Somali History as told by a Eritrean Saho elder

[MidriGeez]

"Af-Garre" is not a Somali dialect.

Also, "Af-Tunni" is more relevant as an academic venture than anything else. It is literally just Af-Maay with a different pronunciation like how Abgal could pronounce differently to reer Mudug or reer Waqooyi.

Almost all Tunni speak "Af-Baraawe" also known as Chimwini. It is 100% a Swahili dialect.

"Af-Garre" is also literally the Borana Oromo tongue spoken by the Garre of Mandera who have been culturally assimilated by the Borana that surround them.

In both cases, the two languages are officially known as Chimwini (Swahili dialect) and Borana (Oromo dialect).

Neither is part of the "Somali language."

That they are known as "Af-Garre" and "Af-Baraawe" is only because of their sheer unfamiliarity to Somalis who styled the tongues after the groups among them who speak it.

As usual you don’t know what you’re talking about. Garre dialect spoken in Somalia is the true ‘Af Garre’ and it is closer to Tunni and other similar dialects that fall under the May umbrella. ‘Af Garre’ spoken in Ethiopia and NFD is a Garre dialect of Borana.

For the Maxa dialect the standard form is Northern Somali. Cemented by linguist Marcelo Lambertis extensive field study. The northern Somali dialect, according to linguists, cluster with the Afar-Saho branch. As I mentioned before Beja and Afar-Saho are the most conservative form is Cushitic and thus closest to the original proto Cushitic language.

Its a bit disingenuous to call it northern dialect when it is spoken by majority of Somalis in the south, and it is the standard form of Somali.

Anyway I don't believe this crap that Afar-Saho and Beja have the purest form of cushetic, their language is not even national language of their country, furthermore are we gonna deny the fact that they are strongly influenced by Arabic or habesha languages ?

So what if they are not the national Language??? so are you saying Ogaden people are irrelevant because somali is not a national language in Ethiopia??

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

1) Correct.
2) Correct. But who cares when the Emirati is gonna cover the collapse and throw few billions there.
3) 100 % correct. (They did that to asseb as well In Eritrea)
4) No one cares about the chinese and djbouti becoming singapore of the horn. The problem is Issa gotta go.
5) No way somali will fight for Issa, who? Darood? somali land? hawiya????? This is much bigger than qabil war the order comes from the highest level ( Yahud through Emirati and America)
6) Chinese will not engage in a direct fight against Eritrea + Ethiopia + Uganda + Sudan + Kenya and through proxy vs Isreal + Emirates and America for Issa Somali, sorry but Issa Somali are not god chosen people.
7) Eritrea will not annex Djbouti Land, Eritrea will install Red sea Afar is rulers and giving back their country and land, Imagine that Eritrea helping the afar to reclaim their nation they might even rename some of the major streets and the airport with Eritrea

Daroods will fight you as they are the brains of Somalis. We know this was coming. Ogaden liyu boolis already stopped you in Sitte. You don't know our tribal ties is deeper than afars. Plus Somalis are more!

No way Darood would fight us. No way. How you gonna get to djbouti anyway?? Through Somaliland (Isaaq won't let u), Through Ethiopia??? No chance the oromo will stop you. The only way will be on wooden boat and Emirati F16 will be making sure you sink before you even leave Puntland

Issa is the maternal uncles of Darood. I'll leave it there.

[Voltage]

Dalalos,

He is an insecure loser.

The only purpose to this is to say Isaaq dialect, which is Somali, is closer to Different LANGUAGES than Rahanweyn, which is another actual dialect of Somali.

It's the same shit about his delusional claim of being closer to a ruling Arabs of UAE than his neighboring Oromo.

I wonder if this guy was found in a trash can, because someone cannot be that insecure about who they are under normal circumstances.

Wallahi I would wager 100% that he is also MidriGeez.

[Xildiiid]

i agree with your assessment, to add to that as well the new kingdom of Egypt 18th,19th and 20th dynasty rulers/pharaohs had a mother tongue which was not Ancient Egyptians but close to it. the new kingdom came from the south and kicked out the Hyksos rulers of Egypt who were from syria and the last ruler was the 17th dynasty. I visited some sites near aswan and luxor with someone who was a bisharin Beja who are officially the only recognised decedents of the new kingdom egypt by the state of egypt. he took me to old closed temples and he was reading the holographic to me and told me what they were saying on the wall, i was shocked and not surprised in the same time.

those temples has been closed for more than 30 years for "renovation" but the truth is the Egyptian government do not want the world to see as many westerners can read it these days and notice what it says. basically what it said on the wall is all the new kingdom pharaohs attribute their origin to the southern land "Ta seti" which was East sudan+Eritrea+djbouti+northern part of somalia. He told me their native tongue was a language which is what he believes to be the proto type language which beja+afar split from.

