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[AgentOfChaos]

agent, gone are the days you could be classified as a city native of distant cities, I say: "nin walba tuuladiisa ha dhiso" - at least then no one can say you ain't from there.

This whole "nin waliba tuuladiisa ha dhisto" is what put us all in this shit hole in the first place. Besides the 20+ years of lack of government proved "nin waliba tuuladiisa ha dhisto" doesn't really solve issues facing our country as a whole, if anything it will only result in us segregating each other even more.

[PrinceDaadi]

While personally I don't consider my self as unionist I don't see how u will be a second class in xamar!

You mean if I go to Xamar I will not hear "Xamar unuka leh"?

maya u will not hear that, it is only dayuusbaro people who are obsessed with this.

[Cumar-Labasuul]

agent, gone are the days you could be classified as a city native of distant cities, I say: "nin walba tuuladiisa ha dhiso" - at least then no one can say you ain't from there.

This whole "nin waliba tuuladiisa ha dhisto" is what put us all in this shit hole in the first place. Besides the 20+ years of lack of government proved "nin waliba tuuladiisa ha dhisto" doesn't really solve issues facing our country as a whole, if anything it will only result in us segregating each other even more.

actually it wasn't what put us in this shit hole. Somalia was basically one city, where you couldn't get medicine or basic needs without travelling to xamar, it was a extreme case of one city state. Since then other cities and towns have flourished due to everybody focusing on their home turf.
Besides south central "nin walba tuuladiisa..." has worked, if that wasn't the case then every tom d1ck and harry would be slugging it out over xamar (due to everybody contributing to it).

[Rabshoole]

I wish nigga would tell me you're not welcomed in Waaberi ama Shangaani. Meesha ku dhashtay

I don't know about Rabduure but Bacaadweyne waxaa daga Dir so I am assuming that you are. A local will never tells his older brother he is not welcome in Waaberi ama Shangaani

Everyone is welcome in Xamar whether you're Somali or Ajnabi

[Titanium]

I wish nigga would tell me you're not welcomed in Waaberi ama Shangaani. Meesha ku dhashtay

I don't know about Rabduure but Bacaadweyne waxaa daga Dir so I am assuming that you are. A local will never tells his older brother he is not welcome in Waaberi ama Shangaani

Everyone is welcome in Xamar whether you're Somali or Ajnabi

I know. It is unfortunate messages boards online have brainwashed some. Somalia is for all Somalis

[Cumar-Labasuul]

rabshoole & titanium, most of those who say xamar is only for one clan are not talking about being welcomed or what not, but that a xamar born individual (who isn't hawiye) cannot be mayor/governor/district mayor etc.

p.s. is it true that all 16 districts are ruled by hawiye

[Titanium]

Cumar, not all 16 districts are ruled by Hawiye. The cad cad's have representation in 1 of the districts. The only Hawiyes with representation are HG, Abgaal and Murusade. No other Hawiye. A Geeljecel or a Xawadle or any Hawiye who live in the other provinces will not rule 1 district in Xamar. There are obviously more Geeljecel or Xawadle in Xamar than cad cads but they are not entitled to anything. Cad cads are and its because they have a history in that city. Somali politics is not about representation by population but by clan claims. This isn't only in Xamar but even Hargeisa as well. I am sure Cidagale and Sacad Muse and Isaxaaq have dibs on municipality representation by HJ and Isa Muse are shut out?

Mayor/Governor position will always be Mudulood and even Hawiye know that. If Hawiye can understand that, then the rest of the Somalis should. I can't go to Bosaso and claim to want to be mayor because I was born there. It doesn't work that way anywhere. Xamar shouldn't be blamed. It's status is the capital and every Somali has a right to live and claim that city. But no one who doesn't have ancestral claims can demand municipal representation. If a Xawadle or Geeljecel can't get it, why should someone else?

[AgentOfChaos]

agent, gone are the days you could be classified as a city native of distant cities, I say: "nin walba tuuladiisa ha dhiso" - at least then no one can say you ain't from there.

