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A Look at Kenya’s Intervention in Somalia

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A Look at Kenya’s Intervention in Somalia

Postby D-Runner » Sat Mar 31, 2012 5:25 am

Elements in the Kenyan army, led by senior Kenyan Somali officers and politicians, including Minister of State for Defense Yusuf Haji, had long desired to intervene. They were eager to test Kenya’s well-equipped but little-used army in war conditions, to advance the interests of their own Ogadeni sub-clans in Jubaland, to gain personally from the stabilization of trade in cattle and other commodities, to capture the port of Kismayu, and to establish a Kenya-dominated buffer zone... The Kenyans are well placed to establish an understanding with the Ogadenis, as the clan straddles the border, but they must be careful to take into account the Marehan and Harti, the other major clan in Jubaland.
The government has grandiose plans, costing an estimated $30 billion, to open up northern Kenya over the next 30 years. Such vast investment requires much tighter control over the region.

Kenya’s aims may not be the same as those of the United States and the European Union. Western countries have currently staked their interests on building a strong central government in Mogadishu that can provide some cohesion for a Somali state. Both Kenya and Ethiopia, the main voices in the regional political group, the Intergovernmental Authority on Development (IGAD), would be quite willing to accept the balkanization of Somalia with five or six regions linked in a weak confederal structure. Neither particularly wishes to see a stable government in Mogadishu and certainly not one with a serious Islamist presence. Both countries, however, want increased stability along their borders and are keen to work with Somali proxies to establish a more controlled and peaceful situation along their frontiers.

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The need to incorporate other important clans such as the Harti it seems it given a major importance over establishing an actual stable government in Mogadishu. :lol:

Between us, the Cagdheer and Ilkoyar I think we made the wisest decision. While we have accomplished a lot they have been wondering around the Deep South like a headless chicken. And soon it seems despite our absences we'll be seating from across each other... why? Bitch because I matter. And there will be scores to settle once the oil in Puntland start following (an added bonus)... past ill haven't been forgotten. For now not one sweat will be last on our part, our importance in all affairs Jubaland will do the trick.

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Re: A Look at Kenya’s Intervention in Somalia

Postby Advo » Sat Mar 31, 2012 5:29 am

Hey D-runner, hows Puntland sxb? I haven't been upto date with Faroole and his movements lately.

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Re: A Look at Kenya’s Intervention in Somalia

Postby D-Runner » Sat Mar 31, 2012 5:32 am

Farole is busy preparing the Roadmap for Somalia. Is Hiraale still in prison?

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Re: A Look at Kenya’s Intervention in Somalia

Postby Murax » Sat Mar 31, 2012 5:34 am

^^


Garowe Accord 2 clearly states that You must try to make Yourself relevant in places like Jubaland, even when You're not :lol:

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Re: A Look at Kenya’s Intervention in Somalia

Postby D-Runner » Sat Mar 31, 2012 5:44 am

Jubaland is touchy subject sxb; it needs a Roadmap of its own.
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Re: A Look at Kenya’s Intervention in Somalia

Postby Voltage » Sat Mar 31, 2012 5:45 am

God speed. :up:
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Re: A Look at Kenya’s Intervention in Somalia

Postby Voltage » Sat Mar 31, 2012 5:45 am

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Re: A Look at Kenya’s Intervention in Somalia

Postby Murax » Sat Mar 31, 2012 6:01 am

The writer who wrote this was just lazy and did a couple of google searches.


D-Runner,
Bro this isn't 1998.

Bottom line is this:

-Ogadeeni officials in the Kenyan Gov were really pushing the Kenyan invasion although Kenya was going in for their own reasons.
-It became clear that a Jubaland without Marehan support is impossible
-AMISOM, Ethiopia, IGAD met in Addis and agreed that the new army of that state will be comprised of the current Ahlu Sunnah, Ras Kambooni, TFG elements there and the meetings for that were held in Doolow and Dhoobley.



The hardest challenge right now that these bodies had was splitting the pie between MR/OG and every effort is being made to get these two groups on the same page. After that pie is split there is simply no more to split aside from giving all the other clans thier share. MJ as businessmen, residents, traders, etc. I welcome it. I'm the farthest from the unuka leh mentality. MJ leadership in Jubaland=Not feasible or practical. Its not personal its just a numbers game.


Case in point I think every Somali should be able to live in Puntland since it is Somali deegan. However nobody other than Harti , Laylakse or other Reer Puntland should contest its Presidency.

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Re: A Look at Kenya’s Intervention in Somalia

Postby Voltage » Sat Mar 31, 2012 6:11 am

Honestly this is how I forsee the political structure will be brokered

Gedo - MR governor
Lower Jubba - OG governor
Middle Jubba - Rotation between Bartire/Awlyahan and Gaaljecel/Sheekhaal governor

Kismaayo District- MR governor

Jubbaland President - MR/Absame rotation
Jubbaland Vice-President MR/Absame rotation
Jubbaland Speaker - Gaaljecel/Sheekhaal/Bantu/Cawrmale/Bajuni/Dabbare/Jiido
Jubbaland Parliamentarians/Ministers - MR/Absame/Gaaljecel/Sheekhaal/Bantu/Cawrmale/Bajuni/Dabbare/Jiido/Harti/Dir

I do know both Ethiopia and Kenya and the TFG know Jubbaland without Marehan support has the least chance of succeeding and that the Marehan consider these non-negotiable:

1. Goveror of Gedo
2. Mayor of Kismaayo
3. State's first President

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Re: A Look at Kenya’s Intervention in Somalia