The guy literraly showed me word by word and translated it wall after wall and everything pointing to the south, he told me Ancient Egyptians was a secondary language to them and the main language was a language from the land of Ta seti. Now Ta seti split later to the northern part "Medjay" East sudan + northern Eritrea, and the southern Part "Punt" which is rest of Eritrea + djbouti and northern somali. Medjay=Beja and Punt=Afar/saho. i remember he read an inscription once which said that in military meetings they all spoke with that "southern language" to make sure the hyksos who some remained in egypt and lived among the population could not spy on them as the danger from"syria" was always not finished with.

Those Bisharin Beja are amazing wallahi any somali in here who might visit egypt in the future go to towns like Luxor and aswan. forget about the noba people just look for Bisharin Beja and tell them you are somali and watch how they would see you as a family member who have not seen you in years. their features you sense like horner living in south egypt.

In regards to south cushites in the somali peninsula maybe they mixed with the incoming cushites waves coming at a later dates or maybe groups like the omotic tribes have link with them who lives in southern/western Ethiopia.

According to linguists, the Beja language is the most conservative form of Cushitic meaning that it contains minimal changes and therefore the closest to the original Cushitic language. The Beja language is then followed by the Afar-Saho language.

The Somali language is too diverse and that’s the reason why it’s not included in the list after Afar-Saho (my own theory). The North Somali dialect clusters with Afar-Saho but then you have Somali dialects like Af Tunni, Af Garre etc. that do not cluster with Afar-Saho.

The Somali Peninsula was inhabited by Paleolithic Hunter Gatherers who went extinct. They were conquered by incoming Cushitic migrants most likely South Cushites and then East Cushites pushed the South Cushites further south. There are some Somali individuals from south Somalia and NFD (Kenya) carrying the signature haplogroup of the South Cushites (E-M293).

Hmmm interesting, do you think the san people might have lived near there at some point and were pushed by cushites migration to the area. Some of those San people look a bit somali/Tutsi to me. On another note i was speaking to a Fijian friend of mine and he told me they came from an area called teganaki (present day tanzania) thousands of years ago. He said that they were hunter gatherer and they have close genetic and feature connection with the herrero and Nama people in Namibia. I checked and they do look similar in features. so my understanding that area between Somalia and Tanzania was a bit crowded before the Bantu arrived there.

No, the Paleolithic Hunter Gatherers that inhabited the Somali peninsula are extinct. Only their genes exist in Somalis (around 10%).

The Khoi-San carry Cushitic DNA. South Cushites reached Southern Africa thousands of years before the Bantu migration. These South Cushites introduced animal husbandry (livestock and domesticated dogs) to the Khoi-San and intermixed with them. Unfortunately the Khoi-San reverted to their old lifestyle of foraging and hunting. The only trace of these ancient Cushites is in the Khoi-San DNA. Among the Khoi, the Nama have the highest frequency of Cushitic DNA (8-12%).

[Xildiiid]

Dalalos,

He is an insecure loser.

The only purpose to this is to say Isaaq dialect, which is Somali, is closer to Different LANGUAGES than Rahanweyn, which is another actual dialect of Somali.

It's the same shit about his delusional claim of being closer to a ruling Arabs of UAE than his neighboring Oromo.

I wonder if this guy was found in a trash can, because someone cannot be that insecure about who they are under normal circumstances.

Wallahi I would wager 100% that he is also MidriGeez.

Why are you always crying? Ma naag baad tahay?

Christopher Ehret and other renowned linguists have concluded that Beja, followed by Afar-Saho, is the most conservative form of Cushitic and thus closest to the original Cushitic language. Beja is so conservative that linguists believed at one point that it was its own branch within Afro-Asiatic because other Cushitic languages had diverged so much.

Again, renowned Italian linguist (Marcelo Lamberti) concluded in his report, after extensive field work, that within the Maxa dialect the standard form is northern Somali and within northern Somali it’s what he called “Af Isaaq”. Af Isaaq also had the greatest prestige among Somali poets.

Why are you bring genetics into the discussion? Do you even know what paternal haplogroups are and how it works? If not then iska aamu adeer.

