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Re: Why cayr are different from the other habar gidir

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Gubbet wrote: Fri Apr 07, 2023 12:11 am This is Karar Adan who is effectively replaced Ali Jubba as Gedo Regional Spokesman. Yet the only thing that consumes his FB is support to Las Anod, more than anything else including Madobe or what is going on in Gedo.

https://www.facebook.com/karar.adanrukow.

Yet the individual above mischaracterized my support for Las Anod against injustice as a "Somaliland obsession" or a position that is not even the normative MX position.

No, Sir, it is your views that are "not" the normative MX position---at all.

Sad, thanks. :up:
I just came back to the thread to congratulate you on your achievement in geocoding :lol:
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Re: Why cayr are different from the other habar gidir

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Raganimo :up: Although the congratulation goes to Ilkayar who are now on the map, anigu waxba kama aan dheefin.
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Re: Why cayr are different from the other habar gidir

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Uodates!!!

Google has sent me word they approved 1 new addition and 1 further correction.

Addition: Badrol Dadis is now on the map!

Correction: The infamous, infamous, infamous deprecated colonial era "Moro Arif" now reflects it's actual modern Marehan/Celi settlement name of Waal!!!

This is the 4th major correction after "Gureharago" which is really "Ceel Baxay" (El Bahay), "El Rago" which is really Cilaanle, and "Meghenlo" which is really Qorof!

The corrections get more joy out of me because Google is anal about the standard required for fix. I had to gather a shit load of documentary evidence for this!!!

But in any case, Badrol Dadis of Marehan/Rer Dalal & Marehan/Habar Ciise and Waal of Marehan/Celi are now on the map!

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Re: Why cayr are different from the other habar gidir

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Updates!

Got word about 7 approved additions;

1. Baalgoray!
2. Booso!
3. Eelay!
4. Godane!
5. Ariadays!
6. Yooale (Yoocaale)!

and

7. GARASLE!!!

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Something very interesting about Marehan central plateau settlement pattern as shown by Ceelasha and Ingabile as two shoulders and Ariadays and Yoocaale as two wings flanking Xeraale in between Caabudwaaq and Balanbale;

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The only thing I will say is whether Balanbale area or Dhabad-Saaxo areaor even between Balanbale-Caabudwaaq-Dhabad, Marehan;

1. Builds with Intention
2. Whatever is built is in-part built as a "security garrison."
3. What is being protected is Marehan grazing in Buuro.

That is all I will say.
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Gubbet wrote: Wed Apr 12, 2023 1:21 pm

7. GARASLE!!!

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Garasle the geographic term has for all intents and purposes replaced the relevance of the "Ceelgaab" name in terms of geographic relevance.

The historical term of "Shilaabo" lost meaning after the creation of the settlement of Shilabo implicating when the area became part of Ethiopia which meant the name Shilaabo became estranged from Marehan who live in the majority of the territory historically known as Shilaabo.

Marehan implicated the term of "Ceelgaab" which became more relevant and widely used for the Shilaabo territory until about the 1982 Menguste harrying which then separated Marehan from Lababaar wells.

Marehan from them on until the last 7years was 'spiritually' separated from Shilaabo even if he had continued to be with the biggest equity. In that time from "Ceel Habreed" was sort of used as reference.

When Mareham reconquered Garasle couple years ago, it meant there was no further "obstacle" between them and their historical boundary.

So "Garasle" has come to naturally define what is meant by "Shilaabo" territory since Marehan have never identified with and not even value the created Shilabo settlement.

Anything from the Somali border at Balanbale town and west until the highway is colloquially referenced "Garasle" south of Fadhigaraadle. In that matter it is like saying "Shilabo" which starts at Balanbale officially as the "woreda/district but does not necessarily imply Shilabo the actual settlement.

In the recent criminal attack on 5 innocent Marehan civilians, the location is called "Milixle" and it is part of the area whose base is Ari Qaruuf. However you would only see the other side implicating "Garasle" which is a reflection that since the Marehan reconquest of Garasle, Marehan has also taken back cultural referencing to "ownership" over the land.

-Garasle the settlement reconquered by Marehan
-Garasle then implicated as the reference to administrative identification of the landscape
-Cultural acceptance that the owner is back and where he sits is the administrative capital

Garasle, you will be turned into little New York. You will replace actual Shilabo settlement as the official administrative center of former Shilabo territory and Rer Warsame will be crowned King of Marehan of Qoroxeey.

Baliga Garasle!

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Gubbet wrote: Wed Apr 12, 2023 1:21 pm Updates!

