Why doesn't Puntland secure Lascanood?

[grandpakhalif]

Why dont you guys retake what is rightfully yours according to Puntland charter? How are you allowing the Somaliland scum to walk free in Puntland territory, I say use those new arms and pull an AY.

[garoweboy]

Because the locals there support ssc or somaliland.

[Monk-of-Mogadishu]

This is a question you should ask Dulbahante. If any faction tried that shit on a Majerteen city they'd be wiped out. Dulbahante invited Somaliland and we first need to get them to be patriotic again because at the moment they are just allowing their city to be occupied.

Basically, if Reer Dalal allowed Galmudug to occupy their main city, could the rest of Marexaan just attack the Reer Dalal cities? First we need to sit down with the occupied and get them to use their heads, otherwise they'll fight us instead of the traitors.

Garoweboy is correct, the locals are anti-Puntland/anti-Somalia and its unfortunate. You can't bring military solutions there or it becomes a clan war between MJs and Dulbahante.

[Estarix]

Dhulbahante does not equal Xaabsade, the people who stabbed Puntland on the back was Xaabsade and a small sub sub clan millitia which he helped Somaliland with and the henious result which ended up with 30,000 - 50,000 civillians leaving the area when Somaliland took the city.
The people there are pro Puntland and pro Somalia.

[Khalid Ali]

Grandpa bintiland is to afraid to fight against somaliland , so they cant do much they just watch on the sidelines

[garoweboy]

Grandpa bintiland is to afraid to fight against somaliland , so they cant do much they just watch on the sidelines

if the lion was a wake the dhulbahantes would chase you back to hargeisa. they just dont want to fight you guys but sxb remember one these people will get up cuze there pure somali wadani and they should teach you a lesson.
2011 is there year.

[abdalla11]

Lets do a reality check
in 2002 Somaliland tried to invade Laascaanood and they got their asses handled to them
in 2007 Xaabsade gave las caanood away and reer las canood were happy with it. Sland didn't even invade Sool but the accpted the invitation of reer sool

This is what happened in 2002 when Isaaq tried to invade Sool. It was written by a Somaliland MP on their official site

Laascaood 7dii Diisambar 2002

Imaatinkii madaxweynuhu waxay Laascaanood ku abuurtay cabsi iyo cadho. Sababtoo ah weftigii guurtida iyo salaadiintu niyada samida badan dhalisay waxa ka danbeeyey safarkan kediska ah ee aan ulajeedadiisa la iclaamin. Wax aan wanaagsanayn ayaa dadka u soo uray waxana la sugayey inay wax dhacaan. Wixii la sugayey ma raagan, waayo markii weftigii madaxweynuhu, ay iyagoo gataati dhac ah ay maryo-furteen oo garamo iyo macawiso uun la xidhay (gelin danbena ay tahay) ayay rasaastu dhinaca walba ka reentay. Waxa la kala garan waayey rasaastii ay ridayeen ilaaladii weftiga la socotay, tii ciidankii qaranka iyo rasaastii ciidanka soo duulay. Anfariirkii ayaa nin wasiirada ka mid ahi madaxweynihii isku duubay si uu ula baxsado sidaasna jujuub loogu saaray mid ka mid gawaadhidii gelbinaysay. Si halhaleel iyo habqan ah ayaa looga baxay magaaladii, qaar badan oo weftigii ka mid ah ayaa halkii lagaga cararay, wasiiro iyo wariyeyaal weftiga la socday oo markaa suuqa ku sugnaa ayaa laga tegay, kaloonyadii madaxweynaha iska daa cid ay la hadalsho eh, iyadoo aan koob shaah ah cabin ayay ka soo huleelshay Laascaanood. Rafaad iyo qarda-jeex kadib, firxadkii weftigu waxay habeenimadii yimmaaddeen magaalada Caynabo.

http://www.somaliland.org/2007/11/26/ma ... uf-cartan/

Couple of questions should be answered:

