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^ Stop the mental gymnastics brother. Hawd is the region I mentioned. No part of shilaabo is considered hawd and even if it was, waa dhul ogaden, maxaad isug qori? :lol: You are like an online mooryaan employing the "ku qabso ku qadi maysidee" philosophy. :lol:

btw what impact are you talking about? I am merely correcting you. wtf :lol:
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Mashallah Hawd my homeland, specifically buuro area, dee hadaa Hawd inoo diiden dhibmaleh :lol:

elitesomali you know Qoraxeey is OG, the actual Qoraxeey not the newly created zone named Qoraxeey which includes MX land.

Same way Doolo is OG the actual Doolo not the Doolo zone which includes MX land

sidaas hadaa ukala fahantid theres no problem.

Its like Doolo zone being named Cilaanle or Buuro zone, doesn't mean the entire zone is MX, its just name given to a administrative zone.
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eliteSomali wrote: Sat Apr 22, 2023 7:11 am ^ Stop the mental gymnastics brother. Hawd is the region I mentioned. No part of shilaabo is considered hawd and even if it was, waa dhul ogaden, maxaad isug qori? :lol: You are like an online mooryaan employing the "ku qabso ku qadi maysidee" philosophy. :lol:

btw what impact are you talking about? I am merely correcting you. wtf :lol:
Walaal, you are not an unlettered nomad and this online forum is not the bush.

What you displayed above can be termed "intentional structural ignorance."

In other words, the Somali version of a "flat earther." It is not they haven't been to school, they literally "choose" to be anti-reality.

You need to learn to 'overcome' tribal grievance controlling you to the extent even basic 'facts' and 'evidence' are made casualties of your "tribal bitterness."

Few things shock me about Somalis, but your response shocks me wallahi. You are completely in the deep end of the rabbit hole.

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Probably the second biggest irony about "Hawd" as completely misunderstood besides its actual limits is the 4 "biggest" settlements in Hawd are not even 'in' Ethiopia, but in 'Somalia.'

1. Caabudwaaq
2. Balanbale
3. Galdogob
4. Buuhoodle

Which also ironically, or rather fittingly, happen to be the 4/5 of the most richest locations of 'permanant' water sources within hundreds and hundreds of kilometers of the landscape surrounding Hawd. The 5th location is Gelaadi which happens to be in Ethiopia, of course.

In any case here is the official classification of all the livelihood zones of Ethiopia's pastoral areas by USAID. Once again, notice where "The Hawd" is;

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Hulkujir wrote: Sat Apr 22, 2023 8:20 am Mashallah Hawd my homeland, specifically buuro area, dee hadaa Hawd inoo diiden dhibmaleh :lol:

elitesomali you know Qoraxeey is OG, the actual Qoraxeey not the newly created zone named Qoraxeey which includes MX land.

Same way Doolo is OG the actual Doolo not the Doolo zone which includes MX land

sidaas hadaa ukala fahantid theres no problem.

Its like Doolo zone being named Cilaanle or Buuro zone, doesn't mean the entire zone is MX, its just name given to a administrative zone.
Buuro is why I desperately wanted to go to Caabudwaaq and even went there with the intention to "geocode."

I can't imagine the number of times I swooped down to look at satellite imagery of all of that area of Somalis and was struck by an 'oddity.'

That 'oddity' was right outside Caabudwaaq area, to the west over the border, in the actual heart of Marehan, there were gleaming "Emerald" jewels so striking they stood out singularly and distinctly in that reddish-gray landscape of hundreds and hundreds of kilometers in the heart of Somali inhabited land;

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And why did it have these clearly visible large pockets of 'islands' of 'wetlands' or areas which clearly are even possibly 'lakes' during wet season and because of so much water held can stay wet and green and even "marshy" long thereafter even through a drought or two because of the amount of water that has to be evaporated by dryness before the land loses all moisture to become "dry";
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I realized that was it. That was the secret. Marehan wasn't where he is by 'chance' or 'mistake.' Historically even, he must have been even more powerful among Somalis to singularly have taken the single most important heart of the central plateau grazing land which was the single most important grazing center of the Somali people who are primarily nomadic pastoralists.It wasn't a mistake or luck. It was conquest and domination in the evolutionary fights of the past for jokeying to take best grazing lands and permanent wells;

Before I had even gone on my trip, I started to learn and understand with purpose the history of settlement and population movement in the central plateau. I started to allude to some of what I was learning in snippets like here;
BUT MY FRIEND, THE WATERSHED HAS CUMULATIVE EFFECT...AND THE SHABELLE BASIN RESULTS IN PROVIDING FURTHER MOISTURE WHICH INCREASES PRECIPITATION PICKED UP BY THE CLOSED BASINS.

