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Sheikh Sharif Is Really Wadaad this days

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Re: Sheikh Sharif Is Really Wadaad this days

Postby Kukri » Sun Oct 03, 2010 11:33 am

waayeel abgaal iyo weyl o'aad ninkii wax siista iska le!

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Re: Sheikh Sharif Is Really Wadaad this days

Postby Executive » Sun Oct 03, 2010 11:34 am

HutuKing01

Don't you believe in hadiths? How to pray is not mentioned in Quran either.

Touching women is not makhruh, Its haram just like the hadith says.
You see ppl like you believes that if you shake hands or you dont short your pants you will go to hell even if you pray thousdands prayers.
Thats why i said there is no spirituality with wahabis, only forcing while Allah swt said la ikraah fi deen.


I have never said that, stop lying. Only Allah knows who will go to hell.

La ikraah fi deen means no compulsion in Islam, that doesn't mean you should lying and misinterpret Islam. Either take it or leave it.

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Re: Sheikh Sharif Is Really Wadaad this days

Postby AhlulbaytSoldier » Sun Oct 03, 2010 11:49 am

^i dont follow your view of islam, and you dont follow my view of islam so khalas.

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Re: Sheikh Sharif Is Really Wadaad this days

Postby LobsterUnit » Sun Oct 03, 2010 11:50 am

There is nothing wrong with shaking women proffesionally.
But if you are corrupted by sexual desires then you should not shake hand with opposite gender.

Salafis/wahabis are too much focused on little details such as shortening pants, shaking hands and so on. Growing beard, forcing women to wear niqab/hijab.

All these things are minor. You can do it or leave it!

They forget the spiritual side of islam.
According to the Shafici Madhab you claim to follow, shaking hands with a women is haram( not disliked as you claim) and worser than staring at a women. The latter is the opinion of Imam Nawawi, for example.Now, I am not saying I am perfect or that i have never shook hands with a women, but there is no need to deny the obvious and clear things which the muslims have consensus over. Don't let your hatred of Salafis drive to deny things which there is ijmac, for denial of ijmac leads to kufr.

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Re: Sheikh Sharif Is Really Wadaad this days

Postby Executive » Sun Oct 03, 2010 11:52 am

^i dont follow your view of islam, and you dont follow my view of islam so khalas.


Theres only one Islam, I don't know what you are talking about. :|

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Re: Sheikh Sharif Is Really Wadaad this days

Postby Kukri » Sun Oct 03, 2010 11:58 am

talking about 'My View Of islam and Your view of islam'...

Islam isnt like a "reversible" jacket.

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Re: Sheikh Sharif Is Really Wadaad this days

Postby Advo » Sun Oct 03, 2010 3:13 pm

talking about 'My View Of islam and Your view of islam'...

Islam isnt like a "reversible" jacket.

:lol: :lol: :lol: wrong username

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Re: Sheikh Sharif Is Really Wadaad this days

Postby RuralMan08 » Sun Oct 03, 2010 3:55 pm

Leave the donkey alone. Dameer maxaa ka sugeeysaa?

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Re: Sheikh Sharif Is Really Wadaad this days

Postby Enlightened~Sista » Sun Oct 03, 2010 6:38 pm


According to the Shafici Madhab you claim to follow, shaking hands with a women is haram( not disliked as you claim) and worser than staring at a women. The latter is the opinion of Imam Nawawi, for example.Now, I am not saying I am perfect or that i have never shook hands with a women, but there is no need to deny the obvious and clear things which the muslims have consensus over. Don't let your hatred of Salafis drive to deny things which there is ijmac, for denial of ijmac leads to kufr.

Imam Shaafici also believed that touching a woman nullifies a man's wudhuu.A Muslim husband must make wudhuu if his wife touches him for instance.

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Re: Sheikh Sharif Is Really Wadaad this days

Postby Executive » Mon Oct 04, 2010 8:12 am



Imam Shaafici also believed that touching a woman nullifies a man's wudhuu.A Muslim husband must make wudhuu if his wife touches him for instance.


Sorry abaayo but Shafici said touching a women except muhrams would nullify your wudu.

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Re: Sheikh Sharif Is Really Wadaad this days

Postby surrender » Mon Oct 04, 2010 9:26 am


According to the Shafici Madhab you claim to follow, shaking hands with a women is haram( not disliked as you claim) and worser than staring at a women. The latter is the opinion of Imam Nawawi, for example.Now, I am not saying I am perfect or that i have never shook hands with a women, but there is no need to deny the obvious and clear things which the muslims have consensus over. Don't let your hatred of Salafis drive to deny things which there is ijmac, for denial of ijmac leads to kufr.

Imam Shaafici also believed that touching a woman nullifies a man's wudhuu.A Muslim husband must make wudhuu if his wife touches him for instance.

not tru!!! he said if a man touches NON-MEHREM woman then his wudu is nullified.

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Re: Sheikh Sharif Is Really Wadaad this days

Postby Kukri » Mon Oct 04, 2010 9:29 am

talking about 'My View Of islam and Your view of islam'...

