DIr iyo Darood?

[Twisted_Logic]

Cali_Gaab

i knew it i knew it , All gadabuursis are Gadabuursiis But not all samaroons Are Gadabuursis

[Murax]

Caligaab,

Dir don't claim You because #1 they do not need You, and number 2 because You Guys have a serious identity crisis. But ask any Soomali Oday, Somalia=Dir. Even Your Hero Ibraahim Cigaal, said this openly.


TFG 4.5 System

Dir 61 Xubnood

1__ Isaaq--------------------------------------- 28 [click here ama guji halkaan]

2__ Gadabuursi---------------------------------9 [click here ama guji halkaan]

3__ Ciise-----------------------------------------8 [click here ama guji halkaan]

4__ Dirta Koonfureed-----------------------16 [click here ama guji halkaan]


total-----61




Hawiye 61 Xubnood

1__ Mudulood ------------------- 15 [click here ama guji halkaan]

2__ Habargidir--------------------12 [click here ama guji halkaan]

3__ Xawadle------------------------8 [click here ama guji halkaan]

4__ Murusade---------------------7 [click here ama guji halkaan]

5__ Gaaljecel ----------------------5 [click here ama guji halkaan]

6__ Gugundhabe-------------------5 [click here ama guji halkaan]

7__ Duduble-------------------------4 [click here ama guji halkaan]

8__ Sheqaal-------------------------3 [click here ama guji halkaan]

9__ Silcis-----------------------------1 [click here ama guji halkaan]

10__ Wadalaan---------------------1 [click here ama guji halkaan]

11__ Xaskul-------------------------0




Daarood 61 Xubnood

1__ Harti -------------------------- 27 [click here ama guji halkaan]

2__ Mareexaan-------------------14 [click here ama guji halkaan]

3__ Absame------------------------12 [click here ama guji halkaan]

4__ Leelkase-----------------------5 [click here ama guji halkaan]

5__ Awrtable -----------------------3 [click here ama guji halkaan]

[Twisted_Logic]

Murux,

It is hard to take these Somali "odayaal" serious. They also believe that Xawadle, Degodi, Ajuuran, Gaal Jecel, Sheeqaal and Sacad are not Hawiye. Basically, take whatever they say with a pinch of salt

[Cali_Gaab]

Stupid fock indeed, is that stupid list supposed to enforce your 'argument'? Kani waa neef.
'They don't need you' iyo 'you have a identity crisis' doesn't hold any merit here.

Regarding Cigaal, show me a video or a trustworthy source with such a statement. (don't even go anywhere near jaalesiyaad.com). What odayaal do you want me to refer to? The ones that share your lineage or those idiots that went along with your propoganda? Bring me a good number of Dirs that say we are Dir beyond a doubt.

Fairytales should be confined to your bedroom walls and alcoholic kin.

[Murax]

Murux,

It is hard to take these Somali "odayaal" serious. They also believe that Xawadle, Degodi, Ajuuran, Gaal Jecel, Sheeqaal and Sacad are not Hawiye. Basically, take whatever they say with a pinch of salt

Well what I mean by "Odayaal" is basically Somali consensus. Most young Somali folks are pretty ignorant when it comes to clans. I mean, Odayaal don't know much in life but the one thing they know is clan. Even the TFG which Has a PhD in Somali clan dynamics is aware of this fact.


As for Xawaadle folklore or not, everybody recognises them as Hawiye today.

[Cali_Gaab]

Cali_Gaab

i knew it i knew it , All gadabuursis are Gadabuursiis But not all samaroons Are Gadabuursis

One of Emperiors moments

[Twisted_Logic]

Murux,

It is hard to take these Somali "odayaal" serious. They also believe that Xawadle, Degodi, Ajuuran, Gaal Jecel, Sheeqaal and Sacad are not Hawiye. Basically, take whatever they say with a pinch of salt

Well what I mean by "Odayaal" is basically Somali consensus. Most young Somali folks are pretty ignorant when it comes to clans. I mean, Odayaal don't know much in life but the one thing they know is clan. Even the TFG which Has a PhD in Somali clan dynamics is aware of this fact.


