Why do people support war criminal like tuke

[Tijoux]

all warcriminals should face jusitice for the crimes the comitted im 100% for that , but if you protect ur warcriminals then dont be mad when others do the same

[Dhulbahantking]

I watch a documentary about siad barra generals on YouTube, A Canadian reporter from CBC was doing the investigation on them and on one part he was coming across people objecting to his investigation from supporters of tuke and others , I gathered they are his tol, but with this I see them been hypercritical becos one hand they saying we are pro unionist and we wish Somaliland to join Somalia on the other hand they denying the war crimes committed against them. Please explain this people

The documentary

one mans villain is another mans hero. take is not a war criminal rather he is a war veteran and a national treasure.

[SuldaanOfSanaag]

As always.....it must be Gospel if it came out of a white mans mouth.

Like the dervish been majority dhulos by I.M lewis

[Advo]

Because of qabyaalad

No one thinks their guy is guilty of any crimes, he was defending the tol in their mind thus completely innocent of any wrong doings. Landers have welcomed their criminals with high posts and positions while they point the finger at other criminals from rival qabiils. Same with darood and hawiye.

Everyone is a victim but no one wants to admit their guilty.

It's just the way the cookie crumbles in Somalia

[PrinceNugaalHawd]

Bring all your criminals then we will except it.

You Idoors can't be bragging about how you killed innocent civilians and then cry about war criminals. Waar maa anaaga walaan? Hawiye, Darood, Digil & Mirifle, Cad Caad, Jareer all massacared each other & moved on. You Idoors don't have a closure, 1 day yourl are crying about a massacre the next you are bragging about Genoicide on your neighbours.

[Ben Dover]

Because of qabyaalad

No one thinks their guy is guilty of any crimes, he was defending the tol in their mind thus completely innocent of any wrong doings. Landers have welcomed their criminals with high posts and positions while they point the finger at other criminals from rival qabiils. Same with darood and hawiye.

Everyone is a victim but no one wants to admit their guilty.

It's just the way the cookie crumbles in Somalia

Nonsense.

You have been challenged a number of times to bring forth any evidence that Isaaq or SNM committed any atrocities. Not a single piece of evidence was brought up. Yet you continue to go on about claim it is all due to qabyaalad and 'everyone has criminals' which is pure nonsense.

Isaaqs were targeted and lost 200,000+ civilians. The criminals who have committed these atrocities are known. The evidence is abundant. The case against them is very clear.

You either have to drop the 'every clan has criminal' narrative or provide evidence of what you claim.

- Did Isaaq commit any atrocities?

- If yes, who?

- When did they do so? Dates, places, duration.

- How many people did they kill?

- What are the names of the people they killed.

-What evidence do you have?

If you can not answer these questions you have no case.

Darods keep running to this false narrative when they are confronted with the realities of what their 'heroes' did. But SNM, and by extension Isaaq were exemplary in how they dealt with neighbouring clans. Just keep in mind, Isaaq were the single strongest force in what was known as Somalia. They could have gone 'Hawiye' on their neighbouring clans very easily.

So unless you can answer the question above, this meek "we all have our criminals" excuse is a non-starter.

[Sharmarke91]

Because of qabyaalad

No one thinks their guy is guilty of any crimes, he was defending the tol in their mind thus completely innocent of any wrong doings. Landers have welcomed their criminals with high posts and positions while they point the finger at other criminals from rival qabiils. Same with darood and hawiye.

Everyone is a victim but no one wants to admit their guilty.

It's just the way the cookie crumbles in Somalia

Nonsense.

You have been challenged a number of times to bring forth any evidence that Isaaq or SNM committed any atrocities. Not a single piece of evidence was brought up. Yet you continue to go on about claim it is all due to qabyaalad and 'everyone has criminals' which is pure nonsense.

Isaaqs were targeted and lost 200,000+ civilians. The criminals who have committed these atrocities are known. The evidence is abundant. The case against them is very clear.

You either have to drop the 'every clan has criminal' narrative or provide evidence of what you claim.

- Did Isaaq commit any atrocities?

- If yes, who?

- When did they do so? Dates, places, duration.

- How many people did they kill?

- What are the names of the people they killed.

-What evidence do you have?

If you can not answer these questions you have no case.

Darods keep running to this false narrative when they are confronted with the realities of what their 'heroes' did. But SNM, and by extension Isaaq were exemplary in how they dealt with neighbouring clans. Just keep in mind, Isaaq were the single strongest force in what was known as Somalia. They could have gone 'Hawiye' on their neighbouring clans very easily.

So unless you can answer the question above, this meek "we all have our criminals" excuse is a non-starter.

Walahay ninkan waan la yaaba! Are you serious sxb?

Or are just forgetting about the atrocities committed in Borama & Dila in the early 90s? Are you not currently about to elect the warlord responsible for this, Muse Bixi, as your president?

And are you forgetting the massacre you committed in Buuhoodle district? I can give you the names of the 100s of men who perished, my own uncle was one of them.

Sxb the reality is every clan has committed its fair share of atrocity. It's strange however it's only the isaaq who are not willing to forgive and move forward.

[Ben Dover]

Walahay ninkan waan la yaaba! Are you serious sxb?

Or are just forgetting about the atrocities committed in Borama & Dila in the early 90s? Are you not currently about to elect the warlord responsible for this, Muse Bixi, as your president?

