Big controversy regarding tax collection in libaan zone

[Sbashi]

https://www.africa.upenn.edu/eue_web/libanzon.htm


Liban zone constitutes one of the 9 units forming the structure of administration of the Ethiopian Somali National Regional State (see map), formerly known as ‘Region 5’. It is located at the south-western part of the region, which, after Oromia, is the second largest autonomous federal unit of the Federal Democratic Republic of Ethiopia. Certainly one the largest if not the biggest zone in the region, the study zone is divided into 3 districts (weredas): Liban/Filtu, Doollo Addo, and Mooyaale. The last two commonly bear the names of the largest towns in their respective districts- Doollo Addo, and Mooyaale.

Liban district is located at a frontier line between the traditional territories of the Somali and Oromo groups occupying the south western part of Ethiopia. Accordingly, local groups of both Somali and Oromo nationalities have a vested interest in the control of the relatively rich pastoral resources in the district and therefore advance opposing claims.

Ambiguities arising from its location at an ill-defined border area between rival and predominantly nomadic groups of distinct ethnic origin, is compounded by being home to three often antagonistic and large Oromo groups: Guji, Arsi and Borana. These diverse Oromo groups certainly compete for the control of Liban district, but unanimously agree its status as an Oromo constituency and administrative unit under the Borana zone, whose zonal capital and district town is Negelle.

Similarly, Liban/Filtu district is the home area of diverse Somali clans. The southern part of this socially mixed district adjoining Doollo district is an extension of Digodia territory, while the northern part starting from Xey Sufto village as far as Negelle town and its surroundings form the traditional territories of four Somali clans: Mareexaan (displaced since 1992), Gurre (dispossessed of its stocks), Ajuran and Karanle. Like their Oromo counterparts, these Somali clans consider Liban district as their land, and entertain the desire of it becoming a Somali administrative unit under Liban zone, whose zonal and district center would be Negelle town.

Liban zone has an extensive border with two neighboring countries: Somalia and Kenya. The two important district administration seats and trade centers in the zone, Doollo Addo and Mooyaale, are strategically located at important border points with Somalia and the predominantly Somali Northeastern region of Kenya respectively. As will be shown later, the border towns in Doollo and Mooyaale districts have become important gateways for the movement of goods and people. In contrast to the link with Somalia and Kenya, long-time contact between the Somali camel herding clans in the zone and the neighboring cattle rearing Borana and Arsi Oromo groups resulted in cultural exchanges but failed to create harmonious relationship between them. The policy of regionalisation along ethnic lines introduced by the transitional government further aggravated this traditional hostility between independent Somali clans and the Borana after 1992.
No comment.

What was your point exactly? You mean the displaced part? Mx was displaced in 1992 by borana and guji aided by degoodia. No way!! Who would have thought!!! Did you search for this outdated info and post this so you could tell us that? This is not even relevant to the discussion.

[zidane88]

https://www.africa.upenn.edu/eue_web/libanzon.htm


Liban zone constitutes one of the 9 units forming the structure of administration of the Ethiopian Somali National Regional State (see map), formerly known as ‘Region 5’. It is located at the south-western part of the region, which, after Oromia, is the second largest autonomous federal unit of the Federal Democratic Republic of Ethiopia. Certainly one the largest if not the biggest zone in the region, the study zone is divided into 3 districts (weredas): Liban/Filtu, Doollo Addo, and Mooyaale. The last two commonly bear the names of the largest towns in their respective districts- Doollo Addo, and Mooyaale.

Liban district is located at a frontier line between the traditional territories of the Somali and Oromo groups occupying the south western part of Ethiopia. Accordingly, local groups of both Somali and Oromo nationalities have a vested interest in the control of the relatively rich pastoral resources in the district and therefore advance opposing claims.

Ambiguities arising from its location at an ill-defined border area between rival and predominantly nomadic groups of distinct ethnic origin, is compounded by being home to three often antagonistic and large Oromo groups: Guji, Arsi and Borana. These diverse Oromo groups certainly compete for the control of Liban district, but unanimously agree its status as an Oromo constituency and administrative unit under the Borana zone, whose zonal capital and district town is Negelle.

