Qoorqoor has acted swiftly. Galmudug displays warrant for 5 suspects & then attacked them seizing 1/2 teknikos.

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Re: Qoorqoor has acted swiftly. Galmudug displays warrant for 5 suspects & then attacked them seizing 1/2 teknikos.

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All of it---this inexplicably ironic, viciously senseless violence---between Marehan and Habar Gidir has very clear explanation when every thing is taken into consideration.

Direction
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The direction is always east to west and from Habar Gidir to Marehan. It is never Marehan going west to east towards Habar Gidir. You will never see Marehan building birkas (berked/water catchment) towards Bandiiraadley or Cadaado or Guriceel. You will also not see Marehan livestock or camels and goats being freed east of Bangeelle limits to graze. This is an environmental feature that explains both why it is never Marehan going east and why HG is always going west towards Marehan. Hawd grazing stops at Caabudwaaq metro limits. At the point of the highway, a totally new environment begins which is less advantageous for camel grazing. If the environmental features were less lopsided on this, you would find Marehan going east which would be an even deadier set of circumstances as this would be a dual instigation of conflict as opposed to only one side as it is now.

Family

In particular it is never really all of Habar Gidir, even all of the ones directly neighboring Marehan, who are all equally motivated in pushing or even "rushing" west, in fact even inexplicably senselessly one thinks. There are 3 lineages from Habar Gidir who have intermarried heavily with Marehan and even popular oral history of those lineages self-identify each one of their maternal origins being from Marehan. Caydiid 's lineage from Sacad or the Cilmi Wardheere of Rer Jalaf, Mahad Salaad's lineage of Reer Ayaanle within Cayr, and Qoorqoor's lineage of Reer Muuse of Saleebaan. Each of their clan's oral history featurea Marehan maternal origins and they have historically heavily married into Marehan. Many of their lower level units even have at one time or another "lived with" or have been "hosted" for an extended period of time or another with Marehan.

Abandonment

The story I relayed about the 1st accused does not surprise me. I said it is the history of the Somali people for a reason. I am paternally from Balanbale. It is the same thing with Rer Ayaanle and Marehan in Balanbale as it is with the Rer Muuse of Saleebaan in this act and Wagardhac. In fact, the most unyielding, almost psychologically frenzied push no matter how rationally improbable is always emanating from the Rer Ayanle or the Rer Muuse or the Cilmi Wardheere who is the most recently most intimately related to Marehan---the one with the most recent history or memories of free access to Marehan, free privilege to Marehan grazing, protection status as binding as a Marehan walking among Marehan.

My mother's 2nd cousin on that warrant had a father and a grandfather, who were both sons of and husbands of Wagardhac, who, at a different era before things really fell apart, had the privilege to graze Qoolaaley and Qorof and Dacdheer and even Maganlo let alone Labagale and Bali Cad and even Dhabad----and he has never been able to step foot on parts (if not the biggest part) of his heritage the past 40+ years.

He has been fighting all his life to "regain" what he feels was "lost" to him.

I do not imagine, at all, that this was his first participation in blood spilling between Saleebaan and Wagardhac.
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Re: Qoorqoor has acted swiftly. Galmudug displays warrant for 5 suspects & then attacked them seizing 1/2 teknikos.

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Allaw iimaanka noo sug.

2 of the accused who also happened to be clearly brothers;

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Are fathers of these two children who were killed last winter;



Siciid Shariif Hassan, 10.
Abdinur Ahmed Hassan, 9.


An unconscionable occurrence I noted then;
Re: I condemn in the strongest possible terms the killing of 2 HG youths allegedly by MX.

Per the Wagardhac and Saleebaan peace agreement---given the extent of drought and humanitarian situation, Saleebaan were given blanket amnesty and permission to cross the highway and graze up to Dacdheer for "diirad raac" purposes.

Diirad raac like "dhaan" (going far for water) are tools to respond to serious drought/famine when Somali neighbors help each other as insurance against hard times.

