General Survey Somaliland Protectorate 1944-50 by Hunt.

[BestPlaya]

Habar Yoonista Kale Ma jiraan Qabiilo LA fil ah oo Tiro
ahaan la'eg XIRSI CISMAN ?

Ma ogtahay Qabiil 20jilib ukala kaca(ukala baxa) inuu Laandheere Ku noqon karin sidaas kaliya.Tusaale ahan ,Hal WII aabihii haduu raaco oo 18jilib u kala baxo. 19ka wiil e kale 1-7wiil inta u dhaxayso midkiiba Dhalo.TAASI WAXAY KEENI IN MIDKII TIRADA BADAN DHALAY GOONI U ISTAAGO Kuwa kalana Magaca aabahood isku bahaystaan sida SUGULLE CEYNAASHE and Baho Ceynaashe.Here I'm not Ceynaashe are langaab .nimankaas waa laandheere banaan dagay!

Lakiin kama badno Ree Warfaa,Ree Faarax Shirwac,Ree Faarax Ugaas,Nuux lsmaciil iyo Maalinguur ,Biciide iyo Axmad Faarax..iyo kuwa kaloo badan.

[Rooble90]

And Mr genius what the f is that has to do with anything?

The book doesn't say anything about 13 or 17 generation elapsed since the 1800s nor does the book compares any clans.

It does clearly look in the first paragraph
http://i.imgur.com/G9QEk2r.jpg
Now compare nalaye ahmed
http://i.imgur.com/hljJbFr.jpg
Here to the isaaq sub clans
http://i.imgur.com/MbTte6R.jpg

How can i read the whole thing?

[X.Playa]

And Mr genius what the f is that has to do with anything?

The book doesn't say anything about 13 or 17 generation elapsed since the 1800s nor does the book compares any clans.

It does clearly look in the first paragraph
http://i.imgur.com/G9QEk2r.jpg
Now compare nalaye ahmed
http://i.imgur.com/hljJbFr.jpg
Here to the isaaq sub clans
http://i.imgur.com/MbTte6R.jpg

Still the book doesn't compare any two clans, nor generations elapsed from isaaq and daarood to a particular segmentation is relevant to anything.

I give you a simple example Mr clever.

You and I are a contemporary today, 200 years later your descendants and my descendants can be compared population wise regardless to how many generation you and I trace to our respectively sheikh isxaaq or Daarood.

We can only compare sub clans that are about the same age. If we use your crazy formula comparing 17th decent from isaaq to 17 decent from Daarood then one has yo assume Daarood and Isaaq were contemporaneous which is not the case.

Those generation numbers matter when you compare within isaaq or within daarood.

Nice try butl iam afraid Naaleeye Axmed vs Caynaashe is finished by all logic reer Caynaashe are more then 4 times the size of Naaleeye Axmed or reer Mahad .

[X.Playa]

Habar Yoonista Kale Ma jiraan Qabiilo LA fil ah oo Tiro
ahaan la'eg XIRSI CISMAN ?

Ma ogtahay Qabiil 20jilib ukala kaca(ukala baxa) inuu Laandheere Ku noqon karin sidaas kaliya.Tusaale ahan ,Hal WII aabihii haduu raaco oo 18jilib u kala baxo. 19ka wiil e kale 1-7wiil inta u dhaxayso midkiiba Dhalo.TAASI WAXAY KEENI IN MIDKII TIRADA BADAN DHALAY GOONI U ISTAAGO Kuwa kalana Magaca aabahood isku bahaystaan sida SUGULLE CEYNAASHE and Baho Ceynaashe.Here I'm not Ceynaashe are langaab .nimankaas waa laandheere banaan dagay!

Lakiin kama badno Ree Warfaa,Ree Faarax Shirwac,Ree Faarax Ugaas,Nuux lsmaciil iyo Maalinguur ,Biciide iyo Axmad Faarax..iyo kuwa kaloo badan.

Still waa laandheere baha Caynaashe. Yes maybe Sugulle Caynaashe can stand alone and all the rest of the 17 baha Caynaashe can't and have to unite but that doesn't mean Sugulle Caynaashe is more then all of the rest combined. Guutaale Caynaashe is no lesser then Sugulle by much.

Also they are laandheere because no other clan of h.y can stand alone at that level of segmentation. ( 14 and 15 generational decent from sheikh Isxaaq)

There are alot of larger h.y sub clans then reer Caynaashe or xirsi cismaan but they are 8 or 9 generational decent from sheikh isxaaq .