If Somaliland is so powerful and they took Laascaanood by force, how come they 'skipped' buuhoodle which is way closer to hargaysa than Laascaanood?
And if reer laas caanood are unhappy with the 'occupation' how come they didn't fire a single shot since Sland entered (three years ago without using force) Laascaanood? If you answer those two questions, you'll come to the conclusion that Sland was invited and that Puntland was stabbed in the back

[The_Emperior5]

Lets do a reality check
in 2002 Somaliland tried to invade Laascaanood and they got their asses handled to them
in 2007 Xaabsade gave las caanood away and reer las canood were happy with it. Sland didn't even invade Sool but the accpted the invitation of reer sool

This is what happened in 2002 when Isaaq tried to invade Sool. It was written by a Somaliland MP on their official site

Laascaood 7dii Diisambar 2002

Imaatinkii madaxweynuhu waxay Laascaanood ku abuurtay cabsi iyo cadho. Sababtoo ah weftigii guurtida iyo salaadiintu niyada samida badan dhalisay waxa ka danbeeyey safarkan kediska ah ee aan ulajeedadiisa la iclaamin. Wax aan wanaagsanayn ayaa dadka u soo uray waxana la sugayey inay wax dhacaan. Wixii la sugayey ma raagan, waayo markii weftigii madaxweynuhu, ay iyagoo gataati dhac ah ay maryo-furteen oo garamo iyo macawiso uun la xidhay (gelin danbena ay tahay) ayay rasaastu dhinaca walba ka reentay. Waxa la kala garan waayey rasaastii ay ridayeen ilaaladii weftiga la socotay, tii ciidankii qaranka iyo rasaastii ciidanka soo duulay. Anfariirkii ayaa nin wasiirada ka mid ahi madaxweynihii isku duubay si uu ula baxsado sidaasna jujuub loogu saaray mid ka mid gawaadhidii gelbinaysay. Si halhaleel iyo habqan ah ayaa looga baxay magaaladii, qaar badan oo weftigii ka mid ah ayaa halkii lagaga cararay, wasiiro iyo wariyeyaal weftiga la socday oo markaa suuqa ku sugnaa ayaa laga tegay, kaloonyadii madaxweynaha iska daa cid ay la hadalsho eh, iyadoo aan koob shaah ah cabin ayay ka soo huleelshay Laascaanood. Rafaad iyo qarda-jeex kadib, firxadkii weftigu waxay habeenimadii yimmaaddeen magaalada Caynabo.

http://www.somaliland.org/2007/11/26/ma ... uf-cartan/

Couple of questions should be answered:

If Somaliland is so powerful and they took Laascaanood by force, how come they 'skipped' buuhoodle which is way closer to hargaysa than Laascaanood?
And if reer laas caanood are unhappy with the 'occupation' how come they didn't fire a single shot since Sland entered (three years ago without using force) Laascaanood? If you answer those two questions, you'll come to the conclusion that Sland was invited and that Puntland was stabbed in the back

why did dhulbahante made ssc is because they are against somaliland,, they were hoping puntland would fight for it but the pirates chickend out and fled even xiif cali taar xabbad kuma dhiman isago sii ordaya bu gaadhi la qalibmay
Somaliland officials visit and go to buhooodle in and out the thing with buhoodle is its a small town one side is in somaliland the other side is Ethiopia 85% of the so called gobolka cayn is somaliland hands today
Abdale just face it you are to afraid to fight for your land thats why you are giving excusses. saying well anagu waxba kama qaban karno dhulbahante keenay if you consider dhulbahante part of buntiland then you would fight for it if you dont then haba ka hadlin dee.. maanta hada lugu so duulo magaalada lawyacade ay djibouti qabsato oo ay beel ka mid ah awdali keento do you think,, i would just say well dee reer hebbel ba keensaday hargeisa anu iska fadhino

[abdalla11]

Why are you acting so dumb bro? Is there a fight going on wherein Puntland is watching from the sidelines? i mean an actual war.
You're comparing oranges with apples. When Djibouti invaded Gadabursi territory, the Gadabursi where the first to defend their cities. In 2007 Dhulbahantes invitated Sland and Puntland, despite that half of the PL army went to Xamar, fought them but they were backstabbed by their own people i.e Xaabsade, so are you suggesting that Puntland fights reer sool and drive them away from their own deegaan? WTF, qof aan ku rabin ma qasbi kartid.
Don't compare the Gadabursi war with the situation in Sool