Diirad raac is permission to graze wherever there is available grazing in the landscape irrespective of "clan zone" with the understanding everyone goes back to their own zones when the pressure lets up or rains come.

Well---

1. Saleebaan killed a young Wagardhac man.

2. Wagardhac immediately responded with revenge killing.

For two weeks, this issue has been controlled by both elders who were trying to overcome the attacks on the peace agreement.

3. Last night---two young Saleebaan boys were taken out of a diirad raac ood and killed in a "dil wadareed" style allegedly by Wagardhac. This killing evokes the killing by Rer Guriceel of two Rer Balanbale boys taken out of a transportation van last year. The killing of the two young, innocent Saleebaan boys is gruesome. I condemn it, I condemn it, I condemn it. I condemn it in every possible way the animalistic cruelty, the gross inhumanity, the rot deep in the Somali moral and ethical deficiency that subjected those two innocent, young boys last night to that unimaginable cruelty.

I ask Allah (SWT) to give comfort and solace to their families in this truly unspeakable moment of great pain and anguish.

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Re: Qoorqoor has acted swiftly. Galmudug displays warrant for 5 suspects & then attacked them seizing 1/2 teknikos.

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Gubbet wrote: Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:52 pm Nomand,

The views you stated are counter productive and not conducive for justice walaal. I want justice as much for these murdered children as anyone else out there with the exception of their families and loved ones and I, myself, feel you bar for justice is unjust itself.

The 5 soldiers were killed by Cayr who have their own separate and contextually disparate cycle of revenge with a different group of Marehan. Even the cycle of revenge between Wagardhac and Sacad is separate and contextually disparate to the context between Wagardhac and Saleebaan.

Wagardhac and Saleebaan have established a different trajectory. It is vicious, destructive and full of enmity as this case proves but they have started an actual process that is still in experiment.

Ooorqoor himself is Saleebaan, with a level of power, authority, and even legitimacy to exercise a distinct set of prerogatives that are beyond his entitlement outside of Saleebaan.

He cannot be judged for entitlement he did not possess.

Conversely a non-Saleebaan Galmudug head in this timeframe would not be with the entitlement Qoorqoor possesses thus.

Finally, Nomand, they do not need to be turned over to Wagardhac.

This is not a "civil damages" or "compensation" matter governed by Xeer customary law requiring restitution or, in its failure, retribution.

This is a "law and order" or "policing" matter governed by a superior authority requiring corrections, or in lieu of it, remediation.

The use of 3rd party owned vehicles, manpower, and agency for enforcing attempt at accountability is IPSO FACTO IPSO JURE (by the fact itself by law) "superior authority" burdening the enforcement of peace unto itself in their favor (the victims)

The suspects cannot be "turned over" to a party in a criminal adjudication; they are captured for, prosecuted for, and, if sentenced, punished for all of society as the crime against a member of a member of society was a crime against the society in total.

In short walaaloow----and do not begrudge me for this----you escaped that hell and Alhamdulilah that you did----

----but for those that have not, defer to anything and everything that might contain even the smallest, tiniest possibility or capability of just lessening or decreasing the burning heat or temperature of that raging inferno if not for those that have succumbed then for those that have to live.

These are commendable steps and I am suspending judgement until the process displays further lack of continuance whether that is because of successful outcome or aborted possibility.
At this point, I will resume judgement as it is very clearly obvious from this point onwards, this will be another case of aborted possibility---a 100% out of 100% track record/pattern.

The only thing to wait for after this point is "when" the Wagardhac relatives of those murdered children exact "revenge" through retribution and "how many" Saleebaan children end up being murdered.

What was it; 5 children for the last 2? So 3 + 5---it will be 8 children in the next reprisal?

Or 5 is 250% of 2 so next time it is 5 × 2.5 = 12.5 children?? What qualifies as .5 of a child? Crawling? Toddler who can't yet turn around?

Who knows---maybe the shock next time will be truly global?

I do not imagine for a second they realize, in all of their surface chicanery, just "what" exactly has been unleashed here.

