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The propaganda war against SL colonial borders , the Daarood desperation for anti-Somaliland legal/historical arguments.

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The propaganda war against SL colonial borders , the Daarood desperation for anti-Somaliland legal/historical arguments.

Postby X.Playa » Fri Feb 02, 2018 6:44 pm

At least this month alone the Daarood presented various arguments against Somaliland's colonial borders in English to misinform the world and legitimized whats a legitimate case .

1- Long gone Colonial borders threaten Somali Unity and Recovery
January 30, 2018 .By Ali H. Abdulla

http://www.wardheernews.com/long-gone-c ... -recovery/

This lunatic makes an insane argumennt that a Somali state existed in the 16 century during the Islamic Vs Christian civil war in the horn. With borders extending from the two gulfs of Kambuni to Xafun ??? little does this buffoon knows that this cliche has nothing to do with SL , Somaliland has nothing to do with either of this much taunted Italian Somalia mantra.

"In the first half of the 16th century, Somali clans were in an existential war with the Abyssinians to the west in defense of their territories under the leadership of the Somali leader Ahmed Gurey who managed to unite all the Somali clans under a single banner. The written records from that era, like “The Conquest of Abyssinia (Futuh Al-Habasa)”, clearly illustrate that Somalia, from Ras Hafun in the North to Ras Kamponi in the South formed a cohesive and united State
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Of course such argument is childish and only a Daarood extremest would argue Somalis were a nation with border in the 16 century . Never mind somalis even his own Daarood wasn't a clan during these years , they were a collection of disparate clans bond by no Daaroodism myth as today.

He continues and makes this meaningless observation:

"More recently, the Darwiish movement that waged a liberation war against all the colonial powers in Somalia from 1895 until 1920 managed to establish a presence in all Somali territories from Medeshi in the North to Beledweyne in the South. The Taleh and Daawad forts along with many other forts bear testimony to that widespread reach."


How is that of any significant?? i don't really know.

"In the case of Northern and Southern Somalia, the British removed the demarcation line between the two areas when it managed to defeat the Italian fascists in Southern Somalia during the second World War. However, the Italians somehow sneaked back into Southern Somalia through a UN mandated trusteeship program to supposedly prepare the South for independence. This weakens the claims of the separatists in Northern Somalia who argue that there were two distinct and separate Somali enclaves to which the African agreement of preserving colonial borders apply. If colonial borders have legitimacy, then the separatists should accept the fact that the British did rule the North and the South as one county before the UN tasked the Italians with preparing the South for independence. The only reason Italy was chosen for this task was the prevalence of the past Italian influence in the South before independence: Italians owned large banana plantations and somehow convinced the UN of being the best nation to prepare Southern Somalia for independence."


Notice how throughout his argument he deliberately avoids calling somaliland by its official and historical name , and instead refer to it as Northern Somalia , a baseless phrase that has no historical , political or legal meaning. This level of dishonesty is a Daarood trade-mark and easily make their "allegedly logical" argument more of deliberate misinformation.

Her he alleges that the British ruled somaliland and italian somalia jointly!! which was never the case , he always conveniently omits the British ruled all somali territory after the war yet he doesn't claim NFD or Ogaden as part of his Italian Somalia , only Somaliland .


2-Disputed Territories in the ex-British Somaliland . By Liban Ahmed , Januray 27/ 2018.

https://www.hiiraan.com/op4/2018/jan/14 ... iland.aspx

This Daarood charlatan using the British Queens declarations of Somaliland as an independent country on June 26 1960, ( bellow)

Source: The London Gazette
No. 42074
FRIDAY 24TH JUNE 1960
BY THE QUEEN

A PROCLAMATION
TERMINATING HER MAJESTEY’S PROTECTION OVER THE SOMALILAND PROTECTORATE
ELIZABETH R.