The closed basins are places like the Bur Region of Burgeesoole/Raqo/Golweyn/Gumburu directly across from Caabudwaaq in Ethiopia.

People don't even know the reason the Hawd was the "Marehan Desert" or "Waterloss Desert" is because of this reason
---When Jilaal, everyone has to leave the Hawd and go back to their permenant wells. Only Marehan is really left and Harti at Galaadi because those are the two most important closed basins who even jn Jilaal can feed although under stress

----When Gu comes, the Shabelle Basin stretches as far as can and FEEDS THE CLOSED BASIN ESPECIALLY AT BUR REGION
---Precipitation swells in the high altitude at Burgeesoole and FEEDS THE DESPERATE DRY AIR OVER Wardheer, Caabudwaaq, Dhuusamareeb to Gaalkacyo
----Then the further feeds the other big closed basin at Galaadi to keep the relay going

North.https://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=401101
The more I learned the more my mind literally "exploded" at how singularly significant Marehan settlement in the heart of Somali country was. All those historical maps and his placement in the center, even the migration to the south and the "resources" and "ability" to have done so. I started to learn the geography and geomorphology and even share this---although very clearly I 'knew' a layman couldn't understand just the complete significance of what I was sharing like this post below:

[Keep in mind even then I had put pins on all those Marehan settlements which at that time I did not know, but later would guide me in a structured geocoding on the land]
All of above is like the moment at pre-history after this post.

Just go to Google maps and spend some time running through the land.

1. The single most livable place is Raqo. Raqo is where Golweyn and Burgeesoole are. It literally is shocking to me how singularly important Raqo is. It is called "Buuro", tje heart of Marehan country on the Caabudwaaq side of the border.

2. It has the only grazing, permanent water, climate, and the only settlememts in "Wardheer"/"Doolo" seems to be there. As a matter of facts the wells of Wardheer are all temporary amd seasonal. Cilaanle in Raqo is the last permanent well.

3. There is nothing to Wardheer or Dollo outside of Raqo. Matter of fact, Caabudwaaq is bigger than Dhusamareb, Cadaado, Galaadi, and Wardheer combined. It shocks me but BALANBALE is bigger than Shilabo, Qoroxeey, and Hobyo combined.

If you don't believe me just go to Google Maps and spemd some time there.

Start with Raqo; you will start to understand Marehan MUST have been the "MOST" powerful Somali clan above the Shabelle River (which no Somali nomad historically settled because of the Tsetse fly) to take Raqo.

Here is my mapping of Marehan, I am just showing you where Marehan's Bur region is

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I circled Bur region right outside Caabudwaaq going West.

Burgeesoole -Raqo-Golweyn

Just go to google maps and zoom down, then look at ALL OF MUDUG AND ALL OF DDSI UNTIL far east headed towards Harar.

Wallahi it goes from no tree/Mars to all of a sudden Entering the Land of Narnia, forests, EXPANSIVE forests, wadis/valleys, extensive grazing, pools and pools of ponds and durr.

Except Marehan is taking their camels UP.

It is the greatest protected ranging land God created in the Somali desert.

It is not even a secret, it is well known, but there is absolutely nothing anyone could have done about it, because Marehan doesn't even trek OUT, they trek UP.

What shocked me beyond believe was the first time I observed it on Google earth couple years ago, that's when I started to understand the story of Marehan and his place in Somali history.

I never shared it because I didn't want to seem like I was politicizing Somali nomadic misfortune, but I am at the point where any information/knowledge censored is a crime against humanity.

Go and look through Google Earth. I am sure at least you won't waste time with pointleas trolling like this topic.

I had circled Bur Region or Buuro main outcrops even then still not completely knowing their significance as I now know.