Btw, the pro-puntland dhulbahante want a peaceful solution and i don't blame them

LOL@ you not commenting on the article of your own MP, walle waa lagu karbaashay in 2002

[The_Emperior5]

abdalle oke let me ask you a question if Cumar maxamuuud bring sacad in north galkacyo with the galmudug thing , will faroole say well cumar maxamuud needs to defend them selfs we are ciise maxamuud we will protect our garowe. but cumar maxamuud isagu ha is difaaco.

[abdalla11]

abdalle oke let me ask you a question if Cumar maxamuuud bring sacad in north galkacyo with the galmudug thing , will faroole say well cumar maxamuud needs to defend them selfs we are ciise maxamuud we will protect our garowe. but cumar maxamuud isagu ha is difaaco.

That doesn't make any sense. Why does cumar maxamuud needs to defend themselves while they brought sacad and sided with them and make them their allies? doesn't makesense.

If you said parts of cumar maxamuud wants galmudug and invites them to PL territory and other parts oppose it and they clash, then ofcourse Faroole will send his army and karbaash the one who invites Galmudug to PL territory. Is that the case with Dhulbahnate? No, it's not, the pro PL Dhullous don't want any anti-PL dhulbahante shed blood and vice versa, so why would an MJ insist in killing dhulbahante? haday dagaal rabaan qabaa'ilada waala garab istaagaya, haday dagaal rabina, dee ma dagaal baa lagu qasbaaya?

If Cumar maxamuud brought Galmudug and other MJ subclans say, let's take things easy and solve this peaceful, i would oppose if a non-MJ president would insist in karbaashing my clan. Sometimes you should allow the clans to come to an agreements with each other

[The_Emperior5]

abdalle oke let me ask you a question if Cumar maxamuuud bring sacad in north galkacyo with the galmudug thing , will faroole say well cumar maxamuud needs to defend them selfs we are ciise maxamuud we will protect our garowe. but cumar maxamuud isagu ha is difaaco.

That doesn't make any sense. Why does cumar maxamuud needs to defend themselves while they brought sacad and sided with them and make them their allies? doesn't makesense.

If you said parts of cumar maxamuud wants galmudug and invites them to PL territory and other parts oppose it and they clash, then ofcourse Faroole will send his army and karbaash the one who invites Galmudug to PL territory. Is that the case with Dhulbahnate? No, it's not, the pro PL Dhullous don't want any anti-PL dhulbahante shed blood and vice versa, so why would an MJ insist in killing dhulbahante? haday dagaal rabaan qabaa'ilada waala garab istaagaya, haday dagaal rabina, dee ma dagaal baa lagu qasbaaya?

If Cumar maxamuud brought Galmudug and other MJ subclans say, let's take things easy and solve this peaceful, i would oppose if a non-MJ president would insist in karbaashing my clan. Sometimes you should allow the clans to come to an agreements with each other

I see but even if the whole Cumar maxamuud said we want to be part of galmudug you still have the leelkase who want to be part of puntland will there not be classh then , So you guys don't mind if the clan wants it its oke, there is no problem well thats the problem with puntland , wax sharci ah kuma dhaqatan. If today My habar awal clan brings Ethiopians inside wajaale. i would not have a problem if Siilaanyo kabraashed the shit out of them for doing that. because somaliland ba ka weyn my subclan ama waxay raban.

[abdalla11]

sxb, Somalia's culture and degaans is based on qabiil, it's not ideal but it's the truth. We just don't want this to become a dhulbahante vs MJ thing, wax kheyr ah kuma jiro
Anigu hiilo waa la igu yaqaanaa, when Marxuum MSB was in trouble and all his fake generals left him, who brought him to safety and put the political differences on the side?