Whereas the territories in Africa known as the Somaliland Protectorate are under Our protection:
And whereas by treaty, grant, usage, sufferance and other lawful means We have power and jurisdiction in the Somaliland Protectorate:
And whereas it is intended that the Somaliland Protectorate shall become an independent country on the twenty-sixth day of June 1960 (hereinafter referred to as "the appointed day"):

Now, therefore, We do hereby, by and with the advice of Our Privy Council, proclaim and declare that, as from the beginning of the appointed day, Our protection over the territories known as the Somaliland Protectorate shall cease, and all treaties and agreements in force immediately before the appointed day between Us or Our Government of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and any of the Tribes of the said territories, all Our obligations existing immediately before that day towards the said territories and all functions, powers, rights, authority or jurisdiction exercisable by Us immediately before that day in or in relation to the said territories by treaty, grant, usage, sufferance or otherwise, shall lapse.

Given at Our Court at Buckingham Palace this twenty third day of June in the year of our Lord one thousand nine hundred and sixty, and in the ninth year of Our Reign.


https://www.hiiraan.com/images/2018/Jan ... azette.jpg

Conveniently disregarding the first paragraph, he claimed the second paragraph makes a " distinction the British government made between subjects from clans in the Protectorate and the clans from non-Protectorate territories"


" A large part of the disputed territory is home to people whom the British colonial administrators did not include in the "Proclamation of Terminating Her Majesty's Protection Over the Somaliland Protectorate." London Gazette published on 24 June 1960 implicitly states the distinction the British government made between subjects from clans in the Protectorate and the clans from non-Protectorate territories:

"Now, therefore, We do hereby, by and with the advice of our Privy Council, proclaim and declare that, as from the beginning of the appointed day between Us or Our Government of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and any of the Tribes of the said territories, all Our obligations existing immediately before that day towards the said territories and all functions, powers, rights, authority or jurisdiction exercisable by Us immediately before that day in or in relation to the said territories by treaty, grant, usage, sufferance or otherwise, shall lapse.”


All the proclamation stated was that Somaliland from the appointed date hence forth shall be a independent country and all former British agreements are now all void. Howe does the ending of the tribal treaties are making disintegration for the Daaroods??? And how and when did only the Daaroods became "clans outside the protectorate"


This relentless propaganda campaign generally adheres to the two examples above , two more popular arguments these Daarood agents of misinformation use , one is the Daarood alleged "dervish government " and 2nd the fact that Dhulbahnate a landlocked sub clan was not part of the coastal protection treaties . Therefore in their own clan narrative they are not part of somaliland historically this legally colonial borders clause or legality doesn't apply to them.

First of all there was no such a thing as "dervish state" that was Daarood or that was none-Daarood , the Dervish a local terrorist sect had no fixed territory that they claimed , and had no single tribal composition , in fact few of the Dervish founders be it religious leaders , or mullahs were of the said Dhulbahnate tribe. As far as a territory , the dervish had one single recognized terrirtory between 1905-1909 and that was in modern Majeerteenia in parts of Bari and Nugaal and they were not independent , they were an Italian protectorate and that region has nothing to do with somaliland borders .

As far as the tribal protection treaties between 1884-1887 the Daarood can't claim that as a legal base proving their exlcusion from British Somaliland Protectorate leagll borders , for the simple reason that these treaties were confined only to the coast and has nothing todo with BSP, the adiministerations that resulted from these treaties had only coastal borders extending from Bulxaar to Laas Qori and had nothing to do with the interiror and its was called " The Somali Coast Protectorate" Not British Somaliland protectorate,. The former entity lasted from 1884-1897.

Beginning from 1888 , the British signed their first agreement forming the future British Somaliland protectorate .

1- The Anglo-French agreement , 1888. creating the border with French Somaliland. ( Making both Boorama and the west part of Somaliland , all Gedabursi and some of Ciise land part of somaliland).