Similarly, Liban/Filtu district is the home area of diverse Somali clans. The southern part of this socially mixed district adjoining Doollo district is an extension of Digodia territory, while the northern part starting from Xey Sufto village as far as Negelle town and its surroundings form the traditional territories of four Somali clans: Mareexaan (displaced since 1992), Gurre (dispossessed of its stocks), Ajuran and Karanle. Like their Oromo counterparts, these Somali clans consider Liban district as their land, and entertain the desire of it becoming a Somali administrative unit under Liban zone, whose zonal and district center would be Negelle town.

Liban zone has an extensive border with two neighboring countries: Somalia and Kenya. The two important district administration seats and trade centers in the zone, Doollo Addo and Mooyaale, are strategically located at important border points with Somalia and the predominantly Somali Northeastern region of Kenya respectively. As will be shown later, the border towns in Doollo and Mooyaale districts have become important gateways for the movement of goods and people. In contrast to the link with Somalia and Kenya, long-time contact between the Somali camel herding clans in the zone and the neighboring cattle rearing Borana and Arsi Oromo groups resulted in cultural exchanges but failed to create harmonious relationship between them. The policy of regionalisation along ethnic lines introduced by the transitional government further aggravated this traditional hostility between independent Somali clans and the Borana after 1992.
No comment.

What was your point exactly? You mean the displaced part? Mx was displaced in 1992 by borana and guji aided by degoodia. No way!! Who would have thought!!! Did you search for this outdated info and post this so you could tell us that? This is not even relevant to the discussion.

The reality is MX is not as relevant in Ethiopia as you're potraying it.

[Sbashi]

Zidane, reality is what is happening in the present. You can't discuss the reality today by bringing me old sources, i shouldn't even have to point this out for you. Your deduction on marehan "not being relevant" is based on outdated and false information in 2021. Do you know what that means for your entire deduction or anaylsis? It means it's all hogwash.

[zidane88]

Where is MX relevance? This is Liibaan regional head (guddoomiyaha Gobolka) a Degoodi man. Is this 1950?

[zidane88]

[Gubbet]

https://www.africa.upenn.edu/eue_web/libanzon.htm


Liban zone constitutes one of the 9 units forming the structure of administration of the Ethiopian Somali National Regional State (see map), formerly known as ‘Region 5’. It is located at the south-western part of the region, which, after Oromia, is the second largest autonomous federal unit of the Federal Democratic Republic of Ethiopia. Certainly one the largest if not the biggest zone in the region, the study zone is divided into 3 districts (weredas): Liban/Filtu, Doollo Addo, and Mooyaale. The last two commonly bear the names of the largest towns in their respective districts- Doollo Addo, and Mooyaale.

Liban district is located at a frontier line between the traditional territories of the Somali and Oromo groups occupying the south western part of Ethiopia. Accordingly, local groups of both Somali and Oromo nationalities have a vested interest in the control of the relatively rich pastoral resources in the district and therefore advance opposing claims.

Ambiguities arising from its location at an ill-defined border area between rival and predominantly nomadic groups of distinct ethnic origin, is compounded by being home to three often antagonistic and large Oromo groups: Guji, Arsi and Borana. These diverse Oromo groups certainly compete for the control of Liban district, but unanimously agree its status as an Oromo constituency and administrative unit under the Borana zone, whose zonal capital and district town is Negelle.

Similarly, Liban/Filtu district is the home area of diverse Somali clans. The southern part of this socially mixed district adjoining Doollo district is an extension of Digodia territory, while the northern part starting from Xey Sufto village as far as Negelle town and its surroundings form the traditional territories of four Somali clans: Mareexaan (displaced since 1992), Gurre (dispossessed of its stocks), Ajuran and Karanle. Like their Oromo counterparts, these Somali clans consider Liban district as their land, and entertain the desire of it becoming a Somali administrative unit under Liban zone, whose zonal and district center would be Negelle town.

Liban zone has an extensive border with two neighboring countries: Somalia and Kenya. The two important district administration seats and trade centers in the zone, Doollo Addo and Mooyaale, are strategically located at important border points with Somalia and the predominantly Somali Northeastern region of Kenya respectively. As will be shown later, the border towns in Doollo and Mooyaale districts have become important gateways for the movement of goods and people. In contrast to the link with Somalia and Kenya, long-time contact between the Somali camel herding clans in the zone and the neighboring cattle rearing Borana and Arsi Oromo groups resulted in cultural exchanges but failed to create harmonious relationship between them. The policy of regionalisation along ethnic lines introduced by the transitional government further aggravated this traditional hostility between independent Somali clans and the Borana after 1992.
No comment.