Nuux Axmed can be compared to Xirsi Cismaan they are about the same generation. Axmed Faarax and Iidle Faarax are are ( 12th from sheikh isxaaq) Sugulle. 14 aand Diiriye 15. A good example to compare is Muuse Yuusuf and Diiriye Sugulle they are both 15 generation from sheikh isxaaq and they lived about the same time , in fact both of them competed for the sultanship of their clan . Diiriye succeeded and Muuse Yuusuf plan was aborted or sabotaged by a child ( h.j muse was kaa)

[BestPlaya]

Habar Yoonista Kale Ma jiraan Qabiilo LA fil ah oo Tiro
ahaan la'eg XIRSI CISMAN ?

Ma ogtahay Qabiil 20jilib ukala kaca(ukala baxa) inuu Laandheere Ku noqon karin sidaas kaliya.Tusaale ahan ,Hal WII aabihii haduu raaco oo 18jilib u kala baxo. 19ka wiil e kale 1-7wiil inta u dhaxayso midkiiba Dhalo.TAASI WAXAY KEENI IN MIDKII TIRADA BADAN DHALAY GOONI U ISTAAGO Kuwa kalana Magaca aabahood isku bahaystaan sida SUGULLE CEYNAASHE and Baho Ceynaashe.Here I'm not Ceynaashe are langaab .nimankaas waa laandheere banaan dagay!

Lakiin kama badno Ree Warfaa,Ree Faarax Shirwac,Ree Faarax Ugaas,Nuux lsmaciil iyo Maalinguur ,Biciide iyo Axmad Faarax..iyo kuwa kaloo badan.

Still waa laandheere baha Caynaashe. Yes maybe Sugulle Caynaashe can stand alone and all the rest of the 17 baha Caynaashe can't and have to unite but that doesn't mean Sugulle Caynaashe is more then all of the rest combined. Guutaale Caynaashe is no lesser then Sugulle by much.

Also they are laandheere because no other clan of h.y can stand alone at that level of segmentation. ( 14 and 15 generational decent from sheikh Isxaaq)

There are alot of larger h.y sub clans then reer Caynaashe or xirsi cismaan but they are 8 or 9 generational decent from sheikh isxaaq .

Nuux Axmed can be compared to Xirsi Cismaan they are about the same generation. Axmed Faarax and Iidle Faarax are are ( 12th from sheikh isxaaq) Sugulle. 14 aand Diiriye 15. A good example to compare is Muuse Yuusuf and Diiriye Sugulle they are both 15 generation from sheikh isxaaq and they lived about the same time , in fact both of them competed for the sultanship of their clan . Diiriye succeeded and Muuse Yuusuf plan was aborted or sabotaged by a child ( h.j muse was kaa)

According to nomadic political grouping

Ceynaaashe(17)
*Sugulle Ceynaashe(9sections)
*Suldaan Diiriye (19or 18 sections)
*Baho Ceynaashe(16sections)

Ree Warfaa(12 sections)
Ugaas Magan(12sections)
+Bah Xawaadle (Ree Dalal(12sections)+ Ree Ugaas).
+BahaMagan. (10 or 9sections)
Ugaas Cilmi (12sections)
+Boon(8) and Heirsi(12)
+Ree Faarax+Bihina Nuur +others
BahLagmadobe+others (10sectons)

Shirwac Cigale(8sections)
Faarax Shirwac(12 or 11 sections).
Ree Heirsi (9sections)
Ree Khalaf. (10_sections)
Ree Mahad. (13 or 14sections)
Aadan Mahad (10sections)

Nuux lsmaaciil (2 sections).
Yoonis Nuux
Ree Gadiid (14 sections)
Ree Shirdoon
Ree Xoosh
Axmad Nuux
Ba ciisa muuse
Guleed Jaamac (14 sections)
Baho Axmad
Bihindhayare
Bacayla

Other LAANDHEERE sub sub sub clans
Ree Faarax Ugaas(MR)
,Ugaar Abokor (MJ),
Maalinguur(OG),
Naaleye Axmad (DHULOS)
,Hagar Aadan,
Ree Amaadin,
Ree Suldaan Cali(Mj) ,
Axmad Faarax(Hj maxamad),
Biciide(HJ Muuse),
Ree Warsame (Afgaab ,Cawlyahan)
Geedi Yuusuf (Cali Cawlyahan),
Cabdi Ciise(eidagala),
Abokor Aadan (Cabdalle Ogadeen) ,
Ree Dalaal(JB,HA),
Ree Guleed Allamagan(ree isahaaq) ,
Ree Dolaal(Ree Haaruun,OG)
Ree Xareed(JB,HA)
Cabdalle Siciid (lsmaaciil Jibril,HA)
Ree Daahir. (HJ maxamad).
Ree Baaleh. (HJ Muuse)
Beyle Cali. (Cawlyahan ,Ogaaden)
Beyle Ugaaryahan (Muuse lsmacil HY).
Jibriil AdanFiqi. (Muuse care]
P.s.Ayaanle,Ree Mataan,Ree Nimcaale,Daaud,Suldaan Faarax,Celi Cumar Gaalmax, and many others HAWIYE HEAVYWEIGHT sub sub clans .