2- The Anglo-Italian Protocol of 1894. ( Making Laas Caanood , Taleex and Laas Qori parts of somaliland. or all Daarood land in somaliland .)

3- The Anglo-Ethiopian treaty of 1897. ( making modern Hargaysa part of somaliland only then , Burco, Buihoodle)

The agreement that created somaliland borders were from 1888-1897, it has nothing to do with tribal treaties of the coast , not some daraawiish daarood fictitious bravado.

The noose is tied hard on Daarood butt , there is no legal way out of this nor selective historical narrative.

The irony is Isaaq territories with the exception of the coast only made it as part of British somaliland protectorate only in 1897 , while none Isaaq were bounded by border treaties long before Isaaq territories. What a divine justice for later hypocrites and revisionist.

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Re: The propaganda war against SL colonial borders , the Daarood desperation for anti-Somaliland legal/historical argume

Postby original dervish » Sat Feb 03, 2018 4:19 am

We have already won the propaganda war........so make hundreds of pointless shitty threads, :D :som: :up:

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Re: The propaganda war against SL colonial borders , the Daarood desperation for anti-Somaliland legal/historical argume

Postby Ben Dover » Sat Feb 03, 2018 5:58 am

What can you expect from doofaars? They are desperate.

The legal case for Somaliland is watertight, there is no doubt about that, which is why Somalia is trying to avoid any legal hearing of it, they will lose 100%. We actually have the opinion of South Africa's official legal council:

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Re: The propaganda war against SL colonial borders , the Daarood desperation for anti-Somaliland legal/historical argume

Postby theyuusuf143 » Sat Feb 03, 2018 7:56 am

We have already won the propaganda war........so make hundreds of pointless shitty threads, :D :som: :up:
You said " We" but no body knows who you are referring to. In my book you are a Somaliland subject, i consider you a Somaliland citizen, i have The Anglo-Italian Protocol of 1894 to claim your head , and i have the de facto control of your tribe territory. Nothing is negotiable.

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Postby AbdiCushite » Sat Feb 03, 2018 9:01 am

We have already won the propaganda war........so make hundreds of pointless shitty threads, :D :som: :up:
You guys wage propaganda wars as good as you do actual wars....which is not good at all. Original Oppressed Slave 😂

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Postby abodu » Sat Feb 03, 2018 9:17 am

Funny how the attitude towards OD is the same attitude they take with their garxajis "cousins". Actually when there is no daarood to insult, the gun is programmed to automatically turn towards garxajis.

The insult about 'boon mareexan' and their one school tuulo, sound awfully familiar to the insult of sacad yonis and equating Bohol with Gedo. As an insult. Midgaha maryo-alool wax ka xaaran ihi ma jiro.

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Postby Ben Dover » Sat Feb 03, 2018 9:43 am

Seeing that you are more than happy to comment on qabiil matters, what is your clan?

Why are you so hesitant to share that with this lovely community? :)

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Postby TeeriReturns » Sat Feb 03, 2018 9:50 am

We have already won the propaganda war........so make hundreds of pointless shitty threads, :D :som: :up:
You said " We" but no body knows who you are referring to. In my book you are a Somaliland subject, i consider you a Somaliland citizen, i have The Anglo-Italian Protocol of 1894 to claim your head , and i have the de facto control of your tribe territory. Nothing is negotiable.
how does an agreement between Britannia and Italy give you rights over dhulbahante, warsengali and gadabursi tribes that agreed to reside with you in somaliland regional state of Somalia?

pride cometh before a fall, we all know if you dont bribe dhulbahante and warsangali and gadabursi elders somaliland will become the next xamar over night, which is why you pay them tributes on a daily basis to keep them happy, count your blessings, boasting about bullying langaab subtribes does not make idoors a state

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Postby Ben Dover » Sat Feb 03, 2018 9:54 am