As for Xawaadle folklore or not, everybody recognises them as Hawiye today.

I am quite Shakespearean on these matter.

"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers: for he today that sheds his blood with me shall be my brother."

A Marehan person that has the same values as me is closer to me than a Mudulood that doesn't.

[Twisted_Logic]

Cali_Gaab

i knew it i knew it , All gadabuursis are Gadabuursiis But not all samaroons Are Gadabuursis

One of Emperiors moments

Emperior kinda lost his golden touch. Used to be funny as fuck before

[Murax]

Well what I mean by "Odayaal" is basically Somali consensus. Most young Somali folks are pretty ignorant when it comes to clans. I mean, Odayaal don't know much in life but the one thing they know is clan. Even the TFG which Has a PhD in Somali clan dynamics is aware of this fact.


As for Xawaadle folklore or not, everybody recognises them as Hawiye today.

I am quite Shakespearean on these matter.

Yea, dude but this was no attack in Isaaqs, I'm just letting them know what most Somalis believe

"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers: for he today that sheds his blood with me shall be my brother."

A Marehan person that has the same values as me is closer to me than a Mudulood that doesn't.

None of My close friends are from My clan, even though there are plenty in My area. Using clan is a bad criterion to pick inner circles and friends



Caligaab,

As I said earlier, I don't know why this is a touchy subject. Infact I hate even mentioning it, because in the process it seems as if Your illogical and irrational denial of being Dir, may give the impression to somebody that something is wrong with Dir, even though they are a well respected group. For that reason, raaxeeso, You are whatever You say You are. Just expect to hear what I'm saying from several other Somalis mouth

[lali99]

Murax

1)GO see a gadabuuri or cisee which are dir and ask them if isaaq are dir and tell me how hard they laugh at your face...
2) refere me to a reference that states that isaaq are dir before 2004
3) CIgaal (AUN) was a politician man which is totally different from a clan elder--bring a reference which states that odayaal isaaq aa mentionned that they were dir

Stop living in a fantasy land

[lali99]

Murux,

It is hard to take these Somali "odayaal" serious. They also believe that Xawadle, Degodi, Ajuuran, Gaal Jecel, Sheeqaal and Sacad are not Hawiye. Basically, take whatever they say with a pinch of salt

Well what I mean by "Odayaal" is basically Somali consensus. Most young Somali folks are pretty ignorant when it comes to clans. I mean, Odayaal don't know much in life but the one thing they know is clan. Even the TFG which Has a PhD in Somali clan dynamics is aware of this fact.


As for Xawaadle folklore or not, everybody recognises them as Hawiye today.

What somali consensus?.. Tell me why will isaaq deny their own lineage if they were dir? They were no consensus and this notion of dir was just brought up in 2004 when AY was president of TFG at a moment were isaaq were not present at the consultation table. i hope you understand where isaaq folks are coming from when discussing this subject. Is like you calling by an other name when im telling you that is not.

[Cali_Gaab]

There's nothing wrong with Dir, however...when there's no proof and you resort to just uttering some stupid shit that doesn't make sense ( or makes sense to a selected group) then it becomes a problem. Anyways, go get your boys to do their dna tests because as of right now, i don't even know if i'm speaking to a 'Daarood'.

[Murax]

There's nothing wrong with Dir, however...when there's no proof and you resort to just uttering some stupid shit that doesn't make sense ( or makes sense to a selected group) then it becomes a problem. Anyways, go get your boys to do their dna tests because as of right now, i don't even know if i'm speaking to a 'Daarood'.

looool, thats fine Wallahi I don't care if You consider Me Darood or not.

The bottom line is Soomalidu know:

Marexaan as Darood
Isaaq as Dir


Whether both really are or not is not the issue I'm just telling You Soomalidu waxay isku waafaqeen, waxne dhiig kar haa ka qaadanin

Lail,

Don't kill the messenger walaal

[Twisted_Logic]

Horta Darodka inaba caadi ma'aha

They are the only Somali clan that argues with others what their clan structure is.

[Cali_Gaab]

Murax is not daarood though. He's a marexaan of which it's lineage is not even pure