"Somali Army, Surrender Your Weapons To Your Jabhado...."

[Goljano Lion]

Because my clan inhabits that land. How does this help your argument, gaining other land shows I have none?

you mean they immigrated from Gedo desert?

[sadeboi]

See you lack knowledge yet you wish to continue your nac-nac..hence why you are eithier retarded or drunk!

Reer-gedo have lived in Jubbaland for a long time and except for Kismayo city Jubbada hoose has been inhabited by original Marexaan southerners aka Galti. I am reer-Cabudwaaq in Galguduud, central Somalia, so are the majority of Marexaan in Kismayo city. So know what you talking about. I told you unlike your laangaab clan my clan does not inhabit 3 triangles.

Koronto...still if he trying to poke fun at you for ogadeniya under xabashi control..at least you have ogadens fighting for their freedom..unlike the "free isaqs" who are applying to have ethiopia passport and letting them use their "liberated port city of berbera." Ogaden has the most land in all of Somali clans!

[Somaliweyn]

NoAngst,

Why do you keep calling men like M.dheere, Ali mahdi and all other undesired individuals: ''Mudulood leaders''? If you defended men like Sheikh Shariif, Cumar cadaani, and all those on the right side, I would understand your political line and would have accepted it.

But this only proves one thing: the times people could simply agree on clan terms are over, one should agree on principles and common political lines.

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[Somaliweyn]

SNM was a rebel group, unlike SSDF, they weren't fighting for power it was a treasonous group started by men who bitter that thier economy i.e the black market was shut down after Khat was banned in the country. By the time Maj.gen.Siyaad Bare left Muqdisho the SNA still controlled waqooyi I laugh at how these kids portray the weak SNM as something powerful! If Siyaad regime was the problem then why succeed, the regime is no longer there, nor was it there when you succeeded? Puntland built a similar administration and it did not succeed!

SNM was treasonous and SSDF not? It is not surprising why men like NoAngst, Sahal and others feel attacked on clan terms.

SSDF was created at a time Somalia lost a major war (1978), it was created by men who were bitter about losing their profitable corruption during the civilian government, and was the first rebel movement that gladly operated from Ethiopia and were supported by Ethiopia. In the 1980s, they were even the first Somalis that crossed into Somalia on top of Ethiopian tanks. Just like in 2007 A.Yusuf was the head of the traitors camp who entered Somali cities on top of Ethiopian tanks.

And in your world of reasoning SSDF is not treasonous but SNM are?

Another question,

Was USC a legitimate movement with the aim of ousting an oppressive dictator bent on staying to power?

Let us see if men like NoAngst, Sahal and others are not right in their accusations.

[Digital-Infidelity]

Noangst, have you thought that maybe Koronto is not looking at thing from a clan prospective, but analyzing it honestly.

Maxamed-dheere hadi aad jeceshahay that is all you, let him keep allowing ethiopians there, bombing your house, burning your markets, allowing gabre to rape you women, and all this other stuff child no one cares. But as a Somali and free thinking individual he has a right to express his views on ANY MAN! Can you not express you views on how Bush is not good for Americans?

See the problem is that very often certain members like to claim that the criminal acts of the warlords is only restricted in Mogadishu and that beyond it, the rest of Somalia is a vast oasis of warlord-free paradise of heaven. The very same laughable story-line is preached by you and your crew to the point that any criticism of warlords like Hiraale and his clan-supporters is seen as unfair and provocative, while you are free to point fingers at other peoples' follies.

Let's examine the truth: as we speak, anti-ICU/Somalia gang is regrouping in Gedo, filled with Ethiopian weapons and training, getting ready to wage a bloody war on Kismayo. Appealing to their base supporters out of clan emotions and accusing the ICU elements in Kismayo of having ulterior clan motifs. In other words, the same reasons clan agitators in Mogadishu use to remain relevant. Yet, you and your ilk never condemn your own demons, instead you are all too happy to point fingers at other peoples' criminals while you go to great lengths finding excuses for your own. When you look at things objectively, you will notice that the blame is all around so picking and choosing which ones you want to zoom in is quite futile and pathetic deceptive pretense. So, NeoAngst has every right to remind Kolombo to stop ranting about Mudulood warlords, when he has his own house on fire.

[Somaliweyn]

T-L,

Lets not make it more complicated for him

Although you are right in your argument that he nor his brother Voltage never openly and harshly criticized Hiiraale's warlord actions and his current warplanning with Ethiopians on his side, let him first answer the other question concerning SSDF, SNM and USC.

Then we can see that men like Sahal, NoAngst and others have a reason to feel attacked on clan terms.

[Voltage]

Noangst, have you thought that maybe Koronto is not looking at thing from a clan prospective, but analyzing it honestly.

Maxamed-dheere hadi aad jeceshahay that is all you, let him keep allowing ethiopians there, bombing your house, burning your markets, allowing gabre to rape you women, and all this other stuff child no one cares. But as a Somali and free thinking individual he has a right to express his views on ANY MAN! Can you not express you views on how Bush is not good for Americans?