We have already won the propaganda war........so make hundreds of pointless shitty threads, :D :som: :up:
You said " We" but no body knows who you are referring to. In my book you are a Somaliland subject, i consider you a Somaliland citizen, i have The Anglo-Italian Protocol of 1894 to claim your head , and i have the de facto control of your tribe territory. Nothing is negotiable.
how does an agreement between Britannia and Italy give you rights over dhulbahante, warsengali and gadabursi tribes that agreed to reside with you in somaliland regional state of Somalia?

pride cometh before a fall, we all know if you dont bribe dhulbahante and warsangali and gadabursi elders somaliland will become the next xamar over night, which is why you pay them tributes on a daily basis to keep them happy, count your blessings, boasting about bullying langaab subtribes does not make idoors a state
Sit your ass down doqonka cagdheer.

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Re: The propaganda war against SL colonial borders , the Daarood desperation for anti-Somaliland legal/historical argume

Postby AbdiCushite » Sat Feb 03, 2018 2:33 pm

Doqonki Ogaden thinks Wasakhgeli are even relevant in SL lmao wasakhgeli have nothing to offer , at least Dhulbahante have Las Anod and some villages on the eastern border of Sool . There is no significant Wasakhgeli tuulo we chased them out of Sanaag in 91 and now few refugees of theirs came back to the outskirts . Wasakhgeli has no leverage and I have no issues with kicking them out of Sanaag again. We also don't have to bribe Gadabursi, they understand they get the best deal possible under SL admin. Under unification with Zoomalia Gadabursi know any hope of political power is lost. Doqonki Ogaden stick to your modern day slavery regions in Ethiopia , and try not to get cleansed from Kismayo by Bantu's.

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Re: The propaganda war against SL colonial borders , the Daarood desperation for anti-Somaliland legal/historical argume

Postby theyuusuf143 » Sat Feb 03, 2018 3:24 pm

We have already won the propaganda war........so make hundreds of pointless shitty threads, :D :som: :up:
You said " We" but no body knows who you are referring to. In my book you are a Somaliland subject, i consider you a Somaliland citizen, i have The Anglo-Italian Protocol of 1894 to claim your head , and i have the de facto control of your tribe territory. Nothing is negotiable.
how does an agreement between Britannia and Italy give you rights over dhulbahante, warsengali and gadabursi tribes that agreed to reside with you in somaliland regional state of Somalia?

pride cometh before a fall, we all know if you dont bribe dhulbahante and warsangali and gadabursi elders somaliland will become the next xamar over night, which is why you pay them tributes on a daily basis to keep them happy, count your blessings, boasting about bullying langaab subtribes does not make idoors a state
Somaliland tribes can agree what ever between themselves but we are all the subjects of the republic of Somaliland, a country with a defined territory and the capacity to exercise rule of law over its subjects . No body is above the law not even the iidors you are talking about. If i am representing the nation i would karbaash any one against the law including my own.

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Postby STARKAST » Sun Feb 04, 2018 9:16 pm

Reer Waaqoyi still foolish the same old rhetoric since i left this forum....
The only way to get true power in the sense you want is to subjugate the south completely.

either that or keep living with your separate project with your bribed fifth columns, bribed enemy clans and international community apathetic do your dreams....

How can you have a region or "country" with people who despise you, someone tell me that Lol

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Postby SuldaanOfSanaag » Sun Feb 04, 2018 11:59 pm

^^ we doing jist fine sxb. :sland: :up:

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Postby original dervish » Mon Feb 05, 2018 1:16 am

I don't think most folk despise iidoor.....quite the opposite really....most folk respect s/l and p/l achievements.
The snet iidoor are something else completely......most of them need to be put against the nearest wall. :)

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Postby STARKAST » Mon Feb 05, 2018 6:16 am

Despised in the way they don't subscribe to snm ideology which created region of SL.

Basically it's a oxymoron for a darood to subscribe to such project.

The snet waaqoyi kids are just bored and probbally have no social life hence the mind boggling comments.


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