[Jabuutawi]

There are only 5 million Eritreans. No way you make up 20% of the population or else it would have manifested in the socio-economic hierarchy of the society. You are third grade citizens in your own country. The looma oyaan of Erit.

Are you Baharlayti .

Your bravado is an empty threat, neither substance nor reality on the ground backs your assertion about your fighting ability. Ask the family of your ‘famous’ Eritrean Afar singer who was shot between the eyes with a single bullet from 100 yards away by a 17 year old Issa nomad in Caydati battlefield this year. He should have not carried a bazooka to the frontline. Ask FRUD members (surviving ones) about the punishment they received from Issa in the early 1990s.

You have lost dozens of militia to our gallant fighters this year alone. You run away from your dead and the ravens and vultures are having a feast on your corpses.

Be thankful to Issa, or Qisse as you say, that we have not made you extinct like the dodo — yet.

[Voltage]

Dalalos,

He is an insecure loser.

The only purpose to this is to say Isaaq dialect, which is Somali, is closer to Different LANGUAGES than Rahanweyn, which is another actual dialect of Somali.

It's the same shit about his delusional claim of being closer to a ruling Arabs of UAE than his neighboring Oromo.

I wonder if this guy was found in a trash can, because someone cannot be that insecure about who they are under normal circumstances.

Wallahi I would wager 100% that he is also MidriGeez.

Why are you always crying? Ma naag baad tahay?

Christopher Ehret and other renowned linguists have concluded that Beja, followed by Afar-Saho, is the most conservative form of Cushitic and thus closest to the original Cushitic language. Beja is so conservative that linguists believed at one point that it was its own branch within Afro-Asiatic because other Cushitic languages had diverged so much.

Again, renowned Italian linguist (Marcelo Lamberti) concluded in his report, after extensive field work, that within the Maxa dialect the standard form is northern Somali and within northern Somali it’s what he called “Af Isaaq”. Af Isaaq also had the greatest prestige among Somali poets.

Why are you bring genetics into the discussion? Do you even know what paternal haplogroups are and how it works? If not then iska aamu adeer.

1. It's annoying how you seem to have an insecure identity crisis.

2. I don't think you understand linguistic science. Unlike the unimportant genetic/Haplogroup thing I don't care much for, I have read gazillion literature on the Somali language and Cushitic. Linguistic development is NOT an observable phenomena. One person makes a theory based on many factors (including, for example, many non-scientific factors like whether they are Afrocentric or Eurocentric) while another person could make the opposite theory at the same time.

I will tell you something that Climate change deniers in the US are constantly told; the issue is not about whether you do or don't have a scientist or scientific research that argues against human footprint as the a major cause of CO2 explosion, the issue is where is the BODY OF SCIENTISTS AND SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH.

Similarly, the same time, Ehret was saying Semitic, Berber, and Ancient Egyptian are one family in Afro-Asiatic, others like the chair of the University of Oslo were writing Cushitic and Semitic are the closest while still others were writing they are all equally distant to each other.

The concept of archaic/conservative is always more a reflection of a "placeholder" explanation for why something is the way it is. For example, this issue with Beja rose in the 70's----until recently it was agreed that not only is Beja heavily influenced by Nilo-Saharan, but also that the small Cushitic languages in the northern highlands underwent significant forced influence by the Semitic languages. So some of the aspects of those languages may seem "archaic" (read: missing in the more bigger and powerful Cushitic languages) but that's only because you had to look beyond the Cushitic languages to locate it. For example, with Beja, there was an active spread of Nilo Saharan in its traditional territory that displaced many previous features shared by the rest of Cushitic.

As a rule of thumb, linguistic research has generally proven the exception is not the norm and where the most amount of divergence of a language is evident is almost always the location of its origins. An example of this is English which is such an outlier to the rest of Germanic today. It's not that the rest of Germanic diverged from English, it's that English diverged from the rest of Germanic through, well, basically its "rape" by Norman French where today nglish may be a Germanic root at its base, but it has just as much been look influenced by Romance particularly in vocabulary.

I also really don't understand this argument at all. No language is pure. It's not even something to celebrate. If you wish to celebrate isolation, might as well hail the Khoison click language. Celebrating archaic is celebrating being primitive.

3. You're full of shit. I was exactly 15 years old when I read Lamberti and by his, and virtually every other account, "Standard Somali" is based on the Darod dialects of Mudug (aka Marehan). That's what he wrote verbatim.