Dhammaan kuwa kor Ku xusay iyo kuwo kaloo badan waa Laandheere. SIDEEY UKALA BADAN YIHIIN DEE ILAAHAY UUN BAA OG!HAL QOF DASHII LAANDHEERE LAGUMA NOQDO DHOWR 'GENERATION' BAA LA QIIMEEYAA.COOLADNA WEYY GAABISAA LAANDHEERE..

[soonoqoda]

what about ciidagale?

[X.Playa]

Iska hubi baan ku odhan lahaa. If you say reer hebel are this and that much branches its imperative to name them. We shouldn't be throwing numbers around based on a claim.

Shirwac cigale are only two branches ( shirmaarke and Faarax) .

Reer Xirsi are 7 , reer Mahad are 10, reer Aadan Mahad are 8. The reer Khalaf are the smallest they are less then the reer Xirsi.

Regarding the ogaden love for number 12, I doubt that very much.

Ugaas warfaa xirsi 12 sons
Both his sons cilmi warfaa and magan warfaa had 12 each. Then Ugaas Magan son Dalal had 12 and some Ugaas kooshin had 12 sons then a son of cilmi warfaa had 12 .


Loool that doesn't make any sense and the probability of that happening to 1 single family ( Ugaas xirsi descendants) in 1 century is ridiculous . Why not 14 or 13 or 16? Why each generation is all 12?

Ugaas warfaa can be easily dated his grandson Ugaas Nuur cabbudhiye lived in the 1870s killed by the mareexaan that recently.

I don't buy that recent ogaden fetish with number 12.

[BestPlaya]

Faarax Shirwac subdivision according to Abtirsi.com

Baho Cali yoonis
Ree khalaf
Ree Cabdalle
Ree Guleed
Ree Dalal

Bihina Maxamad.
Ree Maxamad
Ree Xirsi

Bihina Wacays
Ree Maxamud
Ree Cali

Bihina Dolaal
Ree Darood
Ree Liibaan

Bah Dir
Ree Mahad
Ree Cigaal

Bihina Cali
Ree Ciroobe
Ree Warsame

Shirwac Cigale.
Maxamad Shirwac (Bah Abaskuul)
Warfaa Shirwac. (Bah Ogadeen).
Maxamad Shirwac (Bah Ogadeen)
Mahad Shirwac. (Bah Mareexaan)
Xirsi Shirwac. (Bah Mareexaan).
Guleed'Fagaase'. ??.
Sharmarke. Shirwac ??.
Faarax Shirwac. (Bah Leelkase)

Ree Cigale Jibriil.
Ree liibaan Cigale
Ree Aadan Cigale
Ree Maxamad_Cigale (Bah Dhulbahante)
Ree Shirwac Cigale


Hadaba midee baa saxan SIDA u sheegayso iyo sida tan?

[X.Playa]

Faarax Shirwac subdivision according to Abtirsi.com

Baho Cali yoonis
Ree khalaf
Ree Cabdalle
Ree Guleed
Ree Dalal

Bihina Maxamad.
Ree Maxamad
Ree Xirsi

Bihina Wacays
Ree Maxamud
Ree Cali

Bihina Dolaal
Ree Darood
Ree Liibaan

Bah Dir
Ree Mahad
Ree Cigaal

Bihina Cali
Ree Ciroobe
Ree Warsame

Shirwac Cigale.
Maxamad Shirwac (Bah Abaskuul)
Warfaa Shirwac. (Bah Ogadeen).
Maxamad Shirwac (Bah Ogadeen)
Mahad Shirwac. (Bah Mareexaan)
Xirsi Shirwac. (Bah Mareexaan).
Guleed'Fagaase'. ??.
Sharmarke. Shirwac ??.
Faarax Shirwac. (Bah Leelkase)

Ree Cigale Jibriil.
Ree liibaan Cigale
Ree Aadan Cigale
Ree Maxamad_Cigale (Bah Dhulbahante)
Ree Shirwac Cigale


Hadaba midee baa saxan SIDA u sheegayso iyo sida tan?

There is no maxamud or Liibaan in the book.