And are you forgetting the massacre you committed in Buuhoodle district? I can give you the names of the 100s of men who perished, my own uncle was one of them.

Sxb the reality is every clan has committed its fair share of atrocity. It's strange however it's only the isaaq who are not willing to forgive and move forward.

You did not answer a single question above. Not a single one.

If we are talking about SNM, go on, if you are so confident, answer the questions:

- Did Isaaq commit any atrocities in Borama and Dilla?

- If yes, who committed them, name names?

- When did they do so? Dates, places, duration.

- How many people did they kill?

- What are the names of the people they killed?

-What evidence do you have? (documentation you can use in a court of law).

You have nothing but accusations, not one of you can actually present any reasonable evidence SNM committed any atrocities as a unit, from a policy standpoint, there may have been individual cases here and there, but the SNM, as the strongest faction in the Somali civil war proved to be the most noble in their liberation war.





I can go on.

As for Buuhoodle, it was reciprocal, you started the killings unprovoked.

You can not claim "every clan has committed its fair share of atrocity", that is not factual at all. Darod did commit heinous atrocities on southern populations, Hawiye did commit atrocities as well. Isaaq did not. And not a single one of you can substantiate that claim.

Wallahi bilaahi there is no more gob clan than Isaaq. All of you admit as much deep down. By all accounts SNM was the single strongest faction of the civil war, you see what USC did in the south. Just imagine what the SNM would have been capable of.

[Sharmarke91]

Walahay ninkan waan la yaaba! Are you serious sxb?

Or are just forgetting about the atrocities committed in Borama & Dila in the early 90s? Are you not currently about to elect the warlord responsible for this, Muse Bixi, as your president?

And are you forgetting the massacre you committed in Buuhoodle district? I can give you the names of the 100s of men who perished, my own uncle was one of them.

Sxb the reality is every clan has committed its fair share of atrocity. It's strange however it's only the isaaq who are not willing to forgive and move forward.

You did not answer a single question above. Not a single one.

If we are talking about SNM, go on, if you are so confident, answer the questions:

- Did Isaaq commit any atrocities in Borama and Dilla?

- If yes, who committed them, name names?

- When did they do so? Dates, places, duration.

- How many people did they kill?

- What are the names of the people they killed?

-What evidence do you have? (documentation you can use in a court of law).

You have nothing but accusations, not one of you can actually present any reasonable evidence SNM committed any atrocities as a unit, from a policy standpoint, there may have been individual cases here and there, but the SNM, as the strongest faction in the Somali civil war proved to be the most noble in their liberation war.





I can go on.

As for Buuhoodle, it was reciprocal, you started the killings unprovoked.

You can not claim "every clan has committed its fair share of atrocity", that is not factual at all. Darod did commit heinous atrocities on southern populations, Hawiye did commit atrocities as well. Isaaq did not. And not a single one of you can substantiate that claim.

Wallahi bilaahi there is no more gob clan than Isaaq. All of you admit as much deep down. By all accounts SNM was the single strongest faction of the civil war, you see what USC did in the south. Just imagine what the SNM would have been capable of.

Ogaan bad isu Indha tirasa!

We admit we committed inexcusable atrocities among the Isaaq and other clans whereas you won't even admit what you've done to the Samaroon. Forget about what evidence to present in a court of law, do you yourself, Seriously, deny the massacre committed in Awdal?

As for Buuhoodle, those people were protecting there land! did you expect them to sit and watch while their land was taken? and if the conflict was initially tribal why did the SNM forces intervene siding with the Isaaq clans?

Ninyaho iska aamu, if you wanna troll badheedh, laakin stop acting like your making viable contributions.

[Ben Dover]

Ogaan bad isu Indha tirasa!

We admit we committed inexcusable atrocities among the Isaaq and other clans whereas you won't even admit what you've done to the Samaroon. Forget about what evidence to present in a court of law, do you yourself, Seriously, deny the massacre committed in Awdal?

As for Buuhoodle, those people were protecting there land! did you expect them to sit and watch while their land was taken? and if the conflict was initially tribal why did the SNM forces intervene siding with the Isaaq clans?

Ninyaho iska aamu, if you wanna troll badheedh, laakin stop acting like your making viable contributions.

As expected, you have no response. You can not answer a single of these question so you resort to pulling on the emotional strings.

Genocide, massacres, are serious business. You can not claim it if you can not back it up with evidence. I have evidence that SNM were the strongest faction of the civil war, I also have evidence that they have explicitly told Isaaqs to not retaliate.

You have nothing.

Forget about what evidence to present in a court of law, do you yourself, Seriously, deny the massacre committed in Awdal?

So you admit you have no evidence.

As for my personal belief, I swear to God I do not believe, or have heard or seen any evidence, that SNM committed crimes in Borama or Dilla.

Some use made up images like:


And use it to further this lie. This image was taken in Lebanon!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and ... a_massacre

When we discuss the Isaaq genocide the evidence is overwhelming. It is undeniable. You as a Darod, and Hawiye, committed unspeakable atrocities, so you want to dilute your collective guilt by repeating "we all committed atrocities".

No mate. If you want to make that claim, present evidence or shut the fuck up.

As for Buuhoodle, the national army was attacked by your people, what do you expect them to do? You started the whole episode, on both counts. You can not complain if people fire back at you.