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Re: Isaaq get off Mareexaan land!

Postby Sadaam_Mariixmaan » Wed May 30, 2007 7:08 pm

Axmed bin Cabdiraxmaan(Daarood) bin Ismaaciil Al-Jabarti Cool

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Re: Isaaq get off Mareexaan land!

Postby X.Playa » Wed May 30, 2007 7:08 pm

Let see the entire poem: Ali dhuux addressing Cehif Warsame

Warsamoow haddaad guurti tahay oo wax garanayso
Gaar fooq leh kuma aad seexateen gobabka dhaadheer eh
Geyi aan xigaalkaa fadhiyin kuma go'doonteen eh
Nimanka aad garbaha haysato ee gacanta saarayso
Ee guudka kuu marin xinnaha baa ku gowriciye, Laughing
Adigoo ginaga raadcayn ayaa meel laguu galiye,
Gaadh baa lagaa qaban sidii goraygii dheeraaye,
Goombiyad af-leh iyo toorrey baa lagugu googooyn eh,
Hadad moodi gaaladu inay gacalow kuu heelin,
Garoomada kuwii lagu tolay iyo giibba duudsiye,
Maadigay garnayl kuula dhici gooshka habar yoonis,
God abeeso lama jiifsadoo haqalu guurayne,
Gucumaalo aar loogama gabado geedan celinaye, Laughing
Gabraar kaa hungyadaan arkee gura alaabtaada,
ka googooso geeri ha ku sugin guriga Iidoore.

Isn't obvious that line:

Eed guudka xinaa u marin baa ku gawrciye

was changed into:

Ee guudka kuu marin xinnaha baa ku gowriciye.

Gucumaalo aar loogama gabado geedan celinaye Laughing

Waar Candhoolow,

Show reerkiinu maba xishoodo , waaba umad bilaa damiir ah, bal waxad rag waaweyn ula imanaysaan eega, idinkoo is le balaayo iska dhiga, ugu yaraan caqli xumadiina waar maad gabagoo dhan badashaan ama tuducyada amaanta ah ee Habar Yoonis ka saartaan, at least then your change of that line's grammer would not have been noticed.

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Re: Isaaq get off Mareexaan land!

Postby Historian. » Wed May 30, 2007 7:14 pm

[quote="Sadaam_Mariixmaan"]Axmed bin Cabdiraxmaan(Daarood) bin Ismaaciil Al-Jabarti Cool[/quote]


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Re: Isaaq get off Mareexaan land!

Postby Advocatar » Wed May 30, 2007 7:51 pm

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Laughing Laughing joined just to talk abour mareexaan.................dammm Cool

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Re: Isaaq get off Mareexaan land!

Postby zackabdul » Wed May 30, 2007 8:38 pm

Damn since when did the Cali Saleban live in Galbeed? Are we talking about the MJ Cali Saleban?.. Confused I'm freakin confused.

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Re: Isaaq get off Mareexaan land!

Postby Cilmiile » Thu May 31, 2007 5:25 pm

[quote="X.Playa"]Candhoole,

I see you are already swimming on your own river of manure. You can't change a single line in the poem when the entire poem is talking to Warsame your chief.

How is it possible that Cali Dhuux in just before that line :

Ee Gadhka Xinaha kuu marin baa ku gowriciye

is saying:

Nimanka aad garbaa haysatood gacanta saarayso

how can all of a sudden in the second line he swiched from talking the Warsame to H.Y??

is it :
Nimanka aad garbaa haysatood gacanta saarayso
Ee Gadhka Xinaha kuu marin baa ku gowriciye

or is it this:

Nimankaad garbaa haystood gacanta saarayso
Ee gadhka xinaa u marin baa ku gawrciye Laughing

Lets assume even you are correct and Cali Dhuux was belittling the Habar Yoonis , and see if the rest of the poem attest to that:

How can he then say:

Hadaad gaalada moodi gacalow inay kuu hiilin
Oo garnayl kuula dhici gaanka Habar Yoonis
Garoomada kuwii lagu dilay iyo Giiba duudsiye

How can he say that? that the British even couldn't take revenge on Habar yoonis , when the Habar yoonis killed their Col. Adan Gibb? even using the word Duudsi which means no Diya or Mag was payed.


Again in the poem Cali Dhuux is comparing Habar Yoonis to a roaring lions that no tree can protect you Warsame from? so was it Warsame that applied Xina to Maxamed Col U Joog and Muruq Liqa's mane or was it those mighty lions Cali Dhuux revered to?

So how can that line not been doctored in the poem , how can the entire poem be directed against the humble deed of Warsame and dhulos to the might of the Habar Yoonis and all of a sudden just that line conterdict the them of the entire poem???