Islam isnt like a "reversible" jacket.

:lol: :lol: :lol: wrong username

what do you mean?...

lol

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Re: Sheikh Sharif Is Really Wadaad this days

Postby grandpakhalif » Mon Oct 04, 2010 9:31 am


According to the Shafici Madhab you claim to follow, shaking hands with a women is haram( not disliked as you claim) and worser than staring at a women. The latter is the opinion of Imam Nawawi, for example.Now, I am not saying I am perfect or that i have never shook hands with a women, but there is no need to deny the obvious and clear things which the muslims have consensus over. Don't let your hatred of Salafis drive to deny things which there is ijmac, for denial of ijmac leads to kufr.

Imam Shaafici also believed that touching a woman nullifies a man's wudhuu.A Muslim husband must make wudhuu if his wife touches him for instance.
:lol: :lol:

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Re: Sheikh Sharif Is Really Wadaad this days

Postby Enlightened~Sista » Mon Oct 04, 2010 11:30 am

Executive & surrender wrong.Ill goggle some Shafici sources.

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Re: Sheikh Sharif Is Really Wadaad this days

Postby Enlightened~Sista » Mon Oct 04, 2010 11:48 am

Taken from http://www.shafiifiqh.com/?p=23 you can go directly to the website if you wish.



يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ إِذَا قُمْتُمْ إِلَى الصَّلاةِ فاغْسِلُواْ وُجُوهَكُمْ وَأَيْدِيَكُمْ إِلَى الْمَرَافِقِ وَامْسَحُواْ بِرُؤُوسِكُمْ وَأَرْجُلَكُمْ إِلَى الْكَعْبَينِ وَإِن كُنتُمْ جُنُباً فَاطَّهَّرُواْ وَإِن كُنتُم مَّرْضَى أَوْ عَلَى سَفَرٍ أَوْ جَاء أَحَدٌ مَّنكُم مِّنَ الْغَائِطِ أَوْ لاَمَسْتُمُ النِّسَاء فَلَمْ تَجِدُواْ مَاء فَتَيَمَّمُواْ صَعِيداً طَيِّباً فَامْسَحُواْ بِوُجُوهِكُمْ وَأَيْدِيكُم مِّنْهُ مَا يُرِيدُ اللّهُ لِيَجْعَلَ عَلَيْكُم مِّنْ حَرَجٍ وَلَـكِن يُرِيدُ لِيُطَهَّرَكُمْ وَلِيُتِمَّ نِعْمَتَهُ عَلَيْكُمْ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَشْكُرُونَ


“O ye who believe! when ye prepare for prayer, wash your faces, and your hands (and arms) to the elbows; Rub your heads (with water); and (wash) your feet to the ankles. If ye are in a state of ceremonial impurity, bathe your whole body. But if ye are ill, or on a journey, or one of you cometh from offices of nature, or ye have been in contact with women, and ye find no water, then take for yourselves clean sand or earth, and rub therewith your faces and hands, Allah (SWT) doth not wish to place you in a difficulty, but to make you clean, and to complete his favour to you, that ye may be grateful.” [5:6-7 Yusuf Ali translation]

The key words in this verse used by the Shafi’i school are:
أَوْ لاَمَسْتُمُ النِّسَاء

“…or ye have been in contact with women…”

The Shafi’is maintain that the word “lamastum”, translated here as ‘contact’ is touching by the hand. Imām Ash-Shāfi’ī stated in Al-Umm, “Lams (touching/contact) is done by the hand.” Their opponents disagree and argue that it is reference to coitus.


Imām Ash-Shāfi’ī reports the following narration: Mālik reported from Ibn Shihāb from Sālim ibn Abdullah ibn Umar from his father (Abdullah ibn Umar) that he said,

“The man kissing his wife or touching her (note: the word is jass. ‘Aisha Bewley translates it as “fondles”. Indeed that is a probable meaning, but the Qāmūs also says “touch” is synonymous wallahu ‘alim) with his hand is from “the one who touches (lams), and so whoever kisses or touches his woman with his hand then upon him is wudhu’.”4

Imām Al-Bayhaqī reports in his Sunan Al-Kubrā the report from Abdullah Ibn Mas’ūd (radiya Allahu ‘anhu) that he said,

القبلة من اللمس وفيها الوضوء، واللمس ما دون الجماع

“Kissing is from touching (lams), and regarding it is wudhu’. And Lams (touching) is whatever is less than sexual intercourse.”6

Imām Al-Bayhaqī used as proof the hadīth of the Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) (sallallahu ‘alayhi wa ‘alā Ālihi wa sallam) that is found in Sahīh Muslim,

اليد زناها اللمس

“The hands zinā (fornication) is touching.”

They also use this hadeeth as proof.

From Abdullah ibn Umar that ‘Umar (radiya Allahu ‘anhuma) said, “Verily, kissing is from touching, so make wudhu’ from it.”10


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