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Factual Report Regarding Dhulbahante and Isaaq

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Factual Report Regarding Dhulbahante and Isaaq

Postby Osman-NZ » Wed Jul 08, 2009 3:28 am

I am sure you guys heard the myth "hartis marry isaaq and share same culture" line and therefore hartis should support somafiland. How much of this is really factual? You know Hitler once said "If you tell a lie long enough, it will be taken as truth"...This idea of hartis and isaaq sharing culture, marriage, and political idealogy is totally nonsense and at best just more propaganda.

Fact 1. Regarding Inter-marriage. Do u know there was study taken by an english anthropologist in 1962 by I. M. Lewis. And according to his statistic that line of intermarriage is debunked. I will quote him...

55 (62 per cent) were with women of Dulbahante primary lineages other than those of their husbands; 30 (33.7 per cent.) with surrounding clans of other clan families (with the Habar Yuunis, 10; Habar Tol Jaelo, 18; and Hawiye, 3); and 3 (4.3 per cent.) with other clans of the Daarood clan-family (Majeerteen, 2; Ogaadeen, 1).


As you can see 62% of dhulbahante marriages are with other dhulbahante. So how can we say that isaaq and dhulbahante intermarriage at high-rate when the statistic says the other-wise. Now when it comes to other tribe families...62% dhulbahante,30% is isaaq, 4% hawiye and 4% darod.

Source: http://cilmiile.blogspot.com/2007/08/many-times-we-have-heard-that-northern.html

U should read all that article, it provides interesting facts regarding the dhulbahante who support sland are not necessarily the natives of sool,sanaag, and cayn but are really the dhulbahante who lived in the cities of isaaq and worked with isaaq ppl and stayed among them. These ppl are very small percentage because not all dhulbahante have just moved and lived in burco and hargeisa. Only the ones who went there for work-reasons and developed friendships with them.

Secondly do isaaq and dhulbahante share political idealogy? if u assess history that is impossible. The dhulbahante can't just ignore the history of dervish who fought for somali heritage and side with the devil who sold his ass to the west. Can u abadon your ancestor who died fighting the british and say "he fought for nothing" because now we will side with the british.

It is big difficult to say that and that is the main reason i believe dhulbahante don't support seccessionism. It will be direct insult to their ancestors who died and the historic buildings are still in talex and the saldhigs for all to see. So it's impossible for dhulbahante to say we share the same political aspirations as isaaq because taleex saldhigs are still viewable and the graves of dervish are still open for all to see. Therefore isaaq and dhulbahante do not share political idealogy not the majority of dhulbahante. Only the dhulbahante who lived in hargeisa and burco and worked there and developed friendship among them have the idealogy isaaq has, they have been brain-washed by snm propaganda which i have exposed many times with factual informations.

So conclusion is...dhulbahante and isaaq share not a political idealogy, nor do the dhulbahante intermarriage majority with isaaq but infact intermarry majority within themselves. And lastly Dhulbahante elders never signed a treaty with the british therefore historically speaking can not be considered sland without a treaty, they were fighting the invaders which indicates they didn't want any-part to do with the british. Sland ppl can only state a few dhulos in the major cities of hargeisa and burco and say "look dhulos were present" but those ppl they state went against their clan elders and majority population wishes. So that argument hold's no water. Infact the historical border argument holds no water either which can be soundly refuted but that is for another day.

This thread is for u to educate yourselves about this lie dhulbahante and isaaq share history, marriage, political idealogy nonsense the ppl try to spread. The truth shall set us all free.. :up:

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Re: Factual Report Regarding Dhulbahante and Isaaq

Postby godness » Wed Jul 08, 2009 4:16 am

:lol: :lol:

Whaaat a Joka war listen u fool as a HY i can say that
we intermarry very little walle .. so the 30% is bull shid
Its all a lie there isnt one darood who have HY relatives its all lies dude
stop promoting it know one has ever said that there is any similiarity when it comes to intermarriage B
Between Dhullos and Isaaq specifically HY :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

BULL SHID .. :arrow:

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Re: Factual Report Regarding Dhulbahante and Isaaq

Postby Advo » Wed Jul 08, 2009 4:29 am

^Ina Qowdhan had a farm in burco.. iyaa iyaa yoow
and in his farm, out grew qamadi iyaa iyaa yoow
and the qamadi grew strong and happy, iyaa iyaa yoow
with a red qamadi here and a brown qamadi there
here a yellow qamadi, there a black qamadi, everywhere a U.N Qamadi
Ina Qowdhan had a farm, iyaa iyaa yoow


kids, join us next week as we sing the huuno melody of awdal. :up:

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Re: Factual Report Regarding Dhulbahante and Isaaq

Postby Osman-NZ » Wed Jul 08, 2009 5:31 am

advo --> nice little poetic rhyme do u know that i been seeking on starting a campaign of facts against marehan (i am still thinking about it)..