Nice try Candhoole your cousin Badow can play with that line in http://www.golkhatumo.com but any well versed Somali in potery can tell how it was changed from:

Ee gadhka xinaa u marin baa ku gawriciye

to:

Ee gadhka xinaa ku marin baa ku gawriciye.

But iam not surprised at all the Dhilos are so desprate to hide and fiddle with somali poem to hide their shame of applying xine to the Habar Yoonis lion's mane as Cali Dhuux in his final days pointed to.[/quote]

Xaar you posted the entire poem and its meaning and the circumstances of its creation are obvious to anyone who has half a brain and an understanding Somali poetry.

In the aftermath of the gutless and craven murder of Xaaji Cumar Camey, Cali Dhuux is warning this man Warsame who is being feted by the Habar Yoonis to be on his guard.

Despite their ostentatious welcome and fawning that included dying his hair, the Muuse Ismaaciil hair dressers were trying to defuse the anger and rage of the Dhulbahante.

Cali Dhuux is warning him of the treacherous and gutless ways of the Habar Yoonis. The lion doestn refer to Habar Yoonis. It refers to manifest danger of any kind. As is the reference to the creepy crawly Abeeso animals(I wonder why you didnt compare Habar Yonis to Abeeso, no flattering? Very Happy )

Both Cali Dhuux and Warsame are inside "Guriga Iidoor". They are in Burco. Cali Dhuux is warning him to be on his guard because the gutless and guttersnipe Habar Yoonis killed Xaaji Cumar(Goraygii Dheeraa) also in Burco.

The remoteness of the Habar Yoonis tribe from the notions from Glory and Leonine Bravery is vast and immeasurable. Associating a lion with Habar Yoonis is so ridiculous it is enough to make a cat laugh. Laughing Laughing What other tribe in the history of Somalia has murdered itenirant travellers passing through or staying in their land? Is that the mark of Glory? Or Bravery? I beg to differ.

As for Gibb, Are u stupid when you say that his murder was not avenged? Habar Yoonis lost most of their land as a direct result of that action when all Habar Yoonis fled to Ogaadeeniya to run away from the English collective punishment orders. It was only last year that a Habar Yoonis elder was telling me that most of Togdheer belonged to Habar Yoonis and Burco was exclusively Habar Yoonis. He said Habar Jeclo used to bring Alaska, xaabada iyo xabagta from the mountains. I said what happened? and he said we ran away from the vengeful English after we murdered Gibb.

After the Ogaadeens also kicked you out of Doollo, no wonder you were drinking Uusmiirka and Garowga naaguhu milaan iyo madax Ugaadheed.

And today that you are starving unless you get Donated Qamadi from the Tigre government.

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Re: Isaaq get off Mareexaan land!

Postby Cilmiile » Thu May 31, 2007 5:30 pm

Ceel Xumiyo Oodweyne waa laga carceeraaye
Kala carartay Habar yoonistii calanku saarnaaye
Dhamaan cali siciid iyo Ugaadh Cuurka baho oo dhan
Cigaal aadan, Muusa Cabdalliyo curubti reer Beyle
Cabdalliyo kaliil kama cabbaan ceelashii Bogoxe
Cilmi Qabille waa kaa ka raray xalay Cadaadleeye
Ceeg kuma furaan reer Xuseen ama Caleen weyne
Xirsi Bari wuxuu ciirayaa cidhifki Doolloode
Caynaanshihii Wadhan fadhiyey Caado kor u dhaafye
Laba Muuse ceerigan dhaxay caas la oloshaaye
Haddaan caawa nabad kuu ogahay kuma canaadeene
Cugcug kuuma oodeen sidii cuud ammaana ahe
Candhadiyo mudkaaguna sidii calal ma duubmeene
Sidii cududa gaab nimuu kelyaa calaliyoo jiidhay
Cidhin waxan la jiifaaba waa cadhiyo waabay e
Candhagoyseyohow hayga ridin col iyo haadaane
Sidaan caasi kaa galay ha qubin caano koob le'ege
Cunimaysid deegaan intuu Caarshe noolyahaye


CUNI MEYSID DEEGAAN INTUU CAARSHE NOOLYAHAYE

Caarshe is Sir Geofrey Archer who was present at the Durbar in Burco where Captain Gibb was murdered. He ordered the Habar Yoonis to be immiserated and abused. Until they cried.

For an account of this incident one can read the JSTOR archives and search for an essay by one Patrick Kakwenzire.

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Re: Isaaq get off Mareexaan land!

