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Re: SNM 1988 entering Hargeisa
Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 10:25 am
by X.Playa
Dr Dameer and his Hawiye herd have not presented a single sources to substantiate their claim , fact is the evidence for the SNM as the movement that broke the back of the Afweyne regime is substantiated by every major western historians of the conflict. so why the Hawiye stubbornly like a donkey insist on their revisionism. either present evidence like the Isaaq did or accede the point.
Re: SNM 1988 entering Hargeisa
Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 10:53 am
by Khalid Ali
dr yalaxow has no point he just repeats the same nonsense over and over again with nothing he even went quoting a small skimirish between the gadhweyn back in 2011 when they chased a few dhulos in ceerigaabo and present it as 1991 xasuuq lol
Re: SNM 1988 entering Hargeisa
Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 2:13 pm
by AwRastaale
X. Playa,
The first USC was the Rome division and Long before Aideed arrived in Ethiopia 300 Abgaal fighters were already in the south.
Looks like you don't know what you talking about.
USC was created by Ali Wardhiigley and the likes of Jimcaale Osoble.
Jimcaale was to replace Barre but he fell ill and died in Rome. Some say the Italian mafia hired by Ali Mahdi poisoned him in exchange to dump the chemical waste.
Rome, Mogadishu (Ali Mahdi), Addis (Aideed) was the order.
Aideed arrived in Ethiopia December 1989 but USC was created in the Hawiye Rome conference that took place January-Feb 1989.
Re: SNM 1988 entering Hargeisa
Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 2:19 pm
by X.Playa
Cali Wardhiigale was not Abgaal, and 300 Abgaal collected somewhere means nothing those who were at Mustaxiil conference with the SPM and SNM were the once who reached Muqdisho through Afgooye just shortly before the uprise in Muqdisho. 300 getting collected somewhere means nothing , one can argue in similar lines that the SNM began with Afraad under Maxamed Cali who battled the OLF death squads, but that is just splitting hair and just pure polemic.
Re: SNM 1988 entering Hargeisa
Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 2:33 pm
by DR-YALAXOOW
dr yalaxow has no point he just repeats the same nonsense over and over again ]
Waxaan ku andacootay inay SNM qabsadeen Ceerigaaabo 1989. Arrintaa inay 100% been abuur tahay waxaa kuu cadeeyey websiyada qabiilkaaga ay leeyihiin ay qoreen Xasuuuq ka dhacay Ceerigaaabo march 1989.. xasuuqaa ciidamadii dawladii Somalia ay xasuuqeen Isaaaq.
taa waxay ku tuseysaa ceerigaabo 1989 inay 100% maamulayeen dawladii maxamed siyaad bare AUN.. Haddii ay SNM maamuli lahaayeen ceerigaabo 1989 of course xasuuq looma geeysteen SNM QABIILKA AY KA SOO JEEDO..
axannu halkan idiinku soo gudbineynaa qaar ka mid ah magacyada dadkii shicibka ahaa ee iyaga oo aan waxba galabsan sida arxan darrada ah loogu xasuuqay magaalada Ceerigaabo ee gobolka Sanaag, taariikhdu markay ahayd 16 March 1989 kii
MUUSE ISMAACIIL (Habar Yoonis)
(a) Jibriil Tuurwaa
(b) Cabdalle Xaamud (Cismaan Tuurwaa)
1. Cali Jibriil Yeyle .
2. Cali Farax Ka-jar .
3. Biixi Cige Cali .
4. Shiine Jamac Farax .
5. Ducaale Xuseen (Buufiye) Nin walan .
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http://www.daalonews.com/History/Xasuuq ... gaabo.html
Re: SNM 1988 entering Hargeisa
Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 2:39 pm
by AwRastaale
I didn't say Wardhiigley was Abgaal. If you read proper you will see I said he was Murursade but Rome was dominated by Abgaal immigrants. You can't run a rebel without the finances. Rome was the financial body. This was the Mudulood front.
Aideed was brought to Ethiopia not by the Mudulood but by SNM.
Aideed alread was feeling alienated and sidelined by USC Rome who rather financed Ali Mahdi.
And that's why he was SNM loyalist and said any process they are not part is null void.
Re: SNM 1988 entering Hargeisa
Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 3:09 pm
by X.Playa
Never mind that who did the fighting??? Aydid front not that cook Cali Naafto.
Re: SNM 1988 entering Hargeisa
Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 6:03 pm
by luis1
The reality about SNM is the next one:
SNM launched an offensive against Barre in 1988, this offensive was military disaster, because Siad Barre recovered all the cities seized by SNM.
After 1988 failure, SNM rebels controlled Somaliland countryside and besieged Somaliland cities and towns, Somali army in the North was surrounded by SNM.
Re: SNM 1988 entering Hargeisa
Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 6:08 pm
by JSL3000
The reality about SNM is the next one:
SNM launched an offensive against Barre in 1988, this offensive was military disaster, because Siad Barre recovered all the cities seized by SNM.
After 1988 failure, SNM rebels controlled Somaliland countryside and besieged Somaliland cities and towns, Somali army in the North was surrounded by SNM.
That's not disaster that's called a victory.
Re: SNM 1988 entering Hargeisa
Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 6:13 pm
by luis1
The 1988 offensive was a militar disaster for SNM because it was expelled from all the cities they have captured. After 1989, SNM regained Somaliland countryside and besieged Somaliland cities, period.
Re: SNM 1988 entering Hargeisa
Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 6:28 pm
by JSL3000
The 1988 offensive was a militar disaster for SNM because it was expelled from all the cities they have captured. After 1989, SNM regained Somaliland countryside and besieged Somaliland cities, period.
What other choice did they have mengistu signed deal with afweyne for them to leave ethiopia border region only option was attack the capital end war for good but the regime went after civilians and destroy the towns.
Re: SNM 1988 entering Hargeisa
Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 6:36 pm
by X.Playa
It wasn't, in fact after the regime massacred isaaq civilians the entire fighting age isaaq males and some women were in arms. It was a disaster for the faqash.
Re: SNM 1988 entering Hargeisa
Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 7:01 pm
by luis1
What other choice did they have mengistu signed deal with afweyne for them to leave ethiopia border region only option was attack the capital end war for good but the regime went after civilians and destroy the towns.
You are talking about another issue.
The reality is SNM offensive was a disaster and after 1989, SNM controlled the countryside of Somaliland. The sources support my standpoint.
Check the sources of Khalid Ali
Re: SNM 1988 entering Hargeisa
Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 7:04 pm
by JSL3000
What other choice did they have mengistu signed deal with afweyne for them to leave ethiopia border region only option was attack the capital end war for good but the regime went after civilians and destroy the towns.
You are talking about another issue.
The reality is SNM offensive was a disaster and after 1989, SNM controlled the countryside of Somaliland. The sources support my standpoint.
In 1989 they captured every major town besides berbera your sources don't passed 1988.
Re: SNM 1988 entering Hargeisa
Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 7:06 pm
by luis1
Man, do you understand English? Dont you?
I agree with Khalid Ali point view,please read the last of post of Khalid Ali.