SNM 1988 entering Hargeisa

[Geeljire252]

^ Yaa gaal kaan noo keenay

[X.Playa]

^ Yaa gaal kaan noo keenay

Adoonyow Hawley maxaa adiga ku keenay my Somaliland section.

[Nubis]

The question I'm asking is; If they managed to overthrow Aabe Siyad Barre how come they could not replace him and rule the nation? How come the USC failed to rule the entire nation. Why were all the state institutions destroyed, houses looted, innocent people killed and ppl made refugees? Why has Somalia been a failure and been burning for a quarter a century?

How come the USC and the rebel groups failed to come togheter and lead the nation?
I don't understand this at all, does anyone know the answers????

The answer is simply Afweyne didn't leave a country behind to be run.

How so? The country was somewhat peaceful, with state institutions, security, education etc when Barre left. If you're going out of your way to overthrow a government, why not go all the way, and make sure to do an even better job than the former government and give the somali people access to opportunities, and build the nation, instead of creating mayhem, suffering and chaos for quarter a century.
What was their point, really, and was the legacy they left behind worth it at the end of the day ( Amisom, war, refugees, Alshabab etc).

Other rebel groups in certain other countries have managed to replace the government they overthrew, and do a great job(?).
Pardon me, but it seems like the rebel groups in Somalia never had long-term vision, nor the intelligence to lead an entire nation.

[X.Playa]

When Afweyne and his darood clanns men were chased out. There was no country not a single institution survived the civil war, there was no security the army was destroyed, Afweyne and his ogaden defence Minster Adan Gabyo used that institution as a cash cow for daroods, also due to ferocious open tribalism and hubris other clans left the army by 1990 what was called army were daarood tribe with poor non daarood draftees.

[Rambie]

This video is great education to the likes of our friend Dr. Dameer el Haji el Yalaxow

SNM had thousands upon thousands of fighters in the 80s and did the regime the biggest damages militarily, economically and diplomatically. So much so Barre lost full control and began hiring Rhodesian pilots to bomb Hargeisa---which brought only the world's attention to the issue.

https://www.facebook.com/king.abdirizaa ... 080564964/

It is May 30th 1988. SNM already stormed Burao few days ago.

SSDF long handed itself back to the regime.

USC was still crawling baby in the SNM pram.


All Aideed managed to do was show in Mogadishu when Barre was already defeated, exhausted and psychologically unfit.

My challenge to USC kids is to show us any USC video even 1990s like the one above.

If you can't produce it, silence is better.

Then came their sons...

Oromo boy firstable the video we dont see SNM entering hargeysa.. We only see View of light armed men in the bushes.. Second no one disputed SNM kamakazi style attacked part of burco and Hargeysa 1988. but in a weeks SNM was tottaly defeated. there is no single town in north Somalia that SNM captured and controlled until Siyaad bare was overthrown by USC.

SNM did not capture one single town in the north while Siyaad bare was still in the power and thats shows you how failed was this group SNM,.
Even the border crossing town of togwajaale was hands of siyaad bare regime even when the 26 janaayo 1991 Siyaad barre goverment collapsed..

USC does not need videos. when USC overthrown The Siyaad bare regime 26 janaayo 1991. HARGEYSA BURCO. BERBERA was still hands of Siyaad bare regime.. And failed SNM entred hargeysa burco berbera 29 janaayo 1991 and there are video proof of that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCzsLvojRIo

Waxaad fiirisaa date 29 janaayo 1991.. SNM wali banaanka ayey joogtaa oo wali ma qabsan hargeysa burco berbera oo cidla ah... waa meel 3 maalin ka hor 26 janaayo 1991 xukunkii siyaad bare oo dhacay qabiiil walibana their qabiiland ay qabsadeen.. hhhhhhhhh

War nacas yahow willy ma noshahay? USC toke em 2
months to take back xamar from small squad of red barrets 3 dayska ad ku washid is a bless in comparison.

[theyuusuf143]

And here is Somaliland Under SNM rule

https://youtu.be/iZhE_3U6mWE

[kanadiid90]

^ Somalia=only Mogadishu

[Rambie]

USC fought the 21 st division based in Dhusamareeb, the 60th division in Baidoa, the 54 division in Mudug, the 77th division in lower Shabelle and Xamar.
SNM only fought 26th division.

https://youtu.be/T4jM1Z_3aBY[/youtube]
After USC overthrew Afweyne, SNM had no more battles to fight whereas USC fought Gen Morgan who was known for saying "waa dagaal Darood iyo Hawiye" and 28 UNOSOM countries. SNM could not capture 1 city for 3 years (1988-1991) when it took USC less than 6 months to capture the whole of south central Somalia (11 out of the 18 regions of Somalia). USC and SNM can not be compared the only thing they have in common was Geesiyaal Wadanimo ku jirto bay ahayeen and that's what I respect about them.
SNM
USC

https://youtu.be/P85qpdCprvo[/youtube]

Sources? Take a note though by 89 there was virtually no SNA as the funding was cut.
The so called divisions you speak all come under Baidoa sector. The 60th division of 1977
is not the same of 1989. Look a bunch of deserted SPM toke over all 60th division equipment and
were still chased out by the poeple of Baidoa ..... with bows and arrows!



