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Re: Intellectual dishonesty of the Somali Prime Minister Far

Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 7:20 am
by Hyperactive
i wish if somalis work with him. he is best one somali had for over 20 years.

Re: Intellectual dishonesty of the Somali Prime Minister Far

Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 7:24 am
by malakumod
Somalia: Intellectual dishonesty of the Somali prime minister
23 Jan 23, 2011 - 4:02:55 AM

By: Liban Ahmad

The BBC Somali Service interview with the Somali Prime Minister, Mohamed Abdi Mohamed (Raiisul Wasaaraha oo ka hadlay go'aankii Puntland) was a poor prime ministerial response to Puntland’s decision to stop working in partnership with the Transitional Federal Government of Somalia although the BBC let him off the hook by not asking his reaction to Puntland’s stance against renewing the TFG mandate beyond August 2011.

The prime minister cited the reconciliation efforts that members of his cabinet undertook in Mudug region last year where members of two neighboring sub-clans clashed. “No one has ever conducted such reconciliation before”, he told the BBC Somali Service. In 1993 former TFG president Abdullahi Yusuf Ahmed (then head of emergencies in Mudug and Nugaal and Bari regions) and the late warlord General Mohamed Farah Aideed signed an agreement to which Puntland and Galmudug administrations are still committed.

Mr Mohamed said he had not listened to the news about Puntland communiqué against extending the TFG mandate “but if it is true , it is unfortunate. It empowers Ahmed Godane [ Emir of Harakat al-Shabaab al-Mujahideen] and foreign jihadists.” Mr Mohamed likened Puntland to Al Shabaab supporters but this is hardly surprising. “ Puntland people are patriots who had a role in the Somali Youth League, ( the independence movement) and made their land peaceful” he said but in his U.S. Strategic Interest in Somalia: From Cold War Era to War on Terror, (2009) “ a thesis submitted to the Faculty of the Graduate School of the State University at Buffalo in partial fulfillment of the requirements for the degree Master of Arts Department of American Studies”, he put forward the following baseless argument:

“In the South, the Italian colony found similar willingness in two loyal tribes: the Majeerteen of the Darood clan and the Mudulod, sub-clan of the Hawiye. These two southern tribes helped the Italians without reservation. In return, Italian and British colonies enabled these clans to claim some superiority over the other clans in terms of wealth, scholarship for their children in London and Rome, and future government influence in the (sic) post-colonial era.”

Asked abut Somaliland’s search for secession, he said it was not appropriate to refer to “past colonial hegemony” to justify secession. Mr Mohamed has praised ‘Somaliland’ people for their achievements. However, his portrayal of one of the Somali clans in ex-British Somaliland in his thesis makes him the wrong person to preach Somalis against secession. Another quote from the prime minister’s 2009 thesis with relevance to ‘Somaliland’ is this:

“Most importantly, when European imperialist decided to give up their colonies in Somalia, they rewarded top leadership positions to the tribes and individuals closest to them. For instance, in the Northern colony of British Somaliland, the Isaaq tribe was awarded virtually all of the best jobs for its collaboration with the imperialists.”

It is not only Somali warlords who divide Somali clans ; many Somali ‘intellectuals’ like prime minister Mohamed, have written either lies about Somalia or justified victimising Somali clans. The Holy Koran1 cautions the learned against intellectual dishonesty: “ Do you enjoin right conduct on the people, and forget (to practice it) yourselves, and yet you study the Scripture? Will you not understand? 02:44 (Surat al Baqarah; verse 44).

Somalia’s Prime Minister, Mohamed A. Mohamed, had better pluck the courage to address his inconsistencies and intellectual dishonesty before discussing the merits of unity and governance for divided Somalis.

By: Liban Ahmad
Libahm@gmail.com
Liban Ahmad is the editor of Somalia Research Report
a fruad like Libaan Axmed talking about Intellectual dishonesty, dont make me laugh. the guy is a fool

Re: Intellectual dishonesty of the Somali Prime Minister Far

Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 11:41 am
by Murax
:lol: :lol: @ Voltage,



Anyways the Guy was a equal oppritunist in terms of criticism. In that same book He also was very critical of the last regime. To be honest, this Guy I think is the only one in a long time in the top TFG leadership to not have a tribal agenda.

Re: Intellectual dishonesty of the Somali Prime Minister Far

Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 12:24 pm
by BlackVelvet

I want to see the original Thesis statement or article if he really did say that. That Alone will do some major damage to him. So far he has been good.
It didn't do any damage. Some particular groups like Somalian_Boqor's tried to discredit him using this before he was given prime minister vote of confidence but it didn't go very far because Somalis know what he wrote is the complete truth. I myself have presented more than one colonial and immediate post-colonial literature that expressly agreed with what he said.

Do you know that MJ and Abgaal were the only nomadic Somalis to allow their children to go to missionary schools? We can't even talk about reer Hargeisa, because their children practically live there.
:lol: Alla been badanidaa

Re: Intellectual dishonesty of the Somali Prime Minister Far

Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 1:08 pm
by kambuli
Leila,

Huuno ama abaayo wait and wait for the secession to succeed then we talk..Before that, midnimada Somaaliyeed waa muqdas :som: :up:
...