Wagardhac will take out 20 Saleebaan children and their 20 mothers for the price of those 5 children.

Inaa lilaah waa inaa ilaahi raajicuun.
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Re: Qoorqoor has acted swiftly. Galmudug displays warrant for 5 suspects & then attacked them seizing 1/2 teknikos.

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Gubbet wrote: Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:52 pm Nomand,

The views you stated are counter productive and not conducive for justice walaal. I want justice as much for these murdered children as anyone else out there with the exception of their families and loved ones and I, myself, feel you bar for justice is unjust itself.

The 5 soldiers were killed by Cayr who have their own separate and contextually disparate cycle of revenge with a different group of Marehan. Even the cycle of revenge between Wagardhac and Sacad is separate and contextually disparate to the context between Wagardhac and Saleebaan.

Wagardhac and Saleebaan have established a different trajectory. It is vicious, destructive and full of enmity as this case proves but they have started an actual process that is still in experiment.

Ooorqoor himself is Saleebaan, with a level of power, authority, and even legitimacy to exercise a distinct set of prerogatives that are beyond his entitlement outside of Saleebaan.

He cannot be judged for entitlement he did not possess.

Conversely a non-Saleebaan Galmudug head in this timeframe would not be with the entitlement Qoorqoor possesses thus.

Finally, Nomand, they do not need to be turned over to Wagardhac.

This is not a "civil damages" or "compensation" matter governed by Xeer customary law requiring restitution or, in its failure, retribution.

This is a "law and order" or "policing" matter governed by a superior authority requiring corrections, or in lieu of it, remediation.

The use of 3rd party owned vehicles, manpower, and agency for enforcing attempt at accountability is IPSO FACTO IPSO JURE (by the fact itself by law) "superior authority" burdening the enforcement of peace unto itself in their favor (the victims)

The suspects cannot be "turned over" to a party in a criminal adjudication; they are captured for, prosecuted for, and, if sentenced, punished for all of society as the crime against a member of a member of society was a crime against the society in total.

In short walaaloow----and do not begrudge me for this----you escaped that hell and Alhamdulilah that you did----

----but for those that have not, defer to anything and everything that might contain even the smallest, tiniest possibility or capability of just lessening or decreasing the burning heat or temperature of that raging inferno if not for those that have succumbed then for those that have to live.

These are commendable steps and I am suspending judgement until the process displays further lack of continuance whether that is because of successful outcome or aborted possibility.
"Law and order" from galnus? Haye its been nearly one week since those boys were butchered. What happened since then?

What's harmful for marehan is your stance and how easily you are satisfied by mere words. No action has been taken so far- just some fake rumours about them leaving weapons behind.

Mx are in the position they are in because of how easily they are fooled. Just the other day some hg elder during militia of galnus call up was saying how hg defeated the government of siyad barre and farmaajo while your beloved qoor qoor said nothing.

So sxb hg have been shouting from the roof tops how much they despise you. It reached a point were 8 mx ladies were gang raped and now 5 mx kids butchered. Yet you are seeking "Law and order" from HG.

Subxanallah.
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Re: Qoorqoor has acted swiftly. Galmudug displays warrant for 5 suspects & then attacked them seizing 1/2 teknikos.

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Gubbet wrote: Thu Aug 10, 2023 1:52 pm Nomand,

The views you stated are counter productive and not conducive for justice walaal. I want justice as much for these murdered children as anyone else out there with the exception of their families and loved ones and I, myself, feel you bar for justice is unjust itself.

The 5 soldiers were killed by Cayr who have their own separate and contextually disparate cycle of revenge with a different group of Marehan. Even the cycle of revenge between Wagardhac and Sacad is separate and contextually disparate to the context between Wagardhac and Saleebaan.

Wagardhac and Saleebaan have established a different trajectory. It is vicious, destructive and full of enmity as this case proves but they have started an actual process that is still in experiment.

Ooorqoor himself is Saleebaan, with a level of power, authority, and even legitimacy to exercise a distinct set of prerogatives that are beyond his entitlement outside of Saleebaan.