Maxamed and xirsi bih ina maxamed.
Guuleed is alone ba mareexaan
Khalaf, abdulla and Dalal bih ina maxamud.
Warsame and ciroobe. Bih ina cali
Ali and daarood bih ina dolaal or Dalal
Cige ( not cigaal) and Mahad are ba dir.

Shirwac cigale only 2 in the book shirmaarke and Faarax.

Also its cigale jibraahiil in the book and not jibril.

[Sharmarke91]

All that's been proved here is how langab the Isaac are!

Darod existed about 100 to 150 years prior to Isaac - that is about 5 to 6 generations. However, it is no excuse for the Isaac to say darod existed before therefore, he would have more decedents based on that. Take Dir for example who existed way before darod yet, the darod population is 10 times the size of dir today.

Another, point to take into consideration is somalis often don't count or forget ancestors who only father one son - for example in Dhulbahante, Cadulle farax shirshore fathered the farax garad tribe yet, most people don't include him when their reflecting on their lineage.

So, chances are the Isaac have had more ancestors of this kind which explains there short lineages.

[X.Playa]

All that's been proved here is how langab the Isaac are!

Darod existed about 100 to 150 years prior to Isaac - that is about 5 to 6 generations. However, it is no excuse for the Isaac to say darod existed before therefore, he would have more decedents based on that. Take Dir for example who existed way before darod yet, the darod population is 10 times the size of dir today.

Another, point to take into consideration is somalis often don't count or forget ancestors who only father one son - for example in Dhulbahante, Cadulle farax shirshore fathered the farax garad tribe yet, most people don't include him when their reflecting on their lineage.

So, chances are the Isaac have had more ancestors of this kind which explains there short lineages.

Pathetic whoever was talking about the argument you raised? Don't create your own parallel universe the facts are simple your qurji clan is a minor clan compared to all majore isaaq sub clans and that includes all your harti brothers.

[Sharmarke91]

All that's been proved here is how langab the Isaac are!

Darod existed about 100 to 150 years prior to Isaac - that is about 5 to 6 generations. However, it is no excuse for the Isaac to say darod existed before therefore, he would have more decedents based on that. Take Dir for example who existed way before darod yet, the darod population is 10 times the size of dir today.

Another, point to take into consideration is somalis often don't count or forget ancestors who only father one son - for example in Dhulbahante, Cadulle farax shirshore fathered the farax garad tribe yet, most people don't include him when their reflecting on their lineage.

So, chances are the Isaac have had more ancestors of this kind which explains there short lineages.

Pathetic whoever was talking about the argument you raised? Don't create your own parallel universe the facts are simple your qurji clan is a minor clan compared to all majore isaaq sub clans and that includes all your harti brothers.

LOL wali cas!

Harti are the same size as Isaac and your talking!

Your whole argument is pointless. So what if Sugulle caynaashe had more sons that Cali Nalaye? the fact remains the later is more numerous and politically more significant - the countless prominent politicians of the later can easily demonstrate this.

My argument is a valid one - most academics who specialise in this field would agree. The Isaac all thought begin the lineage from a mere 100 to years later than the darod have a significantly less population, the justification for this is produced less unfortunately, thus they are Langaab!

The Isaac are actually one of the smallest Somali clans.

[X.Playa]

Argument? What argument you have? Daarood just fetch shit out of their anus and call it an argument.

Your entire Harti population are less then the population of Burco. All Bosaso, Garowe , Las Canoed , Buhoodle , Las qori and all the rest of one goat one hut villages combined are less then the population of Burco. And those are facts.

[Sharmarke91]

Argument? What argument you have? Daarood just fetch shit out of their anus and call it an argument.

Your entire Harti population are less then the population of Burco. All Bosaso, Garowe , Las Canoed , Buhoodle , Las qori and all the rest of one goat one hut villages combined are less then the population of Burco. And those are facts.

What dumb fuck! lol

So, your stupidity has lead you to believe that because your people barely have any land and therefore congregate in two cities they have more population than Harti who inhabit vast lands? imbecile the largest Isaac sub clan have the tiny village of Odweyne as the capital looool, walahay my sub clan of Qayaad have a larger village.

The harti population is dispersed over 30 significant towns and cities, Bosaso, Galkacyo, Las and, Garowe, Erigavo, Buuhoodle, Qardho, Burtintle, Las qoray, Badhan, Qandala, Eyl, etc. I can give you a full list.

Yet the only Isaac towns worth mentioning are Hargeis, Burco, Berbera, Gabiley, Erigavo, wajaale and sheikh.

[Museyusuf]

HJ landheere are Reer yusuf, subclan of Reer Dahir
Reer yusuf is 14th generation Isaaq clan.
Reer Yusuf is split into 14 sections Muse being the oldest and largest. Muse then splits into 15 sections