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There was a time I truly believed in their ideologies and thought they were the solution to many social ailments that are widespread in much of the Muslim world. That they wanted to establish Shari'ah rule & uphold the religion of Islam. Bring peace & stability, right all the injustices that were rampant in the society, sort of bring back a resemblance to the old Khalifah days.

But lately, I've come to realize these two are nothing but a bunch of deluded & self-righteous nincompoops. In their eagerness to establish their rule, they have violated many sanctities starting with not shedding the blood of a Muslim. Their disregard for Muslim life is what has put me off more than anything else & their blatant abuses of the Shari'ah. At first, when the Taliban & Al-shabaab were fighting kuffaar armies, the loss of civilians could be excused, but how can anyone excuse their actions after Ethiopia has pulled out & Taliban are fighting to bring down Pakistan whose Mushrik next door neighbor is dying to invade?

I see them as hypocrites that should be dealt with at any cost. They have no respect for the religious community, no respect for the lives of the civilians, no long-term goals, no vision, no rationalizing, no concept of comprimising. All they have is a fanatical obsession to rule & this zeal is a very costly one that does not promise any solution in the long-term.

My sentimenents exactly!

Their actions scream the manhaj of Khawarij in every shape and form and I'm referring to their leaders, not their brainwashed infantry. I remember listening to a lecture of Sheikh Fawzan (may Allah preserve him) when he said that their ideology encompasses 3 aspects:

1) The most commoners making a takfir on the Muslims
2) Making Muslim blood xalaal
3) Rebellion at every cost and opportunity

It is a tribulation, Somalis, ignorant of their own Diin, blindly support anyone who screams Allahu Akbar whilst not questioning whether that moron carries the sound creed.

Kolombo
I hope you took no offense in my posting as I did not mean to be disrespectful. You're so naïve sxb. Having said that, you should have known these are uneducated religious fanatics that are bent on tearing down their country.


Le justicier

Taliban & Al-shabaab = Khawarij.

Kolombo, Welcome to the real world..and the plus 30 mentality and mind.

No wonder why they target teenagers and those in their early 20s to execute their crazy suicide missions/bombs...
Those so called leaders...Instead of educating the populace, they would rather have them ignorant and subservient to them.

Muslims need to be educated..as the first word of the quran is "Iqra" ..Read..and guess what?? since the mongol invasion and destruction of Iraq some 1000 yrs ago..
the muslim ummah have been lagging in everything..because of dictators who decided to keep them ignorant and unaware of what was going on in the world.

You want an example of how good education is to everything we do , including perfecting our religion?? check Malaysia.

Its unfortunate that the only viable alternative to corrupt dictators is these nutters. Whatever happened to taking the middle ground? And giving priorities to more important things? They mislead the masses by painting themselves as protectors of the religion & as pious individuals, while they deny the people a chance at peace and stability. I'm truly convinced these guys don't give a shit about the masses, but are only interested in being the only ones who rule. Ruling at all cost, how are they any different than the dictators they fight?

Fuad shogale oo mar dhahaayo sheikh sharef waa Imiirka somalia marna waa murtad
Fuad shangole oo naagta shiekh sharef ka furay.


xassan turki calling shiekh sharef shiekh ahmed shiekh xussan shiekh cabdulaha shiekh mahamuud shiekh omar a Murtad

http://www.kataaib.net/sh%20xassan%20turki.mp3

You all are punch of baist. alshabaab solely is not responsilbe what is going in somalia. they secrifesed thier lives to drive the warlords and all other thugs out of somalia. they do not rape, they do not steal, they do not discriminate people base to thier tribe. areas that is thier under controll, they brought piece that even americans cities where thousond of people are die every day due to DUI or gang fighting do not have. you can not simply judge some one base what yo heard the baist media.

where were you when million of somalis were dying back cuz warlord thugs were stealing and robbing world food brograms food before thier reach thier intended destination. are not this same warlords part of sharif goverment. are not the world were sillent about it and to add insult to the injurt, supporting with weapons and money those warlords.

They are Khawarij saxib simple as nothing else.

Kuush:they do not rape, they do not steal,

This is very fun,are they human or angels?

Allahu Akbar , glad to have you back sheikh Kolombo

Kolombo, tell that to misguided Voltage who prays for the entire country to fall under Al Shabaabs rule.

Kolombo bro, I ask you the same question I asked in the topic about cutting hands:

So who do you support generally? Current leaders who rule by kufr, wage war against islam ideologically and are secularizing their people and institutions day by day and support USA and other countries in physical war against muslims?

Or are you waiting for a third option that is perfect without mistakes that will never come?

These groups that you talk about may have ghuluu in some issues and no doubt they make mistakes, like every single person in this world. But they are trying to bring islamic governance that will replace governance by kufr and they are trying to bring cizza to muslims, to replace people who are against islam and muslims. So which one is better, and can muslim really prefer current order?

Are mistakes by these groups reason strong enough not to support them and forget islam ever getting back the cizza? Have you studied Islamic history and governance of Umayads, Abbasids and Ottomans not to mention hundreds of smaller kingdoms in muslim world? After khulafaa ur raashidiin you find great mistakes in governance and many other issues, like you will find in every single society. Again, no one is perfect and free of mistakes, but the thing that counts is what they are doing and what are their objectives. And what we need and what is fard on this ummah is establishing an islamic state.

Are you following the advice of scholars of rulers, who say that until there is 100% tawhiid and muslims are almost perfect, there's no sharica, jihad or anything that affects society politically? This day will never come before Ciisaa, and this way Wallaahi is a way to destruction of Islam. A way to passivate and secularize muslims, so in the end only they think that religion is inside the masjid.

And if you are following some particular shuyukh that say something to this fashion, try to search if they had fataawaa about the Soviet war in Afghanistan. And by studying the history we'll find out that this war had the same problems that conflict areas and groups have today. And still jihad and support for it was compulsory. Now compare these fatwas to fatwas of today in exactly the same situations, and you'll maybe realize there might be something else behind them than sincerity.

Salahuddiin wrote:Kolombo bro, I ask you the same question I asked in the topic about cutting hands:

So who do you support generally? Current leaders who rule by kufr, wage war against islam ideologically and are secularizing their people and institutions day by day and support USA and other countries in physical war against muslims?

Or are you waiting for a third option that is perfect without mistakes that will never come?

Salaam, bro. I do not support today's corrupt leaders since they rule by kufr and oppress the masses. I also no longer support today's Islamist movements, because their intentions are no longer sincere. Maybe intitially at some point their hearts were pure, but lately all they are after is for them to rule by any means necessary. It doesn't matter how many die in the process, how much of the Shari'ah they abuse, how many transgressions they make e.g. doing takfiir on other Muslims & making their blood halaal, etc. This is not the way of the Prophet (saw). Its fitnah. Al-shabaab have become a disappointment because they have isolated themselves & chose to live on another planet, in the process losing all common sense & refusing to compromise. We live in the 21st century, no Western country is going to let them take over Somalia and rule. Let's be realistic. And sadly the moment the AC 130 bombers come, they will run off in to the woods, leaving behind the people to be bombed & invaded as they always do.

Kolombo,

When the Khawaarij broke of from Ali RA and called Him a Kaffir, Abdullah Ibn Abbas RA visited them and He said I noticed two things from them:


I never saw anybody excersise "Iijtihaad" as much as them
I never saw anybody worship as much as them


If You observe these Khawaarj groups today and their supporters You'll see How they use the Ayaats and Ahadiith do ijtihaad on it and use it for their benefit