He said nothing about "Af-Isaaq" being the base of Standard Somali.

You are literally bastardizing his general statement about poets speaking in Northern Somali which he used in that particular point to describe the dialect spoken from Hargeisa down to Garbahaarey----as a point of comparison to say Af Maay and Af Hawiye most popularized by Abgaal.

After he makes that general point about Northern Somali as the dialect of Hargeisa as it is the dialect of Bosaso as it is the dialect of Caabudwaaq as it is the dialect of Garbahaaray, he them later divides Northern Somalia into the

1. The geographically proper northern aka waqooyi dialect of Hargeisa
2. The Darod group with Af Marehan
3. The Lower Jubba aka Waamo group which is an offshoot of Darod group with some Af Hawiye influence

He then LITERALLY says the Standard Somali is based on Darod Mudug group (aka Marehan).

How can you be the base of Standard Somali when the majority of the Somali people reject your tongue as provincial (regional) and infamously called it QALDAAN (from Qalad aka Wrong).

Even today, look at the majority of Somali media.

Who says ROODHI for bread or transplanta "DH" for "R???"

NO ONE. How can you be the base of Standard Somali when you have 0 influence on the media, political speech, or writing of the majority of the Somali people?

Whereas, even the traditional leader of the Somali Bantu SHIIDLE community joked in the reconciliation conference, everybody started to speak like Marehan so he specifically paid for a MAREEXAAN tutor to teach him to speak like he was from Caabudwaaq too.

[MidriGeez]

Daroods will fight you as they are the brains of Somalis. We know this was coming. Ogaden liyu boolis already stopped you in Sitte. You don't know our tribal ties is deeper than afars. Plus Somalis are more!

No way Darood would fight us. No way. How you gonna get to djbouti anyway?? Through Somaliland (Isaaq won't let u), Through Ethiopia??? No chance the oromo will stop you. The only way will be on wooden boat and Emirati F16 will be making sure you sink before you even leave Puntland

Issa is the maternal uncles of Darood. I'll leave it there.

Eritreans and Darood go way back, Darood are smart enough to know their time is up when they were used by the woyane tigray to disturb the area. This is not a yard fight warya its either you are with us or against us and Darood will understand their maternal nephews f**ked up ig time and got to be demoted to second class soon. You got to accept that it is happening and the Yahud have approved it and gave the green light to flick them.

[MidriGeez]

There are only 5 million Eritreans. No way you make up 20% of the population or else it would have manifested in the socio-economic hierarchy of the society. You are third grade citizens in your own country. The looma oyaan of Erit.

Are you Baharlayti .

Your bravado is an empty threat, neither substance nor reality on the ground backs your assertion about your fighting ability. Ask the family of your ‘famous’ Eritrean Afar singer who was shot between the eyes with a single bullet from 100 yards away by a 17 year old Issa nomad in Caydati battlefield this year. He should have not carried a bazooka to the frontline. Ask FRUD members (surviving ones) about the punishment they received from Issa in the early 1990s.

You have lost dozens of militia to our gallant fighters this year alone. You run away from your dead and the ravens and vultures are having a feast on your corpses.

Be thankful to Issa, or Qisse as you say, that we have not made you extinct like the dodo — yet.

Dankali afar and saho have the highest birthrate in Eritrea since independence, so 1 million is actually a conservative estimate.

Afars are first class citizens in their own land in Eritrea the dankalia region, Issa is second class citizen in djbouti after the french and the chinese. they are 5th class citizen now in Ethiopia with oromo taking over, Abiy ahmed hates the Issa so much that he is allowing their land to be taken by afars and oromo and nothing the Issa can do, infact Issa goats are putting a better resistance when they get confiscated by the other ethnic groups.

Get ready New Era for the Horn and djbouti without the Issa waoyane slave parasite, you were acting big and tough in the ras domaira huh, Issa the most 2 faced traitors in the Horn, sided with hailsalise then with mengistu and switched over to woyane they are like the Yahud of the horn but with no brain and balls.

[Xildiiid]

Dalalos,

He is an insecure loser.

The only purpose to this is to say Isaaq dialect, which is Somali, is closer to Different LANGUAGES than Rahanweyn, which is another actual dialect of Somali.

It's the same shit about his delusional claim of being closer to a ruling Arabs of UAE than his neighboring Oromo.

I wonder if this guy was found in a trash can, because someone cannot be that insecure about who they are under normal circumstances.

Wallahi I would wager 100% that he is also MidriGeez.