This whole "nin waliba tuuladiisa ha dhisto" is what put us all in this shit hole in the first place. Besides the 20+ years of lack of government proved "nin waliba tuuladiisa ha dhisto" doesn't really solve issues facing our country as a whole, if anything it will only result in us segregating each other even more.

actually it wasn't what put us in this shit hole. Somalia was basically one city, where you couldn't get medicine or basic needs without travelling to xamar, it was a extreme case of one city state. Since then other cities and towns have flourished due to everybody focusing on their home turf.

Besides south central "nin walba tuuladiisa..." has worked, if that wasn't the case then every tom d1ck and harry would be slugging it out over xamar (due to everybody contributing to it).

That's the point, it's because Xamar was "one city nation" is what resulted in everyone else saying "nin waliba tuuladiisa ha dhisto" and everything went downhill from there. Everyone started focusing on their tiny region to a point where we no longer were connected a nation, and we no longer even cared about one another. If we really cared, and if there sense of soomaalinimo, then the civil war would never have occurred. Btw sxb, sadly I don't think "one city nation" mentality will ever die, nothing will ever change, hell some even think XAMAR and SOMALIA somehow equates to the same thing.

Personally Somalia is Xamar and Xamar is Somalia!.

[Cumar-Labasuul]

titanium, i don't disagree that a city should be represented by native clans. Ok so reer xamars are represented in mogadishu. Yeah hargeisa is represented by those clans you listed but funnily enough it is slowly changing ciise muuse got represented (they've live in some sections of the city), I'm not sure if gabooye were represented but apparently now the governor of the region is dhulbahante.

anyway yes I agree a non native shouldn't get mayorship etc (by non native I mean his clan has got to live there) unless this changes nationwide


agent, no my friend that wasn't the main reason for the civil war (even though a one city state is terrible for any country), try:

-nepotism
-authoritarianism
-corruption
-socialism
-typical african holding onto power for too long
-clannism

[PrinceDaadi]

Agent: i dont see what s wrong with that, any third world Africa capital will represent the whole country!


btw Somalia is xamar regardless of whether we like it or not and if u think this is "unuka leh" m not from xamar by so called qabiil terms.

[Rabshoole]

Cumar, Anyone could've been a mayor, governor etc in Xamar prior to the 19kala cararka. Although the clan system today would favor hawiye because they have the upperhand of residence in Xamar. At the moment, I have family members in Shaangaani iyo Waaberi recontructing their preporties as we speak, the city is slowly regaining its status and EEO policies will return soon.

[PrinceDaadi]

Rablooshe: I believe when we start to elect the Governor through the popular election anyone can stand for it.

[Cumar-Labasuul]

rabshoole, i wouldn't mind seeing that again although I also don't mind this whole every clan represents their deegaans policy.

[Titanium]

titanium, i don't disagree that a city should be represented by native clans. Ok so reer xamars are represented in mogadishu. Yeah hargeisa is represented by those clans you listed but funnily enough it is slowly changing ciise muuse got represented (they've live in some sections of the city), I'm not sure if gabooye were represented but apparently now the governor of the region is dhulbahante.

anyway yes I agree a non native shouldn't get mayorship etc (by non native I mean his clan has got to live there) unless this changes nationwide

I will be the biggest supporter of such a change nationwide. But Xamar shouldn't lead that change. Xamar was once ruled by Darods, Omanis, Zanzibarians, Italians, some man from Berbera at one time. Xamar was willing to accept this "everyone included" representation but we have seen what has happened. It's time for other cities to start with that change if they are sincere about changing this way of politics. People pointing at Xamar to try and make a point about Somali local politics should be immediately dismissed.

Yes, I have heard about the Isa Muse bit. Strange. I am surprised Cidagale haven't rioted. They were only given what, 2 or 3 people to represent them locally which was the lowest out of any clan? Hargeisawis are lucky the founders of Hargeisa are humble accommodating folk

[AgentOfChaos]

agent, no my friend that wasn't the main reason for the civil war (even though a one city state is terrible for any country), try:

-nepotism
-authoritarianism
-corruption
-socialism
-typical african holding onto power for too long
-clannism

Did I say that was the main reason? Sxb I'm allergic to debate, I thought we were just talking. If it makes you feel good then you're right about everything, and I was wrong, so congrats sxb.