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Culimada ugu waaweyn Soomaalida oo bayaan soo saaray

http://www.somalinp.com/warar/Dec11_culumo.html

Magacyada culumadii ka qeyb qaatay kulankaasi:

1. Sheekh Calaamah Shariif Cabdinuur Shariif
2. Sheekh Cumar Faaruuq Xaaji Cabdi Suldaan
3. Sheekh Dr. Axmed Maxamed Maax
4. Sheekh C/qaadir Nuur faarax
5. Sheekh Maxamed Cabdi Umal
6. Sheekh Daahir Aw-Cabdi
7. Sheekh Xasan Xuseen Aadam
8. Sheekh Dr. Cali Cumar Cabdullaahi
9. Sheekh Dr. Cali Maxamed Saalix
10. Sheekh Faarax Mire Rooble
11. Sheekh Maxamed Idiris Axmed
12. Sheekh Dr. C/risaaq Maxamud Takar
13. Sheekh Maxamed Qaasim Maxamud
14. Sheekh C/laahi Daahir Jaamac
15. Sheekh C/raxmaan Abyad
16. Sheekh Aadan Sh. C/laahi
17. Sheekh C/risaaq Aadan Macallin
18. Sheekh Maxamuud Sh. Axmed Xasan (Abu Shaybah)
19. Sh. Mustaf Xaaji Ismaaciil Haaruun
20. Sh. Maxamed Cismaan Calaso
21. Sheekh Cabdiqani Xuseen

Enlightened~Sista wrote:It has become crystal clear you want to convert us.

Convert you to what? I don't follow in any organized religion. And if I was, so what? Islam proselytizes all the time.

"If you hate them that much what are you doing here?"

This is Somalinet not Islamnet. It's for Somalis of all creeds. So calm down. I know I touched raw nerve by exposing your weak faith in Islam.

Enlightened~Sista wrote:Say: O unbelievers!
I worship not that which you worship;
Nor will you worship that which I worship.
And I shall not worship that which you worship.
Nor will you worship that which I worship.
To you be your Way, and to me mine.

This is Meccan verse and it's abrogated by madina verses (especially by infamous Ayat Al-Seeyf). lakum diinakum waliya diin is no longer valid. You should know that.


Shirib, stop fronting. You were the biggest Alshabaabi on these boards. Not only did you support their political agenda but you also supported their actions including: stoning to death, beheadings, lashings, amputations, suicide bombers and so on. You used to argue that just about everything they did was in keep with Islam. What has changed? You made 180% change. How come?

If you don't wanna talk about the visit by the CIA/FBI I can understand.

BTW, Sh. Umal is self-serving hypocrite. Yesterday he was one the biggest proponents of belligerent Jihad and religious fanaticism. Now that the Kenyan government is considering revoking his Kenyan citizenship, he's changing his tone and distancing himself from the very people who helped groom. How many young Somali boys are today dead or languishing in prisons or nursing life-long disabilities as a direct result of ideology that Sh. Umul preached? I think this is taqiya and he's still Jihadi. Kenya should revoke his citizenship and send him back to Ethiopia. I'm sure Zenawi knows how to deal with his ilk.

Hoowle wrote:BTW, Sh. Umal is self-serving hypocrite. Yesterday he was one the biggest proponents of belligerent Jihad and religious fanaticism. Now that the Kenyan government is considering revoking his Kenyan citizenship, he's changing his tone and distancing himself from the very people who helped groom. How many young Somali boys are today dead or languishing in prisons or nursing life-long disabilities as a direct result of ideology that Sh. Umul preached? I think this is taqiya and he's still Jihadi. Kenya should revoke his citizenship and send him back to Ethiopia. I'm sure Zenawi knows how to deal with his ilk.

Look at this cartoon character. Sh. Umal considers the fight in Somalia TODAY a fight of "fitna". It is a fight between two Muslim sides who should be resolving their differences through talks and peaceful means. There is no reason for fighting and his position is supported by all the Muslim Culumaa, Sh Qardawi, and the international Muslim scholars.