Postby X.Playa » Thu May 31, 2007 6:07 pm

Candhoole,

Indeed its very obvious from the poem who was dying who is hair,

Nimanka aad garbaha haysato ee gacanta saarayso
Ee guudka xinnaha u marin baa ku gowriciye,
Adigoo ginaga raacadnayaa meel laguu galiye,
Gaadh baa lagaa qaban sidii goraygii dheeraaye,
Goombiyad af-leh iyo toorraa lagugu googooyne,
Hadad moodi gaaladu inay gacalow kuu hiilin,
Goroomada kuwii lagu dilay iyo Giibba duudsiye,
Maadigay garnayl kuula dhici gooshka habar yoonis,
God abeeso lama jiifsadoo haqalu guurayne,
Gucumaalo aar loogama gabado geedan celinaye,
Gabraar kaa hungyadaan arkee gura alaabtaada,
ka googooso geeri ha ku sugin guriga Iidoore.

And its very obvious that the English couldn't even avenge Adan Gibb and even Cali Dhuux points that out:

Hadad moodi gaaladu inay gacalow kuu hiilin,
Goroomada kuwii lagu dilay iyo Giibba duudsiye,
Maadigay garnayl kuula dhici gooshka habar yoonis.

If you think you (warsame) that the English will defend you
For those of their own killed in the plaines went unavenged
And if so do you think they will harol a grande on your behave against the H.Y?

Cali Dhuux was warnning Warsame that dying the Habar Yoonis tribal chief's beards would not save him from the fate of those who were killed before him, namely the most famous Dhilos cheifs, whom the Muuse Ismaaciil salughtered :

1- Caaqil Xaaji Cumar Cami
2- Caaqil Axmed Cige Sii-Arag
3-Caaqil Jaamac Cali Nuur
4-Caaqil Heybe Axmed Kaar.

The Ogaadeen ashamed of been realted to the Qurjiile after the Habar Yoonis almost litearly molested the Qurjiile were not statisfied with Caasho Dhuux, Adan Carab and Samatar Baxnaan, in 1948 during a meeting of H.Y, Harti, Ogaadeen and H.Jeclo organized by the British goverment , Maxamed Cumar Dage again pointed to the histroical humilation of the Xaarti even depicting them as nothing but a "maryo weyn" meaning women:

Murdud Reebe[1] gabaygaan kal horre, uunka maqashiiyey
Een midhaha Daarood dhex dhigay, mucurtiduu reebay
Ee muunsanoowgiyo ahaa, hiil u mara xoorka
Een muqadimiintii la jaray[2], ugu muraaqooday
Gabaygaan Hartiga maaxiyiyo, Mudug raggii joogay
Gabaygaan u maakibay in loo, mudo masaalkooda
Martaan xidhanay Habar Yoonistii, murunku noo yiilay
Niman madaxyo weyn ahoo, muhindisoonaaya
Anigoo Macbuudbaw hayee, malag la doonaaya
Gabaygaan magaalada lahaa, meyd halaga qaado
Abtir lagama maydhiyo nimaad, mini wadaagtaane
Ficil waa musiibee intaan, gibil madoobaaday
Lagu maadsay goortaan lahaa, waa la murugoone
Gabaygaan manaabada[3] lahaa, maqan ku raadcayso
Raggii aaro looguma maqnoo, waaba loomarag e
Malahay khasaaryeey sideen, ugu muraad seegay
Inay midigta qaadaan lawaa, miidha Habarwaaye[4]
Milgihii Shirshooraan[5] sugayn, muuno duul gob ahe
Mulkigii Garaad Faaraxoow,[6] idinka maaroowye
Dadku magaca waw wada jiray, midhaha Daarood e
Jifadaase lala maadhi jiray, maydh la oloshaaye
Wax maqaanihii la gala baxay, maanta Reer Hagar e
Inuu miilo gabay Reer Cameey, maqal Ogaadeen e
Marwo jabbe markii lagu jarriyo, murankii qoolabe
Milgo xumo Bah Dahabaan lahaa, milicsan maayaane
Maxamuud Gureey iyo Bilow, malihii beenoowye
Mara-wenyta Reer Faaraxoow, deyse murankiiye[7]
Mayal-qabad[8] ka dhimay Reer Cigaal,[9] meel uu joogaba e
Reer Maxamed[10] muuniyo ka samir, magac wanaagiiye
Haweenkuba martoo laga furooy, mahad ku sheegtaane
Macbuudkii abuuriyo siddaa, Maalligow galaye
Wax la mid ah qabiil magag ahoo, miidha qaayibaye
Laga maarsay laba Muuse iyo, mohosho Reer Cawle
Warsangali u mari yaan Hartiga, gabalkii moogaane
Majeerteen u sheeg xaajadaa, waa mashaqo weyne
Kuwii ficilka maamuli ogaa, wada muhiibsiiya
Maxamuud Saleebaan u mari, madaxyo weyntiisa
Bal in ay dhabliga[11] meeriyaan, aad u maqashiiya

At least Cheif Warsame saved his skinne by cressing the mane of Maxamed Col U Joog.

