Saami Qaybsiga Somaliland

[Maroodijex]

A lot of people talk about the fact that the current parliament is made up majority from Iidoor clans. Also, a lot of politicians and academics from Dhulous, Warsan and Gudabersi point a finger to the Executive branch, legislative branch and judiciary branches of Somaliland and they say all of these branches are under lock, stock, and barrel of the iidoor clans.

Now, personally, I would like to see a fair and equitable Somaliland. There is nothing that the fella clan member who is occupying a high level position in the government is benefiting myself or my immediate family members. So, I am not here to defend such a man who cares less about anyone else other than himself and his back pockets.

But I do care if the position in question goes to a member of a clan who is feeling injustice, because I believe it will have a psychological affect for the said clan's members and may advance the peace and prosperity of our nation as a whole. So, forgoing few top positions buy the loyalty of the Dhulous, Warsan or Gudabersi could be the missing sauce that Somaliland was looking for.

Anyway, from your own perspective, what should an equatible, fair and just division of the Somaliland Statehood Pie looks like?

Should we create a Prime Ministerial role to cater for the Dhulous? Should we go for a union similar to the Emirates whereby each clan have their own Sheikh and the Shiekhs form the government? What are your ideas?

[PrinceNugaalHawd]

The French model should be an example if u want a PM, the PM is responsible for Domestic affairs, the President for Foriegn, Economy, Military Affairs, the Emirates is a good example too but they have limited Sheikhs and Sheikhdoms And they listen to each other, we have too many Sultans, I don't know if we would limit it to the Royal Head of each clan.

But the Pairliament Senate should be 50% Isaaq,50% the rest and should be appointed. The Lower House should be elected by districts.

Council of Ministers should be shared fairly too, Deputy ministers, department directors, officers, etc Represantation & Quality.

Or they can keep the current and make it better.

[Djiboutian]

A lot of people talk about the fact that the current parliament is made up majority from Iidoor clans.

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But I do care if the position in question goes to a member of a clan who is feeling injustice

I don't know what you are talking about.

Marnaba ma fiicna in amuuraha khilaaf ka dhalan karo la hadal haayo. There are more important matters to discuss.

[Sanbalolshe]

Well its mostly the Idoor who cast their vote, and so it goes without saying that they will dominate the parliament. It does not take much of an Einstein to figure that out. The gudabiirsi are allowed to complain since they do actually vote. But considering the fact that that they are numerically less than the sacad muuse no one will give a shit about what they have to say about anything. Lakiin inay iska qayliyaan waa loo ogolyahay. Let them wait for wadani or whenever the HY come to power and take their complaints up with the libaaxyada aka the delusional bisado. Dhulbahante and warsangeli are simply irrelevant as things stand. They need to vote or shudda fuck up.

[JSLHistorian]

Isaaq is about 70% of Somaliland. So it is unfair to suggest 50% - 50% in the parliament.

[Sharmarke91]

Isaaq is about 70% of Somaliland. So it is unfair to suggest 50% - 50% in the parliament.

LOL where did you dig that statistic from? Isaaq are 60% of the population max.

[Ben Dover]

Membership of parliament should not be allocated to clans, and equally, we should not create a quota for MPs' clans, this will onlt breed resentment over time. The one man one vote system should continue to be used for parliamentary elections. I think we should utilise the three top offices of President, head of Parliament and head of Gurti more liberally. Maybe even officially recognise the minster of presidential affairs as the prime ministerial position it actually is. Wasiirka madaxtooyada is the defacto Prime Minister, why do we keep using the daft Wasiirka Madaxtooyada title?

In the long run a more fundamental change is needed. a system where winner takes all like we have today enhances the grip qabiil has over our politics. A way to combat this is to use AV. Here, constituents rank candidates based on preference and you end up with MPs that are more representative of their constituencies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoKlE1_vrYU

This will force political parties to be more inclusive of all clans in SL. No longer will a coalition of two subclans (HJ and SM as an example) guarantee results regardless of how large they are. Each candidate will make sure to cater to all communities and will try to associate themselves with all of the communities.

[JSLHistorian]

Isaaq is about 70% of Somaliland. So it is unfair to suggest 50% - 50% in the parliament.

LOL where did you dig that statistic from? Isaaq are 60% of the population max.

A general survey of British Somaliland population back in 1944.


Dhulbahante = 15.6% , Warsangeli = 3.1% , Gadabursi = 7.0% - total together = 25.7% of Somaliland population. As for Cisse most of
them left Somaliland to Djibouti when Djibouti got independence.

[theyuusuf143]

Samiiqaybsigu should be based on population, I can't say my region togdheer should get equal number of seats as Hargeisa that's clear unfair distribution. Awdal region knows this fact that their regional population is smaller than both togdheer and maroodijeex so they came up this bullshit "We are clans and we should share seats as a individual clans" they believe that by using the gadabuursi card they can have more seats . Because it's difficult to count clan numbers. Now the ball is between isaaq and gadabuursi, and the later is demanding more seats, I think if harti get involved this drama things will change in a fair way.