In this topic, Elite wants to claim the name "Hawd" and so does Sky, one through coopting of colonial lines which puts Hawd in Ethiopia (and therefore "his" because he is Ethiopia amusingly) and one through implication of colonial upheaval which put him as the reference for a powerful one (and therefore his because he is the British Empire amusingly), but the salient importance is the inverse ironically enough;

-Buuro is still singularly Marehan, 80 years after official Ethiopian control with 0, absolutely 0 Marehan recognition to Ethiopia

-Buuro is where the two most singular events in the "Hawd" happened during "Guba" wherein the significance was in fact "Marehan."

1. Buuro was where the Said fled to and took refuge with Marehan to then do the battle of Gumburu between Gelaadi and Wardheer, the single worst British military defeat in East Africa

2. Buuro is also where "Rigaax" the main Isaaq antagonist in Guba was killed going not southwest to Ceel Ogaden after overrunning Makaahiil from Daroor to Warder, but instead going southeast to conquer Buuro for Isaaq but which he was to end up dying in because Buuro could never be conquered belonging to Marehan for a reason.

Buuro does not have a large name which is a reflection of the fact it is not contested and it could never be contested because of how singularly Marehan internalizes its value and defense. The entire clan will perish before losing Buuro which means anyone who gets near it will be absolutely, totally 'focking' annihilated.

Hawd, Guba, heblaayo, they are all meaningless. There is a grazing plateau desired by Somali pastoralists and within it, whatever you call it, there is a heart called Buuro which is the Emerald and there area crusted diamonds surrounding it the biggest of which are, Galaadi and Buuhoodle and Galdogob and Caabudwaaq and Balanbale and there are important silver stones surrounding them like Shilabo, Wardheer and Walaal, but in that center the green, glittering Emerald jewels hugging the center are the 11 hills outcrop called "Buuro" by the people who singularly have controlled it's equity, the people called "Rer Caabudwaaq."

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Hawd just means covered land or forest, it isn't the name of a region its more of a description, I have no attachment to it, we do call the area Hawd but the real name for the MX inhabited regions are Ceel Cadde, Buuro and Ceelgaab, they are the traditional names, Doolo is that small strip north immediately north of Buuro and Ceelcadde, wax Hawd la yirahdo meesan jirin its descriptive. every area has its own unique names. I saw this Idagelle girl lambasting Cagdheer for excluding MX from this "Hawd, Doolo and Qoraxeey" thing, I have zero attachments to this, Qoraxeey is a tuulo right outside Qabridahar while Doolo is couple of wells around Wardheer village.

War waxaas oo dhan MX baa ka ahay, I have my own shit and its written in stone, documented, and well understood, qofna kama gadiye, qofna iskuma qorqoriye.

Everyone has an agenda, Cagdheer has his agenda, Isaaq has his agenda, aniga my agenda is seperation, my agenda is Buuro a exclusive MX area that is well documented in history, and I want to seperate from Doolo administrative zone, so I actually don't mind what these iidoor are saying.
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Hulkujir wrote: Sat Apr 22, 2023 6:54 pm Hawd just means covered land or forest, it isn't the name of a region its more of a description, I have no attachment to it, we do call the area Hawd but the real name for the MX inhabited regions are Ceel Cadde, Buuro and Ceelgaab, they are the traditional names, Doolo is that small strip north immediately north of Buuro and Ceelcadde, wax Hawd la yirahdo meesan jirin its descriptive. every area has its own unique names. I saw this Idagelle girl lambasting Cagdheer for excluding MX from this "Hawd, Doolo and Qoraxeey" thing, I have zero attachments to this, Qoraxeey is a tuulo right outside Qabridahar while Doolo is couple of wells around Wardheer village.

War waxaas oo dhan MX baa ka ahay, I have my own shit and its written in stone, documented, and well understood, qofna kama gadiye, qofna iskuma qorqoriye.

Everyone has an agenda, Cagdheer has his agenda, Isaaq has his agenda, aniga my agenda is seperation, my agenda is Buuro a exclusive MX area that is well documented in history, and I want to seperate from Doolo administrative zone, so I actually don't mind what these iidoor are saying.
Hear, hear.

Look at Elite claim the name "Shilaabo" because of "Ethiopia" implicated post-colonial lines which had nothing to do with him, does not concern him, and was not even his business in this long-standing issue between "Marehan" and "Ethiopia."

Has he ever been in Fadhigaraadle? Has his clan any history or even basic relevance to Fadhigaraadle? Is he or they in it today?

No, no, no.