Sh. Umal never retracted and continued until the end to label the war against Ethiopia a "Jihad". Here is reiterating the point..the fight against Ethiopia was a Jihad, the fight now is a fitna. Why should he fear the Kenyans when he was saying the same thing for the two years Ethiopia was in Somalia?




As for that attention starved child called Somali_Star, I said it before and I will say it again...from the Clubs to Islamic scholars in matters of weeks. He can't even speak Somali because he is underage.

shirib, according to the book and the sunnah, here's how many ways sharif has disbelieved:

(1) he's sworn - ironicly on allah's book - to protect falsehood and kufr, i.e. the tfg constitution.
(2) he's allied himself with the mushrikeen - and is under their protection - against the believers, i.e. shabab al-mujahideen and their allies.
(3) he's set up himself as rival to allah swt by setting up his own path; one that rivals the path of allah swt.
(4) he's wagging war against non-watered-downed law of allah swt and thereby in the process setting himself up as an enemy of allah swt and his messenger.
(5) not only has he abandoned jihad against those occupying the land of islam, i.e. ethiopia and kenya, but he's giving them the rights to even more islamic land!
(6) he doesn't carry out the prescript punishments of allah swt; hasn't done it a single time.
(8) he's wagging war against the exclusive right of sovereignty and rule of allah swt.

and these are just few of the kufr that take one out of the fold of islam committed by sharif.

Enlightened~Sista wrote:Say: O unbelievers!
I worship not that which you worship;
Nor will you worship that which I worship.
And I shall not worship that which you worship.
Nor will you worship that which I worship.
To you be your Way, and to me mine.

subhanallah! the murtad is right - this verse has been abrogated and isn't valid any longer. total ownage i must say. lol


the murtad sure knows islam and can't claim ignorance in the akhirah!

Somali_Star you and your group's problem is the rigidity with which you apply everything. Islam is waasac, it is like the ocean. The man reason there is emphasis on consensus, scholars, and community is to study the religion and apply it appripriately at any which place and time.

Look at these examples. The Qur'an says DO NOT TAKE THE NON-BELIEVERS AS AWLIYAA OR FRIENDS. But what is the methodology, what is the context, what is the historical reason, and how can this be applied in specific situations?

When the prophet and his army was headed towards Mecca, in the campaign to conquer, he had many non-believing Arab tribes with him who joined him not because they were Muslim or wanted to enlargen Islam but because they wanted a favorable alliance to have influence in Mecca. The prophet took them on and actively solicited their support still.

In the treaty of Hudaybiyah, the prophet reached an agreement with the non-believers and even after they would not allow him to write Prophet or the name of Allah on the paper he accepted it, for peace and to secure a truce for his people.

Do you understand how complex situations can be? Not everything is black and white, there are many shade and one needs to understand the situations where such stipulations are acceptable, situations where you can choose different route, and all the possible routs opened to the Muslim leader and nation. It is the ignorance that leads one to black and white the issue and apply everything rigidity.

I am not a supporter of Shiekh Sharif per se but I find it unacceptable someone can label him non-Muslim on anything let alone what he thinks will best move the Somali people and Islam in the nation in a better direction especially when he has the support of the people who know and have knowledge of Islamic law and history.

Now wipe your diapers and sniff your nose child!

i honestly think this somali star punk bitch is a spy!!. think about it, we used to accuse arabman of being a spy for similar threads and posts, and when arabman left, guess who picked up right where he left off?? this rat somali star!.

wow, voltage; you didn't lie about me this time. very strange of you. are you feeling ok?

really, as an ignorant layman, you need to stop interpreting verses from allah's book for yourself.

1. this matter, seeking assistance from the Kuffar against the believers or, even worse, furthering their agenda or taking them as awliya, as sharif is doing, is from the fundamentals of the deen. it's a matter of emaan and kufr.