Now Candhoole are you going to argue that your own Daarood ogaadeen were just exagerating? and you were just nibbed in the butt and not really molested?
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Re: Isaaq get off Mareexaan land!

Postby DawladSade » Thu May 31, 2007 6:10 pm

Battle of the Odayo II Laughing

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Re: Isaaq get off Mareexaan land!

Postby Cilmiile » Thu May 31, 2007 6:22 pm

XaarPlaya

I am very sorry that you have been reduced to cribbing Cali Dhuux haters Doollo.com, not renowned for the depth of their historical knowledge and context.

Of the 4 men mentioned only two were killed by Habar Yoonis. They are the Aadan Hagar elders who were murdered by Habar Yoonis, one in Burco and the other in Berbera to avenge the 11 Habar Yoonis killed at Harawaati

Galgal buu degaa Hagar Aadan kamana guuraane
Guryuhu waysu muuqdaan haddaad gegi istaagtaane
Goroorkii Maxamed Carab cunay weli ma gaaajoone

Talaaba Xariir cried


Ina Aadan Dacar lamented

Hagar Aadan waa ii siman yahee haybi odhan maayo
Hayaag iyo kolan Khaalid helo hilib la'aan maayo

They didnt go and make war on Dhulbahante but instead they chose to kill two travellers in their own land.

Maxamed Cumar Dage, the Great Ogaadeen poet, was justifiably bragging and extolling the virtues of the Ogaadeen who belatedly heeded Cali Dhuux's famous call to beat down and abuse the Cowardly Habar Yoonis, the most gutless(but boastful) of the Isaaq tribes. Maxamed Cumar Dage is using the murders of Xaaji Cumar Camey and Axmed Cige to have a go at the Dhulbahante and pay back Cali Dhuux. And Cali Dhuux accepted Dage's words. And Habar Yoonis were hunted down by Reer Hagar, the clan of the two elders, until they were afraid to travel the Hawd unless in a convoy of 1000 English Soldiers.

Reer Hagar iyo Khaalidkaan Hawd u mari waayay

Dhulbahante sowed fear and foreboding into the chicken hearts of the Habar Yoonis. Laughing Laughing Laughing


PS

I am surprised Doollo.com administrator doesnt even realize Jaamac Cali Nuur whose murder by the Barkad subclan of Dhulbahante occasioned about 40 poems(some of them famous across the land) and led to the eventual imprisonment of Ismaaciil Mire.

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Re: Isaaq get off Mareexaan land!

Postby Samatr » Fri Jun 01, 2007 3:55 am

Come on guys subclans of HY and reer Hagar have made peace. Laughing

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Re: Isaaq get off Mareexaan land!

Postby WACAYSA IS GALE » Wed Jun 06, 2007 6:50 pm

DAMEER AN AQLI LAHEYN HOW IRONIC KUYE
1 - DAROOD USED ITALIANS & ETHIOPIANS LOOOOOOL
2 - CALI SALEBAN IYO DHULBAHANTE ISLA DEGA KKKKKKKKKKK ISMA BA ARKAN
3- DHULOOZ HAWD MA DEGAAN LOOL MOST OF FARAAX GARAAD( AHMED GARAAD AND MAHAMED GARAAD) ABDI GARAAD HAYAAG KHALID YAHAYE AND MORE TRIBES LIVE IN ETHIOPIA

DHULKA DHULOOS EY KA DEGAAN ETHIOPIA WAKUWAAN

WARDHEER PROVINCE OF THE SOAMLI STATE OF ETHIOPIA.

Degmada Bookh.

Domco.

Dameer-cad.

Wanaagsan.

Goob.

Marqaan.

Adhi-maal.

Jarmalo.

Aan-galo

Burburis.

Jiingadda.

Madax-gaal.

Coon-baal

Degmada Danood.

Dannood

Boqonka.

Sararweyne.

Badhifufye.

Farda laaye.

Qudhac-dhalaan.

Qararro-weyn

Tuurwareen.

Heegaale.

Laandheer.

Farhareeri.

Xirsi macaf.

Hira.

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Re: Isaaq get off Mareexaan land!

Postby Khalid Ali » Thu Sep 15, 2011 12:18 pm

4 Years later Isaaq leaders moved to Kismayo and gedo with a group of pakistanis and afghans and Gaaljecel foot soldiers :lol:


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