The historical name Shilaabo pre-European colonialism isn't even his, but you know what---take it. Keep the name "Shilabo."

He is still not in Fadhigaraadle or relevant to it or even deserving to be mentioned let alone imposing himself in anything to do with it.

It is exactly as you mentioned with "Doh" and "Doollo" which I relayed here before;
I participated in this forum myself as a Marehan and for 99% of my entire membership in this very forum, I logged in and found "nothing" that spectacularly wrong with Guhad122 writings and statements on this land until I walked on my own two feet and saw hundreds of kms of this land probably with no picture or video ever taken of it but in which you could not find a single human that was not Marehan except for spouses or relatives of the Marehan in the land.

Guhad122's "7 wells of Doollo" pitch was a regurgitated reference for a very, very, very clever reason. It was a predatory marketing scheme that transplanted Marehan ownership of 95% of the territory East of the road between Shilabo and Warder settlements and subscribed it to Makaahiil who were in 5% of that territory.

For you see the "7 wells of Doollo," i.e. "Doollo Region", is merely a "locality" of some small distance linearly on the road between Warder and Shilabo settlements.

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Imagine the distance between Warder and Qabri Dahar settlements is the same distance between Caabudwaaq and Warder settlements. Between Warder-Qabri Dahar, Makaahiil shares that with practically the bulk of Rer Abdille, yet btw Caabudwaaq-Warder is almost entirely Marehan.

Imagine the distance between Warder and Shilabo settlements is the same distance between Saaxo and Warder. Between Warder-Shilabo, Makaahiil shares that with practically all of Bah Geri, yet btw Saaxo-Warder is almost entirely Marehan.

Guhad122 with his "7 Wells of Doollo" regurgitated whipped out like a Nazi Pass one's life depended on everytime Marehan equity was brought up in eastern Somali Region was the manipulative, but ingenious cold, calculating strategy of an evil genius. And he didn't even come up with it---they all respond that way which shows it was a strategy that was formed, designed, and handed to them.

Which is why following my geocoding experience in that land walking on it with my own two feet I declared war against"Doh" and "Doollo" predatory marketing schemes.

The land ain't "Doh" and "Doollo."

The land is "Buuro" and after a century, it is being said again.


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From D'abbadie in 1873 and his map of Bur Region w/ the wells of Bur he mentioned then as

-Ellale
-Rako
-Guluwin
-Abta alle

Still called BUURO by Marehan who are its only inhabitants with the wells identified by D'abbadie today still called

-Cilaanle
-Raqo
-Golwayn
-Cabda Caale
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Elite, keep your coopted "names."

Marehan is in "Buuro."

You have never been in Buuro in your entire history and you are not in Buuro today.
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Hulkujir wrote: Sat Apr 22, 2023 8:20 am Mashallah Hawd my homeland, specifically buuro area, dee hadaa Hawd inoo diiden dhibmaleh :lol:

elitesomali you know Qoraxeey is OG, the actual Qoraxeey not the newly created zone named Qoraxeey which includes MX land.

Same way Doolo is OG the actual Doolo not the Doolo zone which includes MX land

sidaas hadaa ukala fahantid theres no problem.

Its like Doolo zone being named Cilaanle or Buuro zone, doesn't mean the entire zone is MX, its just name given to a administrative zone.
Bro I am not jaahil, I would never deny you lands that belong to you. However, if I see false narratives being peddled here, intentionally or otherwise, I'll correct it. I have not once said your clan doesn't live in Somali Ogaden, maxay tahay this complex yall seem to carry? :lol:
it's not good look.
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Gubbet wrote: Sat Apr 22, 2023 1:40 pm
eliteSomali wrote: Sat Apr 22, 2023 7:11 am ^ Stop the mental gymnastics brother. Hawd is the region I mentioned. No part of shilaabo is considered hawd and even if it was, waa dhul ogaden, maxaad isug qori? :lol: You are like an online mooryaan employing the "ku qabso ku qadi maysidee" philosophy. :lol:

btw what impact are you talking about? I am merely correcting you. wtf :lol:
Walaal, you are not an unlettered nomad and this online forum is not the bush.

What you displayed above can be termed "intentional structural ignorance."

In other words, the Somali version of a "flat earther." It is not they haven't been to school, they literally "choose" to be anti-reality.