It's not the same mighty division that conquered Godey anymore.


Also, give credit where it duo, it wasn't the USC who toke over half of the country
but the SNA (Somali national alliance) which was a cluster of several wings of apposition
movements SPM (OG) SDA (RX) SSNM (southern Dir) AKA the Somali National Alliance (SNA)


Of course later USC would massacre most if not all it's former partners.


USC is the illegitimate son of SNM and if it wasn't for 88 offence and the major blunder from Barre side, USC wouldn't even exist.



USC can't be compared to SNM, SNM was a well organised unit that
fought a whole army for well over ten years until it crumbled it to it's knees.
USC in comparison is bunch of moryans with AK who fought nothing red barrets and some
Darood militia with a group of other movements.

[DR-YALAXOOW]

Dr Dameer for God's sake learn the techniques of the forum don't quote a huge post then add your huge reply.

What so special about the date, this the snm taking Berbera the last faqash strong hold. What did you think the video was about the beginning of the war? By that time both hargaisa and burco were taken, ceerigabo was taken and in this video the SNM is chasing general cabdicaziiz cali bare a general who admitted on the bbc that the somali army was destroyed by the snm and the usc didn't face any somali army.

SNM entered burco hargeysa berbera 29 janaayo 1991... thats well known and you can not change it. its a fact qaldaaan idiot....

kamakazi style attack in 1998 burco and hargeysa by SNM ended tottal defead and all isaaq population become refugees .. 1989 SNM was planning to surrender.. After siyaad bare goverment ended 26 janaayo 1991 hargeysa burco and berbera was still hands of Siyaaad bare for more than 3 days after siyaad barre goverment collapsed...
watch the video.. its last days 0f siyaad bare regime janaayo 1991 and SNM IS STILL in the bushes..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YpGS_4wt_8

[MayDay777]

Siad Barre

[X.Playa]

Dr Dameer for God's sake learn the techniques of the forum don't quote a huge post then add your huge reply.

What so special about the date, this the snm taking Berbera the last faqash strong hold. What did you think the video was about the beginning of the war? By that time both hargaisa and burco were taken, ceerigabo was taken and in this video the SNM is chasing general cabdicaziiz cali bare a general who admitted on the bbc that the somali army was destroyed by the snm and the usc didn't face any somali army.

SNM entered burco hargeysa berbera 29 janaayo 1991... thats well known and you can not change it. its a fact qaldaaan idiot....

kamakazi style attack in 1998 burco and hargeysa by SNM ended tottal defead and all isaaq population become refugees .. 1989 SNM was planning to surrender.. After siyaad bare goverment ended 26 janaayo 1991 hargeysa burco and berbera was still hands of Siyaaad bare for more than 3 days after siyaad barre goverment collapsed...
watch the video.. its last days 0f siyaad bare regime janaayo 1991 and SNM IS STILL in the bushes..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YpGS_4wt_8

Dr Dameer I don't see how this video of the last city been taken proves your weak argument. The video is the Berbera attack the last snm battle by this time the faqash were completely cleansed from hargaisa and much of the west. Berbera survived the long siege because it was supplied through the sea.

[X.Playa]

Nubian stop trolling . Where are the useless Somaliland section mods? These guys sleep on the job we need better mods.

[Nubis]

Siad Barre

AUN.

[balwarama]

looks like Nubian has hit a nerve! Somebody is running to the mods.

[DR-YALAXOOW]

Dr Dameer I don't see how this video of the last city been taken proves your weak argument. The video is the Berbera attack the last snm battle by this time the faqash were completely cleansed from hargaisa and much of the west. Berbera survived the long siege because it was supplied through the sea.

qaldaaan SNM come hargeysa burco and berbera after siyaad bare goverment ended.. its a fact..a fact that you can not change....

Qaldaaan you said 1988 SNM captured ceerigaabo and they held that town until siyaad bare goverment ended 26 janaayo 1991 ???


so i would like to ask you from 1988 to 1991 ceerigaabo was controlled by SNM ??? is that what your saying ???