak sub clan you people sure talk big :geek:

Hy is not weak, their sub clans have been abusing cagdheer and harti for ever. You must be.new to somali qabiils and history

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Re: The first president of Somaliland was a anti secessionist unist

Postby mahoka » Tue Jun 02, 2015 4:21 am

What do you need sources for son?

Ask your uncle Ali Khalif who put a leash on his neck and brought him to Burao to sign 18 May?

It was none other than the great SNM warrior Tuur----who karbaashed your people mercilessly. Tuur's plan was simple. He cleared the north from all those associated with Barre while Aideed did the same in the south. Then the two were to meet in Galkacayo.

Tuur wanted SNM to occupy beyond the British borders.

It's good to see a Dhulbahante respecting his father----the father of SL. All the Dhulo elders rushed to Burao when he gave them ultimatum.
Tuur was a hero, unfortunately he did not count on the savagery of the digir eating niiko mooryans who killed and massacred innocent people because they were darood.

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Re: The first president of Somaliland was a anti secessionist unist

Postby PrinceNugaalHawd » Tue Jun 02, 2015 5:20 am

Waalicas isn't that the kid who worships Amxaara & Tigray? lol

SXB Tuur and his clan was the one who were Chased out Somaliland LOOOL ninkaasa Dhulbahante iyo Warsangeli waax yeelaay? lol

Secondly having a peace reconciliation is good for everybody but to idoor's it must mean something else.


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