Why are you always crying? Ma naag baad tahay?

Christopher Ehret and other renowned linguists have concluded that Beja, followed by Afar-Saho, is the most conservative form of Cushitic and thus closest to the original Cushitic language. Beja is so conservative that linguists believed at one point that it was its own branch within Afro-Asiatic because other Cushitic languages had diverged so much.

Again, renowned Italian linguist (Marcelo Lamberti) concluded in his report, after extensive field work, that within the Maxa dialect the standard form is northern Somali and within northern Somali it’s what he called “Af Isaaq”. Af Isaaq also had the greatest prestige among Somali poets.

Why are you bring genetics into the discussion? Do you even know what paternal haplogroups are and how it works? If not then iska aamu adeer.

1. It's annoying how you seem to have an insecure identity crisis.

2. I don't think you understand linguistic science. Unlike the unimportant genetic/Haplogroup thing I don't care much for, I have read gazillion literature on the Somali language and Cushitic. Linguistic development is NOT an observable phenomena. One person makes a theory based on many factors (including, for example, many non-scientific factors like whether they are Afrocentric or Eurocentric) while another person could make the opposite theory at the same time.

I will tell you something that Climate change deniers in the US are constantly told; the issue is not about whether you do or don't have a scientist or scientific research that argues against human footprint as the a major cause of CO2 explosion, the issue is where is the BODY OF SCIENTISTS AND SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH.

Similarly, the same time, Ehret was saying Semitic, Berber, and Ancient Egyptian are one family in Afro-Asiatic, others like the chair of the University of Oslo were writing Cushitic and Semitic are the closest while still others were writing they are all equally distant to each other.

The concept of archaic/conservative is always more a reflection of a "placeholder" explanation for why something is the way it is. For example, this issue with Beja rose in the 70's----until recently it was agreed that not only is Beja heavily influenced by Nilo-Saharan, but also that the small Cushitic languages in the northern highlands underwent significant forced influence by the Semitic languages. So some of the aspects of those languages may seem "archaic" (read: missing in the more bigger and powerful Cushitic languages) but that's only because you had to look beyond the Cushitic languages to locate it. For example, with Beja, there was an active spread of Nilo Saharan in its traditional territory that displaced many previous features shared by the rest of Cushitic.

As a rule of thumb, linguistic research has generally proven the exception is not the norm and where the most amount of divergence of a language is evident is almost always the location of its origins. An example of this is English which is such an outlier to the rest of Germanic today. It's not that the rest of Germanic diverged from English, it's that English diverged from the rest of Germanic through, well, basically its "rape" by Norman French where today nglish may be a Germanic root at its base, but it has just as much been look influenced by Romance particularly in vocabulary.

I also really don't understand this argument at all. No language is pure. It's not even something to celebrate. If you wish to celebrate isolation, might as well hail the Khoison click language. Celebrating archaic is celebrating being primitive.

3. You're full of shit. I was exactly 15 years old when I read Lamberti and by his, and virtually every other account, "Standard Somali" is based on the Darod dialects of Mudug (aka Marehan). That's what he wrote verbatim.

He said nothing about "Af-Isaaq" being the base of Standard Somali.

You are literally bastardizing his general statement about poets speaking in Northern Somali which he used in that particular point to describe the dialect spoken from Hargeisa down to Garbahaarey----as a point of comparison to say Af Maay and Af Hawiye most popularized by Abgaal.

After he makes that general point about Northern Somali as the dialect of Hargeisa as it is the dialect of Bosaso as it is the dialect of Caabudwaaq as it is the dialect of Garbahaaray, he them later divides Northern Somalia into the

1. The geographically proper northern aka waqooyi dialect of Hargeisa
2. The Darod group with Af Marehan
3. The Lower Jubba aka Waamo group which is an offshoot of Darod group with some Af Hawiye influence

He then LITERALLY says the Standard Somali is based on Darod Mudug group (aka Marehan).

How can you be the base of Standard Somali when the majority of the Somali people reject your tongue as provincial (regional) and infamously called it QALDAAN (from Qalad aka Wrong).

Even today, look at the majority of Somali media.

Who says ROODHI for bread or transplanta "DH" for "R???"

NO ONE. How can you be the base of Standard Somali when you have 0 influence on the media, political speech, or writing of the majority of the Somali people?

Whereas, even the traditional leader of the Somali Bantu SHIIDLE community joked in the reconciliation conference, everybody started to speak like Marehan so he specifically paid for a MAREEXAAN tutor to teach him to speak like he was from Caabudwaaq too.