You need to learn to 'overcome' tribal grievance controlling you to the extent even basic 'facts' and 'evidence' are made casualties of your "tribal bitterness."

Few things shock me about Somalis, but your response shocks me wallahi. You are completely in the deep end of the rabbit hole.

Acuudi billahi minal shaydaani rajiim. Xashunalaah wa nicmal wakiil.
No clan hatred from me. I once drove 600kms in galbeed, seeing nothing but Ogaden tribes the entire time. I literally have no reason to harbor cuqdad and hate on anyone. It's usually the other way around. People hate on me because it seems my adeers have done a number on many Somali clans. :lol: I'll apologize on their behalf. Please do not hate on all of us for what those guys have done.
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Gubbet wrote: Sat Apr 22, 2023 2:47 pm Probably the second biggest irony about "Hawd" as completely misunderstood besides its actual limits is the 4 "biggest" settlements in Hawd are not even 'in' Ethiopia, but in 'Somalia.'

1. Caabudwaaq
2. Balanbale
3. Galdogob
4. Buuhoodle

Which also ironically, or rather fittingly, happen to be the 4/5 of the most richest locations of 'permanant' water sources within hundreds and hundreds of kilometers of the landscape surrounding Hawd. The 5th location is Gelaadi which happens to be in Ethiopia, of course.

In any case here is the official classification of all the livelihood zones of Ethiopia's pastoral areas by USAID. Once again, notice where "The Hawd" is;

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Elite, do you see that map by Antoine D'abbaddie from 1873?

We are in every single one of those named places---today. Every single one. They were Marehan wells in 1873 before colonialism and they are Marehan-only wells today in 2023.

Whatever 'anyone' has attempted to do against Marehan has failed---since we are singularly still the only people in those named locations.

What we would like you to do----is stop 'claiming' another man's "home" and even being "emotionally invested" in that indecent transgression.

You are not "Ethiopia."

In fact, we are both victims of colonialism and imperialism.

But in this circumstance, we have been victimized "differently."

I have been denied "legal recognition" to "my home" in which I have both historical birthright as well as "continuing" residency.

You have been a "tool/instrument/mechanism" to deny me that "legal recognition" as a divide and conquer strategy to control and contain that circumstance against the "both" of us.

You are not the "subject," you are the "predicate."

Stop being a "crab in the bucket" to me whether you consider me your brother or even just another random human being.

Fadhigaradle is "my" home. Cilaanle is "my" home. Yamaaruglay is "my" home.

It was my home in 1873.

It is still my home whose roof only I sleep under today in 2023.


I want you to stop "claiming" my "home" and even improperly and inappropriately even being 'emotionally invested' in my considerations for fixing the injustice against 'me' concerning 'my' home.

That's all.
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eliteSomali wrote: Sun Apr 23, 2023 4:32 am
Hulkujir wrote: Sat Apr 22, 2023 8:20 am Mashallah Hawd my homeland, specifically buuro area, dee hadaa Hawd inoo diiden dhibmaleh :lol:

elitesomali you know Qoraxeey is OG, the actual Qoraxeey not the newly created zone named Qoraxeey which includes MX land.

Same way Doolo is OG the actual Doolo not the Doolo zone which includes MX land

sidaas hadaa ukala fahantid theres no problem.

Its like Doolo zone being named Cilaanle or Buuro zone, doesn't mean the entire zone is MX, its just name given to a administrative zone.
Bro I am not jaahil, I would never deny you lands that belong to you. However, if I see false narratives being peddled here, intentionally or otherwise, I'll correct it. I have not once said your clan doesn't live in Somali Ogaden, maxay tahay this complex yall seem to carry? :lol:
it's not good look.
War I will be the first to say Doolo waxaa iska leh Ogaden, xitaa Hartiga shuqul kuma laha iskaba daa Iidoor, hasa ahaate ceelasha Doolo its a small strip of land north of us, and Doolo zone renamed from Warder zone is a massive land the largest administrative zone in DDS and perhaps all of Ethiopia, dee dhulkaas baxaada leh waa wada OG kaama yeeliye.

Infact maba la isku qabsan wiligeed, Sayidka iyo Darwiish ma ahane cid kale oo inagu qabsatay meesan jirin, up until Mahbar days 80s.