See the problem is that very often certain members like to claim that the criminal acts of the warlords is only restricted in Mogadishu and that beyond it, the rest of Somalia is a vast oasis of warlord-free paradise of heaven. The very same laughable story-line is preached by you and your crew to the point that any criticism of warlords like Hiraale and his clan-supporters is seen as unfair and provocative, while you are free to point fingers at other peoples' follies.

Let's examine the truth: as we speak, anti-ICU/Somalia gang is regrouping in Gedo, filled with Ethiopian weapons and training, getting ready to wage a bloody war on Kismayo. Appealing to their base supporters out of clan emotions and accusing the ICU elements in Kismayo of having ulterior clan motifs. In other words, the same reasons clan agitators in Mogadishu use to remain relevant. Yet, you and your ilk never condemn your own demons, instead you are all too happy to point fingers at other peoples' criminals while you go to great lengths finding excuses for your own. When you look at things objectively, you will notice that the blame is all around so picking and choosing which ones you want to zoom in is quite futile and pathetic deceptive pretense. So, NeoAngst has every right to remind Kolombo to stop ranting about Mudulood warlords, when he has his own house on fire.

Actually if you have read anything Sadeboi wrote or the majority of opinion pieces in Marehan website or even other websites like Dayniile, then you would know both Sadeboi and majority, or almost all of Marehan writers have condemned any attempts to rise a clan insurrection aimed at Kismaayo.

I guess there goes your argument!

[Kolombo]

Koronto...still if he trying to poke fun at you for ogadeniya under xabashi control..at least you have ogadens fighting for their freedom..unlike the "free isaqs" who are applying to have ethiopia passport and letting them use their "liberated port city of berbera." Ogaden has the most land in all of Somali clans!

In their feeble minds, Ogaadeen are "homeless" choosing to purposely forget that a large majority of Ogaadeen settle in Jubbooyinka having nothing to do with Ogadenia or NFD. I don't even bother responding to some of their retarded comments.

[sadeboi]

Somaliweyn, a simple absent comma on my part lead you to believe that I believed SSDF was not a treasnous group when they were the founding fathers of treasonous in Somalia. What you should have read is:

SNM was a rebel group, unlike SSDF they weren't fighting for power, it was a treasonous group started by men

Which is true SSDF wanted to govern and rule Somalia, SNM did not!

USC? A barbaric militia high on narcotics with no vision other then to get revenge and who eventually self-destructed and ruined Muqdisho!

If the goal of the USC was to get rid of the "corrupt" Maj.Gen.Siyaad Bare and his regime, then why go on a clan hunt? What did reer-gaalkacyo, reer-beledweyn, reer-baidoa do? Why did they destroy the capital in attempts of the two different elements in it to obtain power? Why were the minorities mistreated and many people who had nothing to with the late regime attacked in barbaric way? Yet men like Cabdiqasim and many others in the government roamed free? Why did Cali Nafta shouted on the airwaves after asked what kind of aid "his government" needed "yahooy haraagi Siyaad aan ceersana...naafta rabbiya?" He needed gas in order to chase "Siyaad remnant," GAS The barbaric and immoral USC was the worst and most idiotic, the SSDF wanted to obtain power and govern with a functioning government run by them only, the SNM was created for economic gains, both are more respectable then USC's who looted, raped, killed innocent people and much more!


Twisted, first, there is no ICU, there is al-shabab in Kismayo run by majority the SAME BASE you speak of, and if the ICU was recreated, I would fully support Barre again in fighting them again. And again, Barre is not inviting Ethiopians, to kill his people, rape their women, destroy their economy, and bombard their land, he even saved Hassan Turki a long time ago. When he went to Baardheere he left there so no war will happen in his city. M.dheere is the opposite and he has worked hard to destroy his land. That is the difference.

[SahanGalbeed]

Maskaxda ayay wax ka qabaan nimankani , walle .
War SNM-tu jabhad darood ah ma ahayn !
Darood -ka ayaa jecel inu wax xukumo , anagu ma nihin darood .


"Present your case ..!" bu midi ku odhanaya ... kii kalena wuxu yidhi " mareexan writers have condemened..blablab" .. yaa?

Aqli xumo , isla han weyni iyo itaal daro marku Ilaah isku kaa daro , darood bu qofkaasi noqda


Mareexan writers -kii waxay maanta la yimadeen , SNM-tu waxa loo asaasay xorreynta bayacmushtari-ga waqooyiga Somaliya

The barbaric and immoral USC was the worst and most idiotic, the SSDF wanted to obtain power and govern with a functioning government run by them only, the SNM was created for economic gains, both are more respectable then USC's

[Somaliweyn]

Somaliweyn, a simple absent comma on my part lead you to believe that I believed SSDF was not a treasnous group when they were the founding fathers of treasonous in Somalia. What you should have read is:

the SSDF wanted to obtain power and govern with a functioning government run by them only, the SNM was created for economic gains, both are more respectable then USC's who looted, raped, killed innocent people and much more!
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A absent comma? yeah right.