1. The only insecure person is this forum is you.. the amount of threads you create about your irrelevant clan just to make yourself feel good is ridiculous.


2. How is genetics irrelevant? Geneticists have found Pan Afro-Asiatic genomes shared by all native Afro-Asiatic speakers including the Ancient Egyptians thus cementing a shared origin. Similar to the Pan Indo-European genomes shared by native Indo-European speakers etc.

Ehret is not wrong. Semitic is very close to the Egyptian branch because northeast Egypt/Sinai is where proto Semitic was spoken before it spread into the Levant. The only Semitic language with a grammatical connection to Cushitic is Akkadian.

The overwhelming majority of linguists describe the Beja language as the most conservative form of Cushitic, it has zero influence from other languages and minimal changes within its structure thus its closest to the original proto Cushitic language.

3. You haven’t read Lambertis work. This is the biggest lie. Lamberti divided the Somali dialects into the following clusters:

(1) The Northern Somali (Nsom.), which supplied the official language of the Somali Democratic Republic.

(2) The Benaadir dialeccts (Ben.), which are spoken along the coast of Southern Somalia.

(3) The Ashraaf dialects (Ash.), which are spoken only in Mogadishu's Shangaani quarter adn in the district of Merka.

(4) The May dialects, which are the usual medium of the former Upper Juba, of lower Shabeelle and partially of Lower Juba

(5) The Digil dialects, which are scattered here and there all over the May-speaking territory.

He then further divided northern Somali into 3 sections:

(1) Northern Somali in its proper sense: spoken in the regions of Woqooyi Galbeed, Togdheer, Sanaag and Western Nugaal [before the creation of Sool]. The dialects belonging to this group are called Af-Ciise, Af-Geedabuursi, Af-Isaaq and partially Af-Warsangeli and Af-Dolbohaante i.e only the Harti that neighbor Isaaq speak this dialect.

(2) The Daarood group: spoken in the regions Bari, Nugaal, Mudug, in Western Somalia (Soomaali Galbeed) and along the Ethiopian border in the regions Galgaduud, Bakool and Gedo. This is the Somalia dialectal group which present the greatest number of speakers. The dialects of this group are the North-Eastern dialects (including Af-Warsangeli and Af-Dolbahaante), Af-Ogaadeen, Af-Degodia, Af-Wardey and Af-Marrehaan.

(3) The Lower Juba group: spoken by the part of the Northern Somali population which have immigrated into the Lower Juba region in the last 100/150 years. As this territory was a Benaadir-speaking area before the arrival of the immigrants from the north, the Nsom. of Lower Juba presents many peculiarities typical for the Benaadir dialects and could be considered a Benaadirized Nsom.



Mudug is not standard Somali. Mudug dialect can’t differentiate between R and Dh. Hence the usual “gogol xaar” (shit stained sheets) instead of “gogol xaadh” (reconciliation).

Another example is Gar = legal case, Gadh = beard. Mudug can’t differentiate between the two terms. So it’s Gar and Gar for both.



Lamberti conducted the most extensive research but he was not the only linguists to study Somali dialects. An earlier study was conducted in 1965 by John J. Pia of Indiana University.

He divided Somali dialects into four major dialect divisions:

(1) Isaaq Dialect
(2) Mudug Dialect
(3) Dir Dialect
(4) Benadir Dialect

John J. Pia described the Isaaq dialect as the dialect with the highest prestige in Somali.

[Seedyare]

A clueless weirdo divided Somali dielects into ;Isaaq ,Mudug ,Dir and Benadir dialects and yet again someone here is acknowleding the former's absurdity as a legit and worthwhile !


Why on earth did he left out ;

Ree Bari Dialect
Ree Waamo Dialect
Ree Joorre Dialect
Abgaal Dialect (not Benadiri)
Galbeed dialect -Most spoken by Somalis that border Oromo .Their Somali a bit sounds heavy and wordy .

Djiboutian Dialect (predominantly Ciisa)

Degodia and Ajuran dialects of Wajir .

And more importantly the GIANT ogaden dialect though it has notable sub dialects


Who is and who is not Dir? That is debatable but the widely accepted version is that Dir are a cluster of Somali clans who make up one of the two prominent northern Somali groups .Dir and Daarood .However , Majority of the those who identify with the Dir name in the present day are of course the Southern Dir .Simply put, Dir is too large to be associated with one dialect as they dont hail from one geographical zone .