Godess...well that's good u don't subscribe to that mentality of isaaq and dhulos sharing culture, marriage, politics, etc...it's like comparing a lion(dhulbahante) to a hyena (isaaq) the two have nothing in common in their views of life and for that matter marriage.

Even if that marriage thing was used as argument it still can be debunked..for example...if white american marries black american...does that mean now he will disregard his white roots? of course not...just because white americans and black americans share a land in america...does that mean a white american will choose black american over "white british" who they don't share a land with....usually u will find the white american will choose the white british even though they don't share a land because of family unity over the black guy in america who they do share land and culture with... Family comes first..

Secondly all indepedences were decided upon factors of ethnicity, religion, political idealogies like communism and democracy....for example djibouti didn't join somalia because the french didn't want to see their strategic location in djibouti become a communist government. French government was democratic and if djibouti joined somalia they would adopt the communist idealogy which was definitely not in the interests of the french. The french prefer democratic government because they would have some common ground to unite on.

Secondly djibouti was also refused mainly because of it's large afar population, the french feared also by giving djibouti to somalia the afars would be among flood of somalis out-populating them and would lessen the afar ppl influence and possibly cause some huge ethnic clashes which could lead to afar extinction if the somalis ever decided to unite and attack them.

So djibouti was truly an exception to the rule of thumb, but if u study closely all countries that recieved indepedence it was becuz of ethnicity, religion, political idealogy....djibouti was because of political idealogy and ethnicity (afar)...eritrea recieved indepedene because of (religion) their population was majority muslims whilst the ethio government was christian...kosovo because they were muslims and the serbian government was christian, east timor because they were majority christians whilst the government was indonesian muslims...

I can't state all indepedences but if u look at all of them...especially modern indepedences...they had to do with those three things..1. Political idealogy...2. Ethnicity...3. Religion....those were usually the main factors on why they recieve indepedences either a combination of those factors or just 1 of those factors, or whatever but that was usually the ingredients...i have not seen 1 indepedence where they recieved indepedence solely based on "colonial borders"...The african indepedence are unique also their borders were drawn up by europeans, however when they recieved indepedence they struggled and died for it...and secondly for example...no case has been heard of where masai tribe of kenya or the oromo tribe of ethiopia says "I want indepedence because of colonial borders"...because the colonial borders have expired they hold no water in the african union..the african union recognized the indepedences of the colonial borders..that means somaliland indepedence border legally speaking is when they signed the dotted line with the union. Noone forced them to sign it, but they did...and nevertheless that became the recognized indepedence border for good or for bad...the african union would never reverse that because if it did...every tribe in africa would have a case...after the genocide of hutus and tutsi they would have good chance of getting what they want but noone gave them separation and that was one of the worst genocides in modern history.

So i hope u learn something, because sland will never recieve indepedence not based on colonial borders anyways...but let me tell u something because i know the plan they want to do...what ur snm ppl want to do is "scare somalis with indepedence call" which they know they can never get because if the tutsi and hutus didnt get it and who had worse genocide...then sland is out of the question...plus a range of other factors which denies them the right for indepedence.

But what they want to do is to get bigger slice of somalia power-share...so they try to use that indepedence threat on ppl to recieve more when they will be forced to negioate power...so it's just political tool to get more power by threatening somalis with "indepedence" call...because like i said if they truly wanted indepedence then they know colonial borders is never going to get them that...but they still use it which tells me they are not really after indepedence but just after more power in somalia and want to threaten somalis with it...unfortunately alot of u kids in the west fall for snm propaganda and think sland really wants indepedence but ur leaders really dont want indepedence they just using it to gain more power-slice out of somalia. And if they truly wanted indepedence which i am sure ur going to state...then surely they wouldn't use such weak claim like colonial borders which is totally against article 6 of the african union...

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Re: Factual Report Regarding Dhulbahante and Isaaq

Postby sheekh-Farax-zero » Wed Jul 08, 2009 6:19 am

You know Hitler once said "If you tell a lie long enough, it will be taken as truth"...



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Re: Factual Report Regarding Dhulbahante and Isaaq

Postby Desert-Runner » Thu Jul 09, 2009 2:40 am

sheekh-Farax-zero wrote:
You know Hitler once said "If you tell a lie long enough, it will be taken as truth"...



:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Somehow this quote reminds me of Somalinet's Mareexan, especially when you take Ahmed Gurey into account. Two years ago from today I was clear to who this man was and he was anything but Mareexan, nowadays though I'm not so sure anymore. :lol:


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