Got word about 7 approved additions;

1. Baalgoray!
2. Booso!
3. Eelay!
4. Godane!
5. Ariadays!
6. Yooale (Yoocaale)!

and

7. GARASLE!!!

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Left out 2, the additions are actually 9;

8. Hodale (Xodale-Jeedeed)!
9. Bali Jibrail (Bali Jibraa'iil)!

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Re: Why cayr are different from the other habar gidir

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Updates!

Google has approved;

1. Dorshaan!
2. Digih Habarese!

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Special update!

The infamous Caabuduwaaq is no more! It has been changed to Caabudwaaq!

This was looking hopeless due to Caabudwaaq's size, importance, and sensitive border location (at least for Google), it looked like only something a 'government' entity could fix by reaching out to Google, but there you have it---it is done! I provided enough evidence to cause them to change it.

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No more CaabudUwaaq!
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According to Google maps Caabudwaaq falls in the mudug region, how come that is the case gubbet I’ve noticed that for a while now?
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Northkil wrote: Fri Apr 14, 2023 7:13 am According to Google maps Caabudwaaq falls in the mudug region, how come that is the case gubbet I’ve noticed that for a while now?
Good eye. So there is more to Google's incorrect map of Somalia than just the "border." After the border problem (for example putting Caabudwaaq in Ethiopia when both Ethiopia and Somalia recognize it as part of Somalia), ironically enough "Gedo Region" is the next big issue most people notice with Google, but there are a lot more problems as you have pointed out in this problem you noticed between Galgaduud and Mudug region.

So there are 3 major variations of Somalia's map;

1. The first variation I will call this Google variation, this variation has no official sponsorship by any authority anywhere:

Google

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2. This variation is the "official" UN map of Somalia and is based off of the position of Somalia's government however you would notice the border is similar to Google because "officially" Somalia and Ethiopia hasn't been demarcated and subsequently filed officially with the UN. So you would see Gedo Region is correct and so is Galgaduud-Mudug border but Somali-Ethio border isn't

The "de jure" map of Somalia ("legally existing")

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3. The last variation is the one you would find on OpenStreetMap (OSM) and this map is the map that most closely resembles the map of Somalia in practice. For example, the UN official map would have Caabudwaaq on the other side of border but in practice Caabudwaaq is handled as part of Somalia.

This is the "defacto" map of Somalia ("in practice")

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In this comparison, here is the Google version vs the UN map. You can see Google in red has a lot of problems more than just the border or Gedo region as you could see from the Galgaduud-Mudug border;

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However, as you can see from comparing the UN map in red to OSM, the official de facto map of Somalia also doesn't representnthe de jure in practice map of Somalia most strongly exhibited by the Somalia -Ethiopia border

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So essentially it is not just the Somalia-Ethiopia border that is a problem exhibited by Google because even their mapping of Galgaduud and Mudug, among many other regions like Gedo, Middle Jubba, Bay, Bakool, Hiiraan, Nugaal, Sool, Togdheer, Waqooyi Galbeed, and Awdal and even Middle Shabelle--are all incorrectly drawn by Google!

Caabudwaaq is not in Mudug and even "Gelinsoor," right at the actual border between Galgaduud and Mudugz is in fact just in "Galgaduud" administratively part of "Cadaado" district.
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Re: Why cayr are different from the other habar gidir

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What would it take to at least correct the middle Juba and gedo border?
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Sbashi wrote: Fri Apr 14, 2023 10:09 am What would it take to at least correct the middle Juba and gedo border?
Official government entity. Borders start wars and Google "has" been implicated in serious border hostilities so they are anal about this. Especially international borders official authorities from 1 side still won't do it.

However, I have not attempted to try a domestic border within a country like Gedo and Middle Jubba so perhaps this is an experiment worth trying. I am going to state right now it is probably safe to assume official government entity has to be implicated.

Still, let me give it a try going about this very meticulously. :P
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Gubbet wrote: Fri Apr 14, 2023 12:26 pm
Sbashi wrote: Fri Apr 14, 2023 10:09 am What would it take to at least correct the middle Juba and gedo border?
Official government entity. Borders start wars and Google "has" been implicated in serious border hostilities so they are anal about this. Especially international borders official authorities from 1 side still won't do it.

However, I have not attempted to try a domestic border within a country like Gedo and Middle Jubba so perhaps this is an experiment worth trying. I am going to state right now it is probably safe to assume official government entity has to be implicated.

Still, let me give it a try going about this very meticulously. :P
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Re: Why cayr are different from the other habar gidir

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Gubbet when will Caabuudwaq run for the future capital of Ethiopia
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