He cannot be judged for entitlement he did not possess.

Conversely a non-Saleebaan Galmudug head in this timeframe would not be with the entitlement Qoorqoor possesses thus.

Finally, Nomand, they do not need to be turned over to Wagardhac.

This is not a "civil damages" or "compensation" matter governed by Xeer customary law requiring restitution or, in its failure, retribution.

This is a "law and order" or "policing" matter governed by a superior authority requiring corrections, or in lieu of it, remediation.

The use of 3rd party owned vehicles, manpower, and agency for enforcing attempt at accountability is IPSO FACTO IPSO JURE (by the fact itself by law) "superior authority" burdening the enforcement of peace unto itself in their favor (the victims)

The suspects cannot be "turned over" to a party in a criminal adjudication; they are captured for, prosecuted for, and, if sentenced, punished for all of society as the crime against a member of a member of society was a crime against the society in total.

In short walaaloow----and do not begrudge me for this----you escaped that hell and Alhamdulilah that you did----

----but for those that have not, defer to anything and everything that might contain even the smallest, tiniest possibility or capability of just lessening or decreasing the burning heat or temperature of that raging inferno if not for those that have succumbed then for those that have to live.

These are commendable steps and I am suspending judgement until the process displays further lack of continuance whether that is because of successful outcome or aborted possibility.
"Law and order" from galnus? Haye its been nearly one week since those boys were butchered. What happened since then?

What's harmful for marehan is your stance and how easily you are satisfied by mere words. No action has been taken so far- just some fake rumours about them leaving weapons behind.

Mx are in the position they are in because of how easily they are fooled. Just the other day some hg elder during militia of galnus call up was saying how hg defeated the government of siyad barre and farmaajo while your beloved qoor qoor said nothing.

So sxb hg have been shouting from the roof tops how much they despise you. It reached a point were 8 mx ladies were gang raped and now 5 mx kids butchered. Yet you are seeking "Law and order" from HG.

Subxanallah.
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Re: Qoorqoor has acted swiftly. Galmudug displays warrant for 5 suspects & then attacked them seizing 1/2 teknikos.

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Nomand,

Please see the post above yours;
These are commendable steps and I am suspending judgement until the process displays further lack of continuance whether that is because of successful outcome or aborted possibility.

At this point, I will resume judgement as it is very clearly obvious from this point onwards, this will be another case of aborted possibility---a 100% out of 100% track record/pattern.
Two days before your post, I addressed what you are responding to.

Secondly, let me give you a more substantive critique; you are no more 'heavenly innocent' than they are.

Walaal, do you see in this very page of this topic both 1.) My contemporaneous notation of the 2 murdered Saleebaan boys as well as 2.) the introduction of new information identifying two of the suspects as brothers who were the "fathers" of the two murdered Saleebaan boys noted prior?

Nomand, did you comment about those boys in this topic or prior even let alone give a human, justice motivated tribute?

Nomad, the strength of your emotion, grievance even is built on that injustice.

That is always what is used to fuel the longevity of revenge cycles.

His son does not matter; your son matters. His daughter does not matter; your daughter matters. His blood doesn't matter, in fact he doesn't even bleed red human blood; only your blood matters.

It is impossible for one to come out and verbalize that given the profound injustice every rational human being feels it to be so this where erasing/denying/ignoring the other side's impacted humanity is used as a near approximation to categorically labeling it unequal.

Nomand, our side has killed, has raped, has hurt, has unjustly transgressed against them too. I have tracked multiple violations from our side in just the last 10 months both from Wagardhac to Saleebaan AND Sacad as well as Bah Xawaadle to Cayr [AND Dir].

I am Bah Xawaadle from Balanbale and my reer abti include Wagardhac from Dhabad.

Our victims were innocent.

So too were the Sacad, Saleebaan, and Cayr [AND Dir] victims innocent.

First start internalizing that yourself, walaal; start internalizing that basic, compulsory God-inspired justice yourself.
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