Open tribalism in Somaliland streets

[theyuusuf143]

First and foremost there is no agreement against garxajis, if any clan is capable to have multiple parties and lead the nation many times repeatedly its them. No somaliland clan have 5 electoral regions except garxajis . The closest to them are HJ we reside 4 . The system is clearly in their favour, no restrictions what so ever.

Secondly yes we can reach to full democracy in very short period, its very simple all we do is to devide clans along juffi lines, then introduce insurance system to destroy the juffi importance itself. in this way clans won't have the mobilisation capabilities to challenge the nation . We are considering to also change our system to parliamentarian system, where parties can share power some times if there is no majority winner.

This will give more power to the parliament and increase juffism in politics. Because parliamentarians are elected by their juffi. You may say how can isaaq maintain their qabiil hood if we destroy all habro. Well that's why we have the national defence forces who comes from every raas of somaliland clans.

i Fully disagree with everything you wrote. no country on earth will ever be a functioning democracy when it still has tribes. Look at western history, democracy did not come to them before there was a lot of bloodshed and not until the tribes where utterly defeated to the point where the average person in england when asked what he is will say i am English. but 1000 years ago he would named his tribe if asked the same question.

people in somalia (somaliland) are more loyal to their tribe then to their country. people support musa biixi based on tribe not based on merit or a viewpoint of how is he leading. same with cirro he supported by his clan. How different is cirro to biixi? is cirro left leaning and musa biixi rightwing?

what is cirro's political viewpoint ? i bet you there is no ideological difference between the two other then tribe and each is using his tribe to his advantage.

does cirro have a manifesto ? if cirro became president today how different would somaliland look? other then a new face what actual objectives/bills would he introduce? is he pro free education or anti? is he pro free healthcare or anti?

you won't be able to answer those questions because cirro does not lead and actual democratic party he leads a tribal movement same as musa biixi.

It's true that we have no ideological deferences. That's positive. All I care about is that major clans should not be more powerful than our government. I am HJ I don't want my clan to have the capabilities to destroy somaliland. I want them to be well organised but not strong enough against our security forces . Simple . As long as our clans are pets for the nation and animals against the external enemies I don't care.

[Isseayaanle]

Nomand,

Graxaajis must make a deal with Harti or Gudabursi tribes in order to win because HA& HJ don’t fight fairly. They used Isse against Djibouti, and they have a rotating power sharing which is identical with maxmud Saleeban who also uses foreigners such as Ethiopia against Somali clans. Also Habar awal and Jeclo also have the advantage of the so called capital Hargeysa and Berbera port and are dominated by them. Finally it’s their effort to win with any cost such as allying and selling themselves to foreigners. Telling garaxaajis to fight habar awal/Jeclo alliance is like telling Mareexan to fight hawiye in xamar or ogaaden in kismayo. Ogaden has foreigners and hawiye has population + foreigners, etc. Best thing garaxaajis can do is expel HA & HJ from their degaaans and separate from the triangle project and publicly denounce it like Tuur in 1991. Other than that, it’s the status quo for decades. And they shouldn’t fell for fake Issaqnimo while others reap the benefits. But like all things in life all clan lands will cease to exist because of the unsustanablity.

[Isseayaanle]

Graxaajis must make a deal with Harti or Gudabursi tribes in order to win because HA& HJ don’t fight fairly. They used Isse against Djibouti, and they have a rotating power sharing which is identical with maxmud Saleeban who also uses foreigners such as Ethiopia against Somali clans. Also Habar awal and Jeclo also have the advantage of the so called capital Hargeysa and Berbera port and are dominated by them. Finally it’s their effort to win with any cost such as allying and selling themselves to foreigners. Telling garaxaajis to fight habar awal/Jeclo alliance is like telling Mareexan to fight hawiye in xamar or ogaaden in kismayo. Ogaden has foreigners and hawiye has population + foreigners, etc. Best thing garaxaajis can do is expel HA & HJ from their degaaans and separate from the triangle project and publicly denounce it like Tuur in 1991. Other than that, it’s the status quo for decades. And they shouldn’t fell for fake Issaqnimo while others reap the benefits.

[Isseayaanle]

Nomand,

Graxaajis must make a deal with Harti or Gudabursi tribes in order to win because HA& HJ don’t fight fairly. They used Isse against Gudabursi and they have a rotating power sharing which is identical with maxmud Saleeban who also uses foreigners such as Ethiopia against Somali clans. Also Habar awal and Jeclo also have the advantage of the so called capital Hargeysa and Berbera port and are dominated by them. Finally it’s their effort to win with any cost such as allying and selling themselves to foreigners. Telling garaxaajis to fight habar awal/Jeclo alliance is like telling Mareexan to fight hawiye in xamar or ogaaden in kismayo. Ogaden has foreigners and hawiye has population + foreigners, etc. Best thing garaxaajis can do is expel HA & HJ from their degaaans and separate from the triangle project and publicly denounce it like Tuur in 1991. Other than that, it’s the status quo for decades. And they shouldn’t fell for fake Issaqnimo while others reap the benefits. But like all things in life all clan lands will cease to exist because of the unsustanablity.