Adiga Rer Cabdille baa tahay you don't know anything about this Doolo waa hore lagaa ceriye oo nimanka isaaq baa idin cerysade, xitaa qoraxeey aad magaalo madax u tahay you don't know its largest Woreda Shilaabo because maba degtid oo Ogaden waxaa ka dego Bah Geri iyo Makahil labadoodna waxee la degan MX!
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Hulkujir wrote: Sun Apr 23, 2023 7:06 am
eliteSomali wrote: Sun Apr 23, 2023 4:32 am
Hulkujir wrote: Sat Apr 22, 2023 8:20 am Mashallah Hawd my homeland, specifically buuro area, dee hadaa Hawd inoo diiden dhibmaleh :lol:

elitesomali you know Qoraxeey is OG, the actual Qoraxeey not the newly created zone named Qoraxeey which includes MX land.

Same way Doolo is OG the actual Doolo not the Doolo zone which includes MX land

sidaas hadaa ukala fahantid theres no problem.

Its like Doolo zone being named Cilaanle or Buuro zone, doesn't mean the entire zone is MX, its just name given to a administrative zone.
Bro I am not jaahil, I would never deny you lands that belong to you. However, if I see false narratives being peddled here, intentionally or otherwise, I'll correct it. I have not once said your clan doesn't live in Somali Ogaden, maxay tahay this complex yall seem to carry? :lol:
it's not good look.
War I will be the first to say Doolo waxaa iska leh Ogaden, xitaa Hartiga shuqul kuma laha iskaba daa Iidoor, hasa ahaate ceelasha Doolo its a small strip of land north of us, and Doolo zone renamed from Warder zone is a massive land the largest administrative zone in DDS and perhaps all of Ethiopia, dee dhulkaas baxaada leh waa wada OG kaama yeeliye.

Infact maba la isku qabsan wiligeed, Sayidka iyo Darwiish ma ahane cid kale oo inagu qabsatay meesan jirin, up until Mahbar days 80s.

Adiga Rer Cabdille baa tahay you don't know anything about this Doolo waa hore lagaa ceriye oo nimanka isaaq baa idin cerysade, xitaa qoraxeey aad magaalo madax u tahay you don't know its largest Woreda Shilaabo because maba degtid oo Ogaden waxaa ka dego Bah Geri iyo Makahil labadoodna waxee la degan MX!
I know OG lands quite well, and I happen to know the land in a general sense. I can tell you who lives here except for small tuulos.
I have mentioned already that isn't shocking that MX lives in the areas you mentioned because they live on the other side of the border. That's literally the case everywhere. What I will not except is for gubbet and others to claim shilaabo as a marehan deegaan when the mayor, deputy mayor, and all three xildhiban from that district is all Ogaden. I have repeatedly said if you want to know who owns where, you look at the representation. Stop this major complex yall got. Dhulkiina dhista, cid idinku haysataa majirto, cid idinku qabsan kartaana majirto mana jiri doonto. When I see the likes of Gubbet and others claiming lands that they do not even make up 5%, I feel bad for them. It makes him look like nin ciilan, nin laangaab ah, nin dhul aan haysan etc..., something which is not a good look for you guys.
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eliteSomali wrote: Sun Apr 23, 2023 7:19 am
Hulkujir wrote: Sun Apr 23, 2023 7:06 am
eliteSomali wrote: Sun Apr 23, 2023 4:32 am

Bro I am not jaahil, I would never deny you lands that belong to you. However, if I see false narratives being peddled here, intentionally or otherwise, I'll correct it. I have not once said your clan doesn't live in Somali Ogaden, maxay tahay this complex yall seem to carry? :lol:
it's not good look.
War I will be the first to say Doolo waxaa iska leh Ogaden, xitaa Hartiga shuqul kuma laha iskaba daa Iidoor, hasa ahaate ceelasha Doolo its a small strip of land north of us, and Doolo zone renamed from Warder zone is a massive land the largest administrative zone in DDS and perhaps all of Ethiopia, dee dhulkaas baxaada leh waa wada OG kaama yeeliye.

Infact maba la isku qabsan wiligeed, Sayidka iyo Darwiish ma ahane cid kale oo inagu qabsatay meesan jirin, up until Mahbar days 80s.