Finally, Ogaden poets are far superior in every sense of the word.

[Xildiiid]

A clueless weirdo divided Somali dielects into ;Isaaq ,Mudug ,Dir and Benadir dialects and yet again someone here is acknowleding the former's absurdity as a legit and worthwhile !


Why on earth did he left out ;

Ree Bari Dialect
Ree Waamo Dialect
Ree Joorre Dialect
Abgaal Dialect (not Benadiri)
Galbeed dialect -Most spoken by Somalis that border Oromo .Their Somali a bit sounds heavy and wordy .

Djiboutian Dialect (predominantly Ciisa)

Degodia and Ajuran dialects of Wajir .

And more importantly the GIANT ogaden dialect though it has notable sub dialects


Who is and who is not Dir? That is debatable but the widely accepted version is that Dir are a cluster of Somali clans who make up one of the two prominent northern Somali groups .Dir and Daarood .However , Majority of the those who identify with the Dir name in the present day are of course the Southern Dir .Simply put, Dir is too large to be associated with one dialect as they dont hail from one geographical zone .



Finally, Ogaden poets are far superior in every sense of the word.

So a renowned American linguist is a clueless weirdo? Lol.

Luigi Robecchi Bricchetti, the man who coined the term “Somalia”, travelled the Somali Peninsula before colonialism and interviewed contemporary poets of different clan background and they all agreed that a man called “Gabay Xoog” was the best poet. The Italian explorer concluded after extensive interviews that the top 3 best poets of that time were all Isaaq. Are you going to dispute that as well without presenting any evidence?

[Seedyare]

A clueless weirdo divided Somali dielects into ;Isaaq ,Mudug ,Dir and Benadir dialects and yet again someone here is acknowleding the former's absurdity as a legit and worthwhile !


Why on earth did he left out ;

Ree Bari Dialect
Ree Waamo Dialect
Ree Joorre Dialect
Abgaal Dialect (not Benadiri)
Galbeed dialect -Most spoken by Somalis that border Oromo .Their Somali a bit sounds heavy and wordy .

Djiboutian Dialect (predominantly Ciisa)

Degodia and Ajuran dialects of Wajir .

And more importantly the GIANT ogaden dialect though it has notable sub dialects


Who is and who is not Dir? That is debatable but the widely accepted version is that Dir are a cluster of Somali clans who make up one of the two prominent northern Somali groups .Dir and Daarood .However , Majority of the those who identify with the Dir name in the present day are of course the Southern Dir .Simply put, Dir is too large to be associated with one dialect as they dont hail from one geographical zone .



Finally, Ogaden poets are far superior in every sense of the word.

So a renowned American linguist is a clueless weirdo? Lol.

Luigi Robecchi Bricchetti, the man who coined the term “Somalia”, travelled the Somali Peninsula before colonialism and interviewed contemporary poets of different clan background and they all agreed that a man called “Gabay Xoog” was the best poet. The Italian explorer concluded after extensive interviews that the top 3 best poets of that time were all Isaaq. Are you going to dispute that as well without presenting any evidence?

Bring on full account depicting his travels across the vast lands inhabited by the Somali .


Liugi was indeed clueless when it comes to Somali anthropology and that is quite apparent in his ridiculous comments on Somali dialects.


Qamaan ,Dhoodaan , Sayyidka, Ina Dage ,Ina Beenaleey and Rage are the best poets of all time .The evidence lies in their insurmountable poems that are widely acknowledged by all Somalis .

bring on the poems of Gabay xoog .To my knowledge Salaan Afloow ,Yawle and Qawdhan are the very best of all iidoor poets .

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I think the problem is it may be the ENGLISH LANGUAGE that presents a difficult understanding for you.

How can you even attempt to talk about language/linguistics when you fail at basic comprehension? The irony makes me chuckle.

Literally, you have brought exactly what I said, but have interpreted it very wrongly engaging in a very apparent illogical fallacy called "non-sequitur."

Non-sequitor basically means the PREMISE of what you are saying is true, but your CONCLUSION is absolutely false.

Since you are deeply emotionally invested in reaching this false conclusion, how about we use Lamberti's;


1. MAPs to gauge what Lamberti meant by "Northern Somali" as a general term to explain who the standard Somali is attributed to

Yes, Lamberti did say "Northern Somali" supplied the official language of the Somali Republic, but his classification of "Northern Somali" for that point is the COMMON SOMALI tongue that is spoken in Garbahaaray as it is in Boosaaso as it is in Hargeisa;

Here is his map to show what he meant by Northen Somali



See where Lamberti put NordSomali in Garbahaaray? I don't see any Isaaq there.