Postby D-Runner » Sat Mar 31, 2012 6:31 am

Murax,

Land grabbing was a JVA think, as far as the Harti settlement in Kismaayo, etc. are concern, Hiraale will not be dictating anything to us sxb... AMISOM will be the law and I expect them to be fair since their the only people cured of qabiil in that cursed area you ilk has laid to waste. As far as you ilk are concerned, clearing the way for more Hiraale land grabbing little fukkers from Abduwaq is a thing of the past, I say it's best you ilk heal past wounds rather then continue to wallow in your ignorance like the usual little fukkers who can't see past themselves (people like you are the reason fukkers like Rovingmadass are stuck with their "unuka leh" mentality. Either ways I'm prepared but are you? I'm not sure you ilk can afford to wonder around another decade like a headless chicken.
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Re: A Look at Kenya’s Intervention in Somalia

Postby Murax » Sat Mar 31, 2012 6:31 am

Honestly this is how I forsee the political structure will be brokered

Gedo - MR governor
Lower Jubba - OG governor
Middle Jubba - Rotation between Bartire/Awlyahan and Gaaljecel/Sheekhaal governor

Kismaayo District- MR governor

Jubbaland President - MR/Absame rotation
Jubbaland Vice-President MR/Absame rotation
Jubbaland Speaker - Gaaljecel/Sheekhaal/Bantu/Cawrmale/Bajuni/Dabbare/Jiido
Jubbaland Parliamentarians/Ministers - MR/Absame/Gaaljecel/Sheekhaal/Bantu/Cawrmale/Bajuni/Dabbare/Jiido/Harti/Dir

I do know both Ethiopia and Kenya and the TFG know Jubbaland without Marehan support has the least chance of succeeding and that the Marehan consider these non-negotiable:

1. Goveror of Gedo
2. Mayor of Kismaayo
3. State's first President

Call me a psyco but if it actually came to it and there was no other way, I wouldn't mind giving up Presidency to Cagdheer just for tanaasul purposes. As for 1 and 2 wax laga hadlo maaha.

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Re: A Look at Kenya’s Intervention in Somalia

Postby Murax » Sat Mar 31, 2012 6:41 am

Murax,

Land grabbing was a JVA think, as far as the Harti settlement in Kismaayo, etc. are concern, Hiraale will not be dictating anything to us sxb... AMISOM will be the law and I expect them to be fair since their the only people cured of qabiil in that cursed area you ilk has laid to waste. As far as you ilk are concerned, clearing the way for more Hiraale land grabbing little fukkers from Abduwaq is a think in the past, I say it's best you ilk heal past wounds rather then continue to wallow in your ignorance like the usual little fukkers who can't see past themselves (people like you are the reason fukkers like Rovingmadass are stuck with their "unuka leh" mentality. Either ways I'm prepared but are you? I'm not sure you ilk can afford to wonder around another decade like a headless chicken.

Theres no landgrabbing. Luuq, Baardheere, Doolow, Buurdoobo along with a presence in L Jubba doesn't mean I'm grabbing land. We've lived there for centuries. Whats more important is are You gonna distinguish Yourself as a sensible poster on this forum are are You gonna be a perpetual Ilkayar/Jubaland troll a la Gudhad?

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Re: A Look at Kenya’s Intervention in Somalia

Postby D-Runner » Sat Mar 31, 2012 6:55 am

You lived there for centuries meaning your ilk has lived there for centuries whereas you have probably been born and fatten in Mogadishu under the Kacaan regime? Most likely and if its ture, between me and you who has more permanent status in Kismaayo, I having been born and raised there?

If anything my family has vacated Kismaayo do to animals like Hiiraale, etc. warmongering ways.

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Re: A Look at Kenya’s Intervention in Somalia

Postby Murax » Sat Mar 31, 2012 7:14 am

You lived there for centuries meaning your ilk has lived there for centuries whereas you have probably been born and fatten in Mogadishu under the Kacaan regime? Most likely and if its ture, between me and you who has more permanent status in Kismaayo, I having been born and raised there?

If anything my family has vacated Kismaayo do to animals like Hiiraale, etc. warmongering ways.

Marexaan wey kaa gobsanyihiin. Theres a reason Your leader Morgan was the most reviled warlord to ever preside over Jubooyinka by all the clans that live there, while people had pretty minimal complaints against MR. Beesha has proven time and time again they can be lived amongst and a city can be shared with them. We're not the clan that used pirate money, miskiin shacab tax money to launch a onslaught against their own citizens in Garsoor, Gaalkacyo a little while ago even though You still got defeated. Beesha Dhulbahante with Khaatumo, want nothing to do with You and rolled. Warsangeli went to Somaliland and its completely understandable as You are now laughibly talking about coming to a region and standing tit for tat against MR who outnumber You 500 to 1, and Lord knows outgun You 1000 to 1. Frankly nobody wants any part of You, no Daarood and certainly no other Somali. I'm not saying this with any anger laakin Dhulkiina ku ekaada Puntland.

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Re: A Look at Kenya’s Intervention in Somalia

Postby D-Runner » Sat Mar 31, 2012 7:52 am

I ask you a simple question which you could've answered with a simple answer but no, you had to bring up Dhulos, Warsan's and LL. No one was discussing Puntland here but since you brought it up, let me inform you that all and everyone one of the clans you mentioned are represented in as high up in Puntland executive and in the states parliament. Fortunately the state did the wise thing by not investing in Xaabsade with pocket money. Why are you saying Puntland should have? Sxb, no one that isn't fully invested in Puntland is worth a penny. As far as Garsoor is concerned, no the state didn't go to war with LL, it was an unfortunate incident and it has since been resolved. About the pirate money, I think you read too much anti Puntland media as expected from your lot and I'm surprised the least.


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