Adiga Rer Cabdille baa tahay you don't know anything about this Doolo waa hore lagaa ceriye oo nimanka isaaq baa idin cerysade, xitaa qoraxeey aad magaalo madax u tahay you don't know its largest Woreda Shilaabo because maba degtid oo Ogaden waxaa ka dego Bah Geri iyo Makahil labadoodna waxee la degan MX!
I know OG lands quite well, and I happen to know the land in a general sense. I can tell you who lives here except for small tuulos.
I have mentioned already that isn't shocking that MX lives in the areas you mentioned because they live on the other side of the border. That's literally the case everywhere. What I will not except is for gubbet and others to claim shilaabo as a marehan deegaan when the mayor, deputy mayor, and all three xildhiban from that district is all Ogaden. I have repeatedly said if you want to know who owns where, you look at the representation. Stop this major complex yall got. Dhulkiina dhista, cid idinku haysataa majirto, cid idinku qabsan kartaana majirto mana jiri doonto. When I see the likes of Gubbet and others claiming lands that they do not even make up 5%, I feel bad for them. It makes him look like nin ciilan, nin laangaab ah, nin dhul aan haysan etc..., something which is not a good look for you guys.
qof deegaanka garanayo siyaasiga ma fiiriyo, listen Qabridahar waxaa gudomiye ka ha nin Rer Yuusuf MX ah, but Qabridahar waa deegaan Rer Cabdille gaar ahaan Rer Warfa OG, xilka ku fadhiyo ninka MX waa laga xayuubin kara, balse Rer Warfa cid kale oo ka qaadi karto deegaankod ma jiro.
Its the same with Shilaabo, waa deegaan MX, ciduu rabo ha noqdo Gudomiye, awalba waxaa ka ahaa Harti, kaale sheeg ma Harti ba degan Shilaabo.

adeer OG waa tolkay Daroodna wee iiga xigaan markaan dhiiga iyo DNA ka hadlayo, I know the deegaan better than you xitaa dhinaca OG, you are stumbling and look lost, waxaa tahay baa sheki iiga jiro, maybe you are not even OG. :lol:
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eliteSomali wrote: Sun Apr 23, 2023 7:19 amWhat I will not except is for gubbet and others to claim shilaabo as a marehan deegaan when the mayor, deputy mayor, and all three xildhiban from that district is all Ogaden. I have repeatedly said if you want to know who owns where, you look at the representation. Stop this major complex yall got. Dhulkiina dhista, cid idinku haysataa majirto, cid idinku qabsan kartaana majirto mana jiri doonto. When I see the likes of Gubbet and others claiming lands that they do not even make up 5%, I feel bad for them. It makes him look like nin ciilan, nin laangaab ah, nin dhul aan haysan etc..., something which is not a good look for you guys.
I feel sorry for you.

Because I am not speaking to you any longer, I am going to speak to the readers.

The man who is talking like that feeds off of misinformation, ignorance, and darkness, lack of clarity he takes advantage of because when someone see this map;

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He knows it is not immediately clear that really the most imporant feature--in fact, the single most important line is invisible. The line separating him as "Ogaden clan" vs "Marehan clan" in terms of ownership, residency, and even 100% of the inhabitants;

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The man who is talking like that knows every single settlement on that map within the white boundary except for "Geladi" and "Dudub" on the northern periphery where minority communities of Marehan settle with Majerteen and Layl Kase---every single other settlement on that map past the Ethiopian border up to the white line forming the clan boundary between "Ogaden clan" and "Marehan clan" is 100% settled "exclusively" by Marehan.

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That's his "Shilabo" and "Doollo" used as coopted words, he is not past 5 km of the road connecting Warder and Shilabo settlements, yet he wants to wrap his desire to claim another man's home using occupied style coopted maladministration extending "Shilaabo" and "Doollo" administrative "names" 100 kms deep in "exclusively Marehan clan territory.

When you are implicated in "xaaraan," like incurable thirst for another man's property, you will never overcome rotten bitterness.

This is a display of how rotten man's fragility and weakness to greed, insecurity, resentment, and pure spite can be---when he even intentionally perverts the truth hoping to appeal to other's ignorance.

Alxamdulilah that this greed and lust for xaaraam is still only manifesting itself in "claims" 140 years after imperialism instituted boundaries.

For that I thank my Lord who gave my people the drive, fortitude, and independence of spirit to still be the only owner under his room regardless of the transgressor's lust from yonder.

Glory Belongs To My Lord.
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