2. by default, you're not allowed to take kuffar as allies - and you can forget about taking them as awliya - and this the agreed upon opinion of the vast majority of the scholars of ahl us-sunnah wal jamah. but there do exist conditions where you can seek the aid of kuffar. according to the scholars of ahl us-sunnah the conditions for being allowed to take kuffar as allies are thus:

a) If there is a need; most said “necessity”
b) No one else is able to help
c) The Muslims are able to repel those Kuffâr, whose assistance was sought, from killing the defeated Muslim rebels who flee
d) The rule of the Muslims is dominant over the Kuffâr
e) That these Kuffâr are brave and able to fulfill what they are being asked to fulfill
f) That he trusts them to not contradict his orders in how to fight the Bughât as far as attacking and pursuing those Muslim rebels (Bughât) who flee or give up.

Then at this point, if the conditions existed for the exception to be made for that general prohibition, an Islâmic state would be permitted to seek the military assistance of the Kuffâr against the Muslim rebels, although some scholars left it unrestrictedly forbidden.

nothing of the sort was ever mentioned at all by you. what you're claiming is that you can take kuffar as awliya or allies without conditions attached to it - subhanallah! according to you, not only it's not longer about kufr or emaan, or even haram or halal, but something that's even good! your ignorance is exposing itself again! there's a cure for your ignorance, you do know, right? get it!


YOU CAN NOT TAKE MUSHRIKS FOR AWLIYA AS SHARIF IS DOING! YOU CAN ONLY TAKE KUFFAR AID WHEN THE AFOREMENTIONED CONDITIONS ARE MEET! BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO HAPPEN WHAT'S HAPPENING IN XAMAR TODAY WHERE THE FUFUS ARE SHELLING AND MASSACRING THE POOR PEOPLE OF THAT CITY INDISCRIMINATELY AND THE TFG CAN DO NOTHING ABOUT IT, EVEN IF IT WANTED, BECAUSE THEY'ER IN AN INFERIOR POSITION TO THEIR MUSHRIK PROTECTORS - THE MUSHRIKS CALL THE SHOOTS AND NOT THEM

Bal voltage eega , marku labo habeen si fiican u seexdo oo kiniinkisa qaato , ma cid ba ka saraysa ?

Hoowle wrote:Shirib, stop fronting. You were the biggest Alshabaabi on these boards. Not only did you support their political agenda but you also supported their actions including: stoning to death, beheadings, lashings, amputations, suicide bombers and so on. You used to argue that just about everything they did was in keep with Islam. What has changed? You made 180% change. How come?

I still support the stoning to death of people found guilty according to the sharia such as the man who was stoned in Wanlaweyn

I still support amputations for stealing if the correct measures are taken

I support beheading of murderers etc. if the correct measures are taken

I still support lashings

I never supported suicide bombings, been ha iga sheegin

I realized that this war is a war of tribulation and that no group deserves support because both sides are just furthering the destruction of Somalia.

SahanGalbeed wrote:Bal voltage eega , marku labo habeen si fiican u seexdo oo kiniinkisa qaato , ma cid ba ka saraysa ?

Honestly that is what I think about you. Two nights of good rest and you are sensible.

assalamu caleykum wa raahmatullah,

so what did you benefit from insulting shiekh umal (hafidahullah)?.

and why did he need to be compared to a dog wal ciyadubillah. you did all this because you disagreed with him, subxanallah. all you had to was bring the masala you disagreed with and bring daleel.its not hard bro.

you need to calm yourself down because wallahi this is not the manhaj of the mujahideen, as shiekh abu baseer at-turtuusi put it and by the way he is shiekh that is known to support the mujahideen.

these are amongst the traits of those who harm the way of the mujahideen, the ranters and ravers of no substance.

And from the most common traits of this group of people:

1 – They are known for their commotion, noise, ranting, lack of manners, bad character – all so that people would think that they are upon some knowledge and action, and that they are from the people of Jihad and ijtihad, and that they are upon something – and in reality, they are not upon anything!

2 – They are known for raising their voices above the voice of the Prophet, and above the Qur’anic text, and above the people of knowledge. They do not respect anything or anyone. They are driven by excessive zeal for Jihad, killing, and fighting, and their zeal in reality is nothing more than ranting, and more ranting – like a mirage that someone imagines to be a waterfall!