[BigBreak]

Isaaq is about 70% of Somaliland. So it is unfair to suggest 50% - 50% in the parliament.

LOL where did you dig that statistic from? Isaaq are 60% of the population max.

well your only 10% short

[PrinceNugaalHawd]

Those were all examples guys lets calm down. We don't know how things will turn out.

I think in my opinion the lower house should be based on population and district N the upper house like it is now the clans.

[MRnutritionist]

I head the qaldaans want to take some of the 4.5 ideas.

My friends welcome to hawiye invented democracy, my only advice is don't abuse our justice system like puntland who used 3.5 sadbursi MJ subclans.

4.5 formula is equal opportunity calculations to get it right it has to be equal where everyone can see him self.

[ramzy2277]

[quote="Sharmarke91"

LOL where did you dig that statistic from? Isaaq are 60% of the population max.[/quote]

According to US CIA records of 2002 , Isaaq are 22% of what was known as the Somalia Republic and Darood are 20%.



most daroods ignorantly use this map to show how large the population based on the the lands they occupy ( Neglecting share Numbers the left side of the map ) but that is not accurate, most of their lands is desert or semi-desert,and have less concentration that other regions like maroodi jeex,togdheer or even lower shebel.

this is from university of texas library collections,it has old and modern maps of the former Somalia republic.

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/somalia.html

scroll down till Somali Thematic Maps and select Ethnic groups....and u shall find ur the correction to ur false 60% assumption. (Max ).

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About the topic, I was wondering why no one was addressing this sensitive topic , Somaliland parliamentary elections last time was held was in 2005 and it kept being postponed because of this same problem of SAAMI QAYBSI.

To be honest I am not happy that isaaq dominates the majority of parliaments seats or the cabinet ministers , but truth also is that isaaqs are the most committed to the political process and dawladnimo of Somaliland, they register themselves for elections or national IDs, the pay taxes regularly, they go to SL courts and accept their decisions, so in a way its fair if they dominate the bulk of Somaliland while other communities are like observers or behave as if SL is a temp phase,hence their reluctance to pay to set up their own political parties,or take their domestic problems to SL courts and pay all the legal fees...etc.

I believe Qoata system should be integrated with the one man one vote system, as there are minority clans that cant compete big clans so quota will be approperate for such clans ( but at least there should be also one man one vote among themselves as well, so evey smalled clans can elect their candidates)

as for the one man one vote system, the other clans like samaron or harti must understand there is nothing called isaaq when it comes to politics , there is sub clans ,i,e,habro, and even it got worse as it went deeper to the Raas ama Jilib of Sub-clans instead of the upper root ,so and unfortunately but the truth is they must start to make allegiances among themselves and with the other tribes in SL.

but the negative part of this one man one vote in SL is the winner takes all, that means even if u come second by a margin of 0.00001% u will be out of the excutive branch of government although coming that close to win mean u have a huge public base that SHOULD be represented in the government but unfortunately that is not the case.

So I would suggest to change this '' winner take it all'' style and have a an a proportional kind of government /Parliament that represents the three parties.

take a lot of this example.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QT0I-sdoSXU

[PrinceNugaalHawd]

Imagine Berbera International Port serving Ethiopia, South Sudan, Uganda, Rwanda, Burundi all the way to Chad and land locked nations. Medium ports on the Red Sea from Celaayo, Laasqoray, Xiis, Maydh, Bulaxaar, Lugahaya, Zeila serving the nation. International Hargaisa Airport as a Transit hub, Medium Airports serving the other cities.

Trains carrying Livestock from Burao to the ports, Oil & Gas pipelines from the east carrying to plants and on to ships.

Highways, industry, Farms, irrigation, water dams, schools, sidewalks, trees, planned cities, Hospitals, Schools,Firestations, Good governance, peace & safety Law & order, these things is what I imagine!

[Sharmarke91]

Isaaq is about 70% of Somaliland. So it is unfair to suggest 50% - 50% in the parliament.

LOL where did you dig that statistic from? Isaaq are 60% of the population max.

A general survey of British Somaliland population back in 1944.


Dhulbahante = 15.6% , Warsangeli = 3.1% , Gadabursi = 7.0% - total together = 25.7% of Somaliland population. As for Cisse most of
them left Somaliland to Djibouti when Djibouti got independence.

That population survey was just an estimate, it wasn't a proper census + that was done many years ago and a lot has changed. if you look at the most recent survey by UNFPA you can see that the Isaaq's make around 56% of the population!

Harti - 719K (20.54%)

reer Awdal (Gadubiiris & ciise) - 673K (19.33%)

Isaaq - 1.978M (56.51%)

I don't really agree with these numbers either but currently that's the most recent figures.