2. As if his MAP wasn't enough to show you he DID NOT MEAN ISAAQ when he said "Northern Somali" was the base of the Somali language standard, Lamberti actually EXPLAINED HIMSELF in his first and most exhaustive book.

His 200+ page German-language chief scholarly book on the subject titled Die Somali-Dialekte from 1983 (what you posted is a smal English language primer of his 1983 book prepared for the 1986 Somali Language Conference)

In Page 31 of Die Somali-Dialekte which was the seminal work of Lamberti

To further spread these dialects in recent years, the choice of dialect of Mudug has contributed to the national language of the Democratic Republic of Somalia. It is this Daarood dialect that is the source of publications in the Somali language, be it textbooks or literary works. Also, the use of a koiné of these dialects as means of communication of mass media (radio and magazines, etc.) as well as of school operations has led each Somali to understand and speak these dialects, as well as a second mother tongue, even if his own Dialect belongs to another group. The dialects of this group are also the best studied to date and their interest in them has increased even more since they set the national language of the country. Many publications have appeared, especially on Is. In the study of this dialect,

3. It's embarrassing how your entire position was built on bad comprehension of phraseology LITERALLY only relevant to direction. .

Lamberti called the Common Somali tongue "Northern Somali" because everything north of Beled-Weyne came under it in comparison to Af Maay and Af Banaadiir who occupied south-central.

So when he said "Northern Somali" was the base of standard Somali the word "northern" made you guys perk up.

Then when differentiating Northern Somali, he called the actually northern most region "proper North" (as in directionally proper) like how everything west of the Mississippi is the West to US East Coast but the 3 States of Oregon, Washington, and California are the proper West Coast.

It's literally bad comprehension and desperate intent because Lamberti HIMSELF explained just WHICH GROUP of "Northern Somali" he had in mind when he said that overall dialect is the base of standard Somali.

4. Why do you guys always come up with the ridiculous Gogo xaar.

Somali is a TONAL language. The entire gender/pitch/meaning/sound of a word changes based on tone.

Gogol xaar is not the same as "xaar". I literally pronounce them differently.

When saying Gogol "xaar," my tongue is literally stiff and flares at the wings near my molars. Also my tongue makes an indentation near the tip.

When saying the bathroom "xaar" my tongue is lazy and loose. 0 stress or stiffness.

Tone has many important uses in Somalia. For example it also makes gender sometimes. Look at the wors "inan"

I-nan with initial stressed tongue means boy
In-an with a very lazy and loose tongue means girl

5. No comment about what colonial writer said about any tribe bruhaha. How impressionable are you?

I can't count how many colonial writings I have read and the truth is it's the first tribe that gets to them that is their perspective on the people.

I have come across Marehan saying they don't give their girls to the Hawiye because they blow up the ass of their cows. Why would I need to bring that to anyone knowing ridiculous tribal prejudice was expressed?

6. Finally, please let this be a lesson to you. You guys have posted that embarrassing concoction literally everywhere when the Lamberti preempted you and explained exactly what he meant.

Next time do better research before embarrassing yourself.

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As usual you don’t know what you’re talking about. Garre dialect spoken in Somalia is the true ‘Af Garre’ and it is closer to Tunni and other similar dialects that fall under the May umbrella. ‘Af Garre’ spoken in Ethiopia and NFD is a Garre dialect of Borana.

For the Maxa dialect the standard form is Northern Somali. Cemented by linguist Marcelo Lambertis extensive field study. The northern Somali dialect, according to linguists, cluster with the Afar-Saho branch. As I mentioned before Beja and Afar-Saho are the most conservative form is Cushitic and thus closest to the original proto Cushitic language.

Its a bit disingenuous to call it northern dialect when it is spoken by majority of Somalis in the south, and it is the standard form of Somali.

Anyway I don't believe this crap that Afar-Saho and Beja have the purest form of cushetic, their language is not even national language of their country, furthermore are we gonna deny the fact that they are strongly influenced by Arabic or habesha languages ?

So what if they are not the national Language??? so are you saying Ogaden people are irrelevant because somali is not a national language in Ethiopia??

Somali is the state language of Somalia you silly boy there is no Beja, Afar, Saho states, and those languages are not the official languages of any state.