About SSDF, why is it easy for you to believe that SSDF's aim was to obtain power and govern with a functioning government run by them (THEIR AIM, which was not achieved)

But dismiss USC, who's aim was to get ridd of the dictatorship rule and govern the country with a functioning democratic government like in 19601-1969. An aim which ofcourse was not achieved due to the civil war going out of control.

Also, SNM was created against the dictatorship rule.

All had admirable aims and goals, ofcourse none achieved its goal. SNM was hijacked and steered towards secession, USC was hijacked and steered towards personal enrichtment of few opportunists, while SSDF seized to function prior 1991.

So for you to associate the anarchy with USC while ignoring the admirable struggle and goal the very two indivuals (Ismaciil Jimcaale & Ali Wardhiigley) who created USC strived for is just a demonstration of your intention of distorting things according to clan terms.

Again, your arguments only reinforce the arguments of men like Sahan, NoAngst etc.

Ofcourse, objective and neutral men like Koronto are the victims of the behaviour of men like Sadeboi and co. A tragic status quo unfortunately.

[FAH1223]

Somalia has too many traitors only out for their buck. Good people have no power whatsoever.

Forget about it. The list of traitors is too long to list.

Enjoy your lives in America/Carabta/Europe other parts of Africa and the world.

[sadeboi]

If the goal of the USC was to get rid of the "corrupt" Maj.Gen.Siyaad Bare and his regime, then why go on a clan hunt? What did reer-gaalkacyo, reer-beledweyn, reer-baidoa do? Why did they destroy the capital in attempts of the two different elements in it to obtain power? Why were the minorities mistreated and many people who had nothing to with the late regime attacked in barbaric way? Yet men like Cabdiqasim and many others in the government roamed free? Why did Cali Nafta shouted on the airwaves after asked what kind of aid "his government" needed "yahooy haraagi Siyaad aan ceersana...naafta rabbiya?" He needed gas in order to chase "Siyaad remnant," GAS

Agian you did not address anything, all you got into are hypothetical, we all know this is what the USC achieved and I judged them by their actions that you have yet to refute!

USC was hijacked and steered towards personal enrichtment of few opportunists

IS THAT HOW YOU SEE THE ACTIONS OF THE USC IN THE 90'S???

Basically all their actions were good, "but by god why did they fight each other, why oh cali mahdi and ceydiid why not continue to loot, rape, kill, mass murder, starve, and do other inhumane and barbaric acts TOGETHER why must you separate??""

[GENERAL_SNM]

Koronto, your whole thread is being hyjacked and you seem to be more then happy to allow it. You see there are people who can have a debate and those are the once who are not extreme. This is crucial in any debate otherwise you will feel like your shouting. Let me give an example how do I as an Isaaq debate with a man who believes that the Dictator was the best thing to have ever happen to somalia. Sadeboi is what you would call a flag barrier for the Dictators legacy, his blind to history if it paints his hero in a bad light. The SNM will not get anything positive from him, he wont give them an inch of credit, and thats a sign of a bad loser.
But lets examine the SNM abit closer. First of all if somalia was a democracy these groups would be political parties and trying to gain power through the ballot box. But because somalia was a Dictatorship ruled by fear and might, they had to resort to violence to get their point across. We can examine the type of violence used by the SNM and those used by the Government and you will see which group was using excess violence. The Government troops resorted to bombing whole cities full of civilians, simply because they were inhibited by Isaaq people, but when the SNM had the chance to employ similar tactics, they had the ability to keep control and not seek revenge. These are facts that can be backed. Further more what ever these marexaan extremist kids want to believe....The SNM stands for Somali National Movement, you see the key word Somali and not Somaliland. Somaliland and succession came about for two reasons, one was because those in south were looking to carry on with their attitude of taking the north for granted, this was highlighted by the way they decided who will be the next president of somalia, without consulting the Isaaqs. The other reasons was alot of diplomats employed by the old government, started to employ their opportunist selfish tactics and divided the movement into to different camps whilst advancing their goals of solidifying power and control. As you know full well the idea of Somaliland was decided in the battlefield of the 'HABARWARS' and the leader of the SNM Tuur fought tooth and nail against succession, ending with him being expelled from Somaliland. Those who are controlling Somaliland currently or its infancy had nothing to do with SNM but were their enemies. They worked and fought against SNM. SNM was fair and had no intention for division, if they did they would have sorted the SOOL problem out, because they had the opportunity.

[sadeboi]

Listen Kid, I have more then asked any of you to bring forth factual and precise reason for the start and treasonous acts of SNM. What exactly did the revolutionary government do against the people who started the SNM, when did they do this? Give exact details. To just utter they were victimized is ludicrous. You expect me with my reasoning and knowledge to conform to your logic simply to make you feel comfortable because men of your kin were part of the treasonous group that is ridiculous! Present you case, what are the EXACT actions that the government took to make men start the SNM, do not be general be precise!