3 – They go for every opinion – even if it is wrong – that leads to extremism, harshness, and the spilling of blood – even if that blood was forbidden!

4 – They accuse everyone who opposes them – even if he is right – of abandoning the cause, enmity to the Jihad and the Mujahidin - all in order to turn the people away from them.

You find them involved in every debate and argument, with their chests puffed up, and their voices raised. However, when the time comes for something to be done, they turn back, look away, and run away, and it is as if the issue doesn’t concern them in the least!

5 – They utilize the methods of excitement, ranting, raising of voices, excessive zeal, and raising of the slogans of fighting and killing, in order to strike fear into the hearts of those who oppose them – all without any knowledge or insight, or consideration of the guidelines and goals of the Shari’ah. So, you see that they are unable to clearly see beyond their own noses, and this is because they do not wish to see past this!

6 – In addition to their utter ignorance, you see them – and with all boldness, lack of religious character, and humility – discussing very important and major matters of the Religion, making this permissible and that forbidden, placing this in the East and that in the West, declaring this person mistaken and that person correct, etc. And woe to you if you were to point out their mistakes, oppose them, or advise them – they would immediately make you out to be a sellout who is against Jihad and the Mujahidin, as they claim!

7 – If they look to the statements of the people of knowledge, they do not do so in order to benefit or learn from them. Rather, they wish to dig out the rare, strange, and doubtful opinions from here and there in order to strengthen and back up their rants, ignorance, falsehood, and excitability!

8 – They belittle the rights and honor of others, and they never uphold any agreement, promise, or pact. This is because they do not know what it means to have agreement or safety, nor do they know what it means to be treacherous, and what that entails of punishment.

If they dispute with you, they are vile, and if they make an agreement, they prove treacherous, and if you trust them with something, they betray you – such as in the hadith describing the traits of the hypocrites. Their manners and character are disgraceful, and are reflective of a feminine way of thinking and disputing!

9 – They belittle the slaves of Allah, especially those of them who oppose them in an issue. They look down on them with arrogance because they – as Satan beautifies for them, with their excessive ranting and raving – are the Mujahidin, and everyone else is from those who sit back, and have abandoned the cause!

10 – They do not know of something called balance and justice. They do not look for the truth from themselves or other than them…as they are always right, and everyone else is upon falsehood!

And with this, they combine the traits of rejecting the truth and belittling the Creation – and this is arrogance in its purest form!

11 - They have terrible manners, viscous tongues, assume the worst about others, and they are the farthest people from the manners of the Mujahidin and what the Jihad requires of lofty manners, knowledge, and religious character!

12 – Their share of Jihad is nothing but rant, chatter, exciting others, and belittling the Creation. They have no known past in Jihad, or presence on the battlefield!

However, the one who hears them and sees their excessive, unfounded zeal would think that they are Abu Jihad, and Abu Mujahidin! They would think that they did not leave a single arena of the arenas of Jihad except that they visited them! So, they appear to fill themselves with what they do not give and do not have within them – just like the one who wears a gown of falsehood!

13 – They know nothing of organization or structure, or hearing and obeying. So, they do not respect or refer to any elder, as the authority that they refer to is their desires, and everything that is in accordance with their desires!

14 – They only respect the scholar so long as his opinion is in accordance with their desires. If he opposes them, they do not leave a single mistake or shortcoming except that they smear him with it, and smear it with him!

If he agrees with their saying, his statement is a proof that cannot be rejected or opposed, and they fly with him to the heavens out of happiness and joy. However, if he opposes them in an issue or opinion – even if he is right – they belittle him and his knowledge, and speak about the dangers of blindly following the scholars!

And all of this takes place in the name of zeal for Jihad and aiding the Jihad, and under the claim of defending Jihad and the Mujahidin, and the Jihad and the Mujahidin are free from them and their mannerisms, just like wolf was free from the blood of Yusuf!