Exhibit A: Gross ignorance on the subject of Liban.

Your paper specifically disclaims;

"This socio-economic examination of Liban zone in the Ethiopian Somali National Regional State, is primarily based on field data the author collected during a 13 day study tour to the area starting 9 January 1996.

The fact you did not see that disclaimer is not is not even the display of your gross ignorance.

It is the fact that you quoted and identified "Liban District" includes "Mooyaale" and you did not see anything wrong with that in 2021 which should have caused you to check the relevance of that paper.

You know why you didn't see anything wrong?Because you did not know know any better.You are ignorant on this subject at a basic, rudimentary level.

It is like not knowing Garbahaarey is not part of Bay region in Somalia.

Here, once again, I will link the [r]most recent Ethiopian Somali Region.administrative map[/u] and this time I will highlight the area because the recurring ignorance on this subject is troubling.

Map;
https://reliefweb.int/map/ethiopia/ethi ... tober-2020

Highlight


And please, do not contest any of these facts considering if you were able to find a 1996 report, you are very well capable of finding all the recent reports in the tons of research available.

It seems the majority of interethnic conflict case studies on Ethiopia include the Marehan-Borana saga in Liban the past 12 years of Marehan consolidating their land back under administration.

[Nomand]

i have no idea why these caaghdeer kids are so butthurt about anything to do with Marehan, even going as far as denying clear facts. to the MX please just ignore them, they don't live in libaan zone and have no clue about liibaan zone you even have clowns like daahir aka teeri saying ogadeen own baardheere and Luuq AND THAT MX don't live there.

this is dheka suftu and it is better then anything ogadeen own in DDS

[Gubbet]

Tsk tsk Nomand, you don't see it do you?

I mean the irony of it should send red flags to anyone who knows anything about this.

Why---IN A TOPIC ABOUT MAREHAN (A SOMALI CLAN) TAKING THEIR LAND BACK FROM FOREIGN DISPLACEMENT AND CONTROL---- would another Somali gloat and taunt "haha, naa naa, boo boo" you were displaced in 1992!!!

I mean never mind the level of humanity to have someone display that character in any situation, but when you realize the context (just exactly what "1992" means to Marehan as a people facing existential attempted ethnic cleansing everywhere they lived then as Sbashi correctly identified even the Somali Degoodi, who we have since reconciled, were themselves with the Borana and Guji Oromo who conveniently chose to attack Marehan then in Liban)----

----and then even more when you realize the individual engaging in that gross display of reprehensible conduct is not just a Somali, but also another Darod and an Ogaadeen at that---who themselves understand what 1992 meant having had incidences such as happened in Beled-Weyne for example attacked for the same reason as Marehan at that time namely Darod clan identity as well as with the longest experience of foreign control and displacement of any Somali group----

---when you take all that into consideration the irony is so stark that at this point it is a red flag but loud that should be saying to everyone who knows the littlest thing about this issue "hey, what a minute something is not right here; there is definitely something we need to figure out because this doesn't make sense."

Now Nomand, I am going to try to pick your mind for a second?

What do you think could possibly be up to explain the conduct by that character highlighted by the very odd and extremely inappropriate, even unjustifiably resentful statement for a topic about overcoming displacement and oppression; "MRX is not relevant in Ethiopia."

Nomand, what do think explains " naa naa, boo boo, haha haa you got Displaced...in 1992".....any possible thoughts?

[Nomand]

it is very simple "JUBBALAND" which is very foolish of them because kenya won't stay forever. It is also projection because ogadeen are known to claim lands they don't settle in. for example you have ogadeen on this site claiming places like luuq/baardheere and faafaxdhuun.

you have them claiming kismaayo and buaale. do you think buaale would be under shabaab if ogadeen settled there? i don't think so. kenya liberated and fought against al shabaab for places like afmadow and dhoobley why not also buaale?. when kenya was going to kismaayo MX was liberating gedo without any assistence and MX was also liberating kismaayo but where backstabbed.

so it comes down to two things projection (because they claim lands they dont settle in) and fear (because kenya won't stay forever and ogadeen chapter in somalia will forever be closed by marehan who ironically introduced them to somalia and treated them like brothers)

[DaahirMursal]

MXs are delusional people.