This is what Cali dhuux said

Haawayda waxaan Geelayaga hawdka ula daajay.
Hartaan ahay halyaygii Calina waan isku hubaaye.
Isagaa hubkii noo hayiyo halowle maadhiine.

Your own Salaan carabey said MJ gobinimo iyo geesinimo waa lagu yaqaan

Hiimbaarsigii uma ekeyn Habar Majeerteene.
Inkastooy habakay gobi lahayd hadiyad loo siiyey.
Hubso dhaha Hartigu waa ogyahay haarihii Muduge.
Hiinraaca waa lagu yaqaan heedhe doqoneede.
Bal inuu hanfade waalaln yahay habi la'aantiisa.
Haddmuu ku hirtay Cali Yuusuf kuu Humay colaadiisa.
Ninase haybta kuma raaci karo hooyo aan dhaline

This is a tumaal poet

1-Nin diin dhigan lahaa iyo ninkii darajo eegaayey.

2-Iyo fiqi cilmigga daalacshoo dumar xalaaleeyey.

3-Iyo Boqor sidii ceel durdura loo dareerahayo.

4-Iyo wiil da'diisii kacdoo timaha deebeeyey.

5-Iyo deeq ninkii bixin jiriyo geesi diriraaya.

6-Iyo daabad nimankii lahaa daday ahaayeenba.

7-Waa tii daraawiish aduun loogu dawgalaye.

8-Mudug waa dalaal oo raggii daaqi jirey waaye.

9-Dooxooyinkii laga abaad daranta weynaaye.

10-Inuu Ciise Maxamuud dam yiri duluglihii sheegye.

11-Dufan waxaan lahayn baa ka haray magaci Daaroode.

12-Anigu daalimaayee waxaan haddal ku duuduubay.

13-Dabarka Yuusuf Cali baa u daran duni dhamaanteede. <<< dhibkasto Somalia soo gaartay, jabkii Yuusuf Cali baa ka weyn i.e he was the last hope

And the list is long wallahi

[Ureysoo]

Grandpa bintiland is to afraid to fight against somaliland , so they cant do much they just watch on the sidelines

Lol, and what Somaliland forces are in Lascanood?. Ma Nimanka Dhulos (Xaabsade and co.)?....

[gurey25]

The dhulos are in a difficult situation.

They are pulled towards Hartism on one side and on the other side towards somaliland..

Ask yourselves why dont they run towards thier harti brothers??

Its becuase Puntland is in reality Majerteeniya, the Majerteen monopolize all power and try to monopolize all economic power as well, and they do not know how to share.
When somaliland administration was away, there was no development, the police and other civil servants did not get payed, there was no law and order and your ngo's could not function very well.

why are they pulled towards somaliland?
It is becuase the political culture of the Isaaq is very different to other clans,
We are anarchic by nature and we have always been against the concentration of power.
even the smallest isaaq sub clans believe they are equal to everyone else and infact behave that way even against another subclans that is 5 times their size.
In our history we have never allowed anyone to get away with siezing too much power.

The closest example of darood like behaviour among isaaq is probably xirsi amaan in the 1840-70's.
He was HY and came to dominate his own clan with a tight grip and then dominated berbera and the ports trade and dominated the HA, then he intituted taxation for the first time on the nomads and traders.
Then he expanded against the ogaden and captured much of the current territory, and even reached all the way to the shebelle for a brief time..

You would expect the isaaq to welcome this and hail him as a hero, but no
his own clan brought him down and all of his acomplishments vanished..

No in Majerteeniya you have the oppposite, there is something like a master clan and client clan and this is somewhat accepted...


The dhulos do not want to be a client clan even under thier own harti brothers,
their best option would be to join thier anarchic nighbours the isaaq where there is equality and where equality is jelously gaurded.

There will never be a master isaaq clan, but always a noisy struggle of equal clans..\


In this enviroment the dhulos and the warsengelis can take advantage of the normal isaaq disunity,
make the right coalitions and then capture the biggest piece of the pie, politically and economically speaking...

Can you honestly say that they can do that in Majerteeniya AKA Puntland AKA Pirateland?