And the danger of this group of people – despite their lack of numbers – is manifested in that:

* They distort the manhaj of Jihad, as well as the image that the Jihad must remain upon. So, they give others a very bad and inaccurate picture of Jihad and the Mujahidin!

* With their previously described manners, they turn the people away from helping the Mujahidin, and from traversing the path of effort and Jihad! With this, they elongate the lives of these oppressive tyrants, and keep their regimes in place longer – whether they know it or not!

* This group of people is considered a major staging ground for implanting spies and agents who work for the benefit of the enemy, as the process of breaking up the Jihadi groups by way of this type of people is very easy and simple. So, as much as you insult and belittle those who oppose you, rely on the method of ranting, excitability, excessive zeal, and utilize an overwhelming manner of speech, you will be trusted and looked to…and this is extremely easy for a spy or agent to do. Many of the modern-day Jihadi groups were attacked and broken up by way of this group of people, and the examples of this are many if we were to wish to bring them all!

Therefore, my advice to my brothers – especially the Mujahidin (may Allah protect them from all evil) – is to beware of this group of people, and to not increase their numbers, and to not turn to them, and to not lend them an ear, and to not be deceived by their excessive and baseless zeal, as excess is the brother of scarcity, and extremism is the brother of laxity.

So, the times are tough, and they do not allow for us to pay too much attention to such people or their likes from the ranters and ravers…

Somali-Star wrote:according to the scholars of ahl us-sunnah the conditions for being allowed to take kuffar as allies are thus:

a) If there is a need; most said “necessity”

Definitely there is need because Sharif has no standing army to defeat the rebels.

b) No one else is able to help

There is no one to help because the rest of the world is ignoring Somalia and even the two peaceful sections of Somaliland and Puntland refuse to give him support

c) The Muslims are able to repel those Kuffâr, whose assistance was sought, from killing the defeated Muslim rebels who flee

There are 4K AMISOM troops to millions of Somalis and it if became a war between the people of Somalia and them, these guys would be defeated in seconds.

d) The rule of the Muslims is dominant over the Kuffâr

AMISOM is not an invading army nor an army with a political agenda. They have an AU mandate to provide only a secure environment for the TFG to work in Mogadishu and also supervise the security of the port and seaport. They do not control who comes or guys or business transaction, just that business is orderly.

e) That these Kuffâr are brave and able to fulfill what they are being asked to fulfill

There is no question about their bravery. Only 4K of them are in the world's failed state where no one can put together.

f) That he trusts them to not contradict his orders in how to fight the Bughât as far as attacking and pursuing those Muslim rebels (Bughât) who flee or give up.

There is no case where they interfered with the Sharif or the policies of his government.

Then at this point, if the conditions existed for the exception to be made for that general prohibition, an Islâmic state would be permitted to seek the military assistance of the Kuffâr against the Muslim rebels, although some scholars left it unrestrictedly forbidden.

Looks like Shiekh Sharif as a case.

Aniga horay uma maqlin, umana arag Sheikh Umal! Laakiin markii aan arkay cinwaankan ah "new pic of shaykh Umal", ayaan ku dhaqaaqay, in aan bal ogaado, shaqsiga laga hadlayo! Waxaan ka helay Youtube:ka Wareysi lala yeeshay, oo ku saabsan marxaladda ay hadda Somaliya ku jirto!. Ra'yigiisa ayuu si nadiif ah u dhiibtay!. Waxa ay aniga ila tahay, sababta loo aflagaadeynaayi, in ay tahay, isaga oo runta sheegay- "Runsheeg waa ceebsheeg". Reer mugdi ku noole, tooshka/karbuunada lagu ifiyay bey ka caraysanyihiin!

Waakan waraysigii:

Sheikh Cabdi Umal oo hadlaya dagaalka ka socda somalia Muqdisho
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FAH1223 wrote:

Somali-Star wrote:fat chicks really disgust me.

ever touched the a55 of a fat chick ? it's unnatural and disgusting...definitely not anything like a thin one !

i really don't understand why anyone would fall for a fat chick....it boggles the mind.

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