Who's gonna tell them that Garre & Degodias are the majority in the Liban zone?

Let me guess, you think the 100 year old British propaganda clan map is evidence right?

I am 100% you don't even know the closest Liban district to Nageyle town ---thr district of Deka---has a Marehan D.C AND a Marehan Deputy D.C.

https://reliefweb.int/map/ethiopia/ethi ... tober-2020

Lol, having a deputy doesn't mean shit. People can be appointed to leadership within a specific area, but it doesn't mean they wholly own the land, nor does it mean that they constitute the majority within it.

For instance, an Ogaden was appointed as mayor in Gaalkacyo during the Kacaan era, does that now make it Ogaden deegan?

Also, the sources you have provided me with isn't nearly as reputable or academically prestigious as the '100 year British propaganda map' you claim.

[Gubbet]

MXs are delusional people.

Who's gonna tell them that Garre & Degodias are the majority in the Liban zone?

Let me guess, you think the 100 year old British propaganda clan map is evidence right?

I am 100% you don't even know the closest Liban district to Nageyle town ---thr district of Deka---has a Marehan D.C AND a 0Marehan Deputy D.C.

https://reliefweb.int/map/ethiopia/ethi ... tober-2020

Lol, having a deputy doesn't mean shit. People can be appointed to leadership within a specific area, but it doesn't mean they wholly own the land, nor does it mean that they constitute the majority within it.

For instance, an Ogaden was appointed as mayor in Gaalkacyo during the Kacaan era, does that now make it Ogaden deegan?

Also, the sources you have provided me with isn't nearly as reputable or academically prestigious as the '100 year British propaganda map' you claim.

I haven't even put down a single source except clear some basic geographical ignorance using a map. But no source yet--and that's on purpose.

Literally, I am going to be very, very honest.

You gave a DUMB statement.

No seriously, and I mean exactly what it says; it was a very, very, very DMB statement.

I am talking in this topic like a Marehan D.C of Caabudwaaq or Garbahaarey when it comes to Dheka Suftu and you giggle "he ehe it doesn't mean a lot if there is Ogaden deputy of Gaalkacyo."

You aren't even displaying basic intelligence to recognize the challenge I put down.

Or maybe this is just cowardice, probably.

Disprove me IS THE CHALLENGE that I have been putting down in this entire topic.

You see---this isn't archaic historical questions like "Emir Nur" in the 1500's where the person making the claim has to defend it;----this is right now as we chat information that I literally stand on as a matter of fact.

That's why I didn't give a single source YET---, because I don't feel I NEED to until someone dares to contest my word.

And you can't which is why you giggle and ask me to play your little charades.

This is MY land and I am CONTROLLING it today.

Disprove me--but I am not waiting around for you to do so.

[Gubbet]

it is very simple "JUBBALAND" which is very foolish of them because kenya won't stay forever. It is also projection because ogadeen are known to claim lands they don't settle in. for example you have ogadeen on this site claiming places like luuq/baardheere and faafaxdhuun.

you have them claiming kismaayo and buaale. do you think buaale would be under shabaab if ogadeen settled there? i don't think so. kenya liberated and fought against al shabaab for places like afmadow and dhoobley why not also buaale?. when kenya was going to kismaayo MX was liberating gedo without any assistence and MX was also liberating kismaayo but where backstabbed.

so it comes down to two things projection (because they claim lands they dont settle in) and fear (because kenya won't stay forever and ogadeen chapter in somalia will forever be closed by marehan who ironically introduced them to somalia and treated them like brothers)

It is worse than that. It is why Guhad had a complete change of reaction when he found the truth about what he actually claimed on maps.

Think again---this is not within Somalia.

1. It is land in Ethiopia.

And I will add

2. Do you know anything about the Sheekhaal story and their district of Raaso today?
3. Do you also know anything about thr Garre story and their district of Dawwa today?

You do not understand how this multiplied the angst our Ogaden brothers feel about the sleeping "Garre and Dawwa" situation on the east repeating the "Sheekhaal and Raaso" pattern.