[theyuusuf143]

Graxaajis must make a deal with Harti or Gudabursi tribes in order to win because HA& HJ don’t fight fairly. They used Isse against Djibouti, and they have a rotating power sharing which is identical with maxmud Saleeban who also uses foreigners such as Ethiopia against Somali clans. Also Habar awal and Jeclo also have the advantage of the so called capital Hargeysa and Berbera port and are dominated by them. Finally it’s their effort to win with any cost such as allying and selling themselves to foreigners. Telling garaxaajis to fight habar awal/Jeclo alliance is like telling Mareexan to fight hawiye in xamar or ogaaden in kismayo. Ogaden has foreigners and hawiye has population + foreigners, etc. Best thing garaxaajis can do is expel HA & HJ from their degaaans and separate from the triangle project and publicly denounce it like Tuur in 1991. Other than that, it’s the status quo for decades. And they shouldn’t fell for fake Issaqnimo while others reap the benefits.

No isaaq can expel an other isaaq from any of the 4 major cities in somaliland. There is nothing especial between HA and HJ, unlike other habro. Habarjeclo can team up with any one. We are open minded. We don't feel humiliated if we loose against one habar, we just team up with the other habar and fk the one in charge. It's a political game we introduced . Any one who can't play poltics can not win any conflict.

[Khalid Ali]

Alll these daroods think they know somaliland the majority xildhibaan that gave their votes to Abdurahman Tuur both for the chairman and somaliland president were habar awal habarjeclo voted no but habar awal voted yes they voted against their ina xaashi who was running back then

Back in 1955 habaryoonis their xisbiyllahnparty allied with snl branch of the habar awal



There is no conspiracy to withhold garxajis from somaliland with out garxajis somaliland cannot exist especially not in the east or in Burco garxajis live in the centre of somaliland Burco and are protecting us in the east against wasakhgalis
And they also have a huge stakeholding position in hargeisa

It’s just ciiro is a weak leader doesn’t mean a garxajis man isn’t fit to lead the nation. I very much envision that Abdikarim. Ahmed mooge might succeed muuuse biixi

Also people don’t know hy we’re dominating during the time of ina rayaale habarjeclo was back then in the cold we brought from the cold and said siilaanyo is an old man he needs to sit on the throne most nu refused and thought that siiilaanyo would get back at hy for supporting rayaale but in the seven years of siilaanyo rule hy supported siilaanyo frankly it was habar awal especially Ciise mise who opposed siilaanyo and some segments of Sacad muse so called jeegaan nothing is black and white by the way I don’t think garxajis can team up with Harti and darood garxajis are allergic to darood to be honest gadabuursi maybe darood no chance u have better luck with habarjeclo

[mahoka]

It's this bad when they don't know the huge genetic differences between themselves. How will they take it when they realize T-L208 and E-V32 Isaaqs aren't related for 50,000 years?

Darod sure do have a weird obsession with isaaq hablo groups. It’s a bit weird.

[mahoka]

Nomand,

Graxaajis must make a deal with Harti or Gudabursi tribes in order to win because HA& HJ don’t fight fairly. They used Isse against Djibouti, and they have a rotating power sharing which is identical with maxmud Saleeban who also uses foreigners such as Ethiopia against Somali clans. Also Habar awal and Jeclo also have the advantage of the so called capital Hargeysa and Berbera port and are dominated by them. Finally it’s their effort to win with any cost such as allying and selling themselves to foreigners. Telling garaxaajis to fight habar awal/Jeclo alliance is like telling Mareexan to fight hawiye in xamar or ogaaden in kismayo. Ogaden has foreigners and hawiye has population + foreigners, etc. Best thing garaxaajis can do is expel HA & HJ from their degaaans and separate from the triangle project and publicly denounce it like Tuur in 1991. Other than that, it’s the status quo for decades. And they shouldn’t fell for fake Issaqnimo while others reap the benefits. But like all things in life all clan lands will cease to exist because of the unsustanablity.

The problem with this picture is you think there is a big animosity between isaaq clans like there are huge animosities and hate between your darod. This is a big mistake on your part. You think garxajis have hate for HA like for example dhulo hate mj or how mj/mx hate each other or how og/mx hate each other. This is simply not the case.

There is a rivalry between sacad muse and habar yonis - other HA such as cm or garxajis such as ciidagale are not involved in this rivalry. This is a rivalry in business and politics.

A simple search will tell you that hj for example is now split between kulmiye and wadani, including wadani future presidential candidates such as xirsi gaab.

Harti is too tiny to make a difference and samaroon is 50/50 between kulmiye and wadani.

If wadani puts up ina mooge for example they are all but guaranteed to win the elections. Problem for wadani party is they have a unpopular leader which they can’t remove.

[Ghiklo]

It's this bad when they don't know the huge genetic differences between themselves. How will they take it when they realize T-L208 and E-V32 Isaaqs aren't related for 50,000 years?

Darod sure do have a weird obsession with isaaq hablo groups. It’s a bit weird.

Nigga what. Read the title of the thread. What I said is directly relevant.