[Nomand]

it is very simple "JUBBALAND" which is very foolish of them because kenya won't stay forever. It is also projection because ogadeen are known to claim lands they don't settle in. for example you have ogadeen on this site claiming places like luuq/baardheere and faafaxdhuun.

you have them claiming kismaayo and buaale. do you think buaale would be under shabaab if ogadeen settled there? i don't think so. kenya liberated and fought against al shabaab for places like afmadow and dhoobley why not also buaale?. when kenya was going to kismaayo MX was liberating gedo without any assistence and MX was also liberating kismaayo but where backstabbed.

so it comes down to two things projection (because they claim lands they dont settle in) and fear (because kenya won't stay forever and ogadeen chapter in somalia will forever be closed by marehan who ironically introduced them to somalia and treated them like brothers)

It is worse than that. It is why Guhad had a complete change of reaction when he found the truth about what he actually claimed on maps.

Think again---this is not within Somalia.

1. It is land in Ethiopia.

And I will add

2. Do you know anything about the Sheekhaal story and their district of Raaso today?
3. Do you also know anything about thr Garre story and their district of Dawwa today?

You do not understand how this multiplied the angst our Ogaden brothers feel about the sleeping "Garre and Dawwa" situation on the east repeating the "Sheekhaal and Raaso" pattern.

I think you are over thinking, ogadeen are simple minded. To them

MX=BAD because of jubbaland
Therefore I oppose everything MX

BTW in raaso sheekhaal where fighting reer abdulle who when karbashed blamed cagjar because he did not send liyu police to help reer cabdulle. I was listening to a guy named ayanle dhuux during those battles.

The raaso situation and dheka or libaan or even dawaa is completely different. First ogadeen are neighbours to sheekhaal and share border, while ogadeen don't settle anywhere in libaan zone and forget about dawaa kenya or even ethiopia.

Closest to dawaa ogadeen settle is south of wajiir and gaarissa. You can clearly see in this thread ogadeen saying all of liibaan belongs to degodiya or garre.

This is again nothing but fear and reaction towards jubbaland. Ogadeen are simple minded people.

[Gubbet]

So as I suspected---you don't really know the circumstances and you don't know it because hardly very, very, very few people understand these issues substantively.

Your statement about Raaso and Sheekhaal and limiting this to whatever inanities an Ogaden sub-clan says now is as surface on the issue as some of most of these people reading this topic right now and being genuinely surprised that not only does Marehan live past the border of "Gedo" but they actually and literally live to such an extent where they have and official woreda and get this---it is the Somali woreda closest to Nageyle

Like I believe to my very toes Zidane was probably truly ignorant of this matter and just got educated really believing the surface crap he was under.

And so you as well are not aware of just how many levels this is being waged.

When it comes to Ethiopia land amd anything Marehan---Ogaden don't give 2 hoots about Jubbaland issues.

There is an issue in the back of their mind that's telling them as a automatic response "cut this off right now."

1. SHEEKHAAL BEGAN RAASO ISSUES BACK IN 1999----PUT THAT IN TO CONTEXT WITH SURFACE CRAP ABOUT LIYU POLICE RIGHT NOW.

2. GARRE BEGIN DAWWA ISSUES BACK IN1999----TODAY THEY HAVE MUBARAK, HUDET, QADADUMA, AND MOOYAALE ALL IN ONE PRIZED DISTRICT.

3. SIMILARLY THE ROAD TO MAREHAN TAKING BACK DHEKA SUFTU AND THEIR LANDS IN LIBAN BEGAN IN 1999 AS WELL AND NOW LOOK THEY BUILT AN EMPIRE INFRONT OF 30 MILLION BOORAN.

I won't ask you any more questions, but I will say to you these issues are not necessarily linked to "each other."


But they "all" are linked to the Ogaden's insecurit---always just bubbling below the surface because ON THEIR EAST the sleeping "Garre and Dawwa situation" hasn't yet been awakened like the "Sheekhaal and Raaso" nightmare.

I will tie these in together after you have thought about this a bit looking at this;

[Shantabaq]

Everyone knows Libaan zone is Dagodia and Garre land, just because few mx are allowed to live there does not mean they belong there.

You Mx are should never be welcomed anywhere lest you start to grab people’ lands.

Next you will be telling us Mx live in Mandera and own Kismayo. Waa yab.