Re: Intellectual dishonesty of the Somali Prime Minister Far

Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 2:23 pm
by ciyaal_warta

I want to see the original Thesis statement or article if he really did say that. That Alone will do some major damage to him. So far he has been good.
It didn't do any damage. Some particular groups like Somalian_Boqor's tried to discredit him using this before he was given prime minister vote of confidence but it didn't go very far because Somalis know what he wrote is the complete truth. I myself have presented more than one colonial and immediate post-colonial literature that expressly agreed with what he said.

Do you know that MJ and Abgaal were the only nomadic Somalis to allow their children to go to missionary schools? We can't even talk about reer Hargeisa, because their children practically live there.
ouch u touched a nerve waryaa... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Intellectual dishonesty of the Somali Prime Minister Far

Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 3:19 pm
by grandpakhalif

I want to see the original Thesis statement or article if he really did say that. That Alone will do some major damage to him. So far he has been good.
It didn't do any damage. Some particular groups like Somalian_Boqor's tried to discredit him using this before he was given prime minister vote of confidence but it didn't go very far because Somalis know what he wrote is the complete truth. I myself have presented more than one colonial and immediate post-colonial literature that expressly agreed with what he said.

Do you know that MJ and Abgaal were the only nomadic Somalis to allow their children to go to missionary schools? We can't even talk about reer Hargeisa, because their children practically live there.
:lol: :lol:

Re: Intellectual dishonesty of the Somali Prime Minister Far

Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 3:28 pm
by kambuli
One question for the MJ crew and Mareexaan crew:

MJ Crew, Why r u against Farmaajo when you were not against Cumar Cabdirashiid?
Marexan Crew, Why r u for Farmaajo when you were not for Cumar Cabdulrashid?

Re: Intellectual dishonesty of the Somali Prime Minister Far

Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 3:31 pm
by abdalla11

“In the South, the Italian colony found similar willingness in two loyal tribes: the Majeerteen of the Darood clan and the Mudulod, sub-clan of the Hawiye. These two southern tribes helped the Italians without reservation. In return, Italian and British colonies enabled these clans to claim some superiority over the other clans in terms of wealth, scholarship for their children in London and Rome, and future government influence in the (sic) post-colonial era.”
I want to see the original Thesis statement or article if he really did say that. That Alone will do some major damage to him. So far he has been good.
Yeah he did. It's really childish of 49 year old graduate to suggest that certain people became successfull because of others.

Murax,

Ofcourse he was critical of the dictator. Do really think that a 49 year old student can convince educated professors that a man who killed thousand was somehow good?

Ciyaal,

shall i post a document which states that reer beledweyne were fighting for the Italians against the Majerteen Hersi Boqor?

Re: Intellectual dishonesty of the Somali Prime Minister Far

Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 4:41 pm
by abdalla11
One question for the MJ crew and Mareexaan crew:

MJ Crew, Why r u against Farmaajo when you were not against Cumar Cabdirashiid?
Marexan Crew, Why r u for Farmaajo when you were not for Cumar Cabdulrashid?
Kambuli is it appropiate that a PM utters these kind of words?
“In the South, the Italian colony found similar willingness in two loyal tribes: the Majeerteen of the Darood clan and the Mudulod, sub-clan of the Hawiye. These two southern tribes helped the Italians without reservation. In return, Italian and British colonies enabled these clans to claim some superiority over the other clans in terms of wealth, scholarship for their children in London and Rome, and future government influence in the (sic) post-colonial era.”

Re: Intellectual dishonesty of the Somali Prime Minister Far

Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 4:45 pm
by Somalian_Boqor
One question for the MJ crew and Mareexaan crew:

MJ Crew, Why r u against Farmaajo when you were not against Cumar Cabdirashiid?
Marexan Crew, Why r u for Farmaajo when you were not for Cumar Cabdulrashid?
Kambuli is it appropiate that a PM utters these kind of words?
“In the South, the Italian colony found similar willingness in two loyal tribes: the Majeerteen of the Darood clan and the Mudulod, sub-clan of the Hawiye. These two southern tribes helped the Italians without reservation. In return, Italian and British colonies enabled these clans to claim some superiority over the other clans in terms of wealth, scholarship for their children in London and Rome, and future government influence in the (sic) post-colonial era.”
Even Farmajo know's Kismayo belongs to Beesha. But Beesha as a whole are not Southern rather Northeastern. :?

ps: Farmaajo has some serious cuqdad walle. Why is he trying to credit the superiority of beesha with the Italians when we were Boqor's before they even came? :|

Re: Intellectual dishonesty of the Somali Prime Minister Far

Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 5:06 pm
by kambuli
Abdalle iyo Somalian Boqor,

Huuno in la is cafiyo oo aan waxba la isu qabin ayaa quman. Waxaas in lasoo qufo maaha..Haddii uun aynu taariikh hore wax dhacay dabada heysano heshiis ma heleyno..So please. ha isu fiirsanina..We all need to move on wallaahay.. :up: :up: :kiss: :rose: :kiss: :rose: :som: :som: :som:

Re: Intellectual dishonesty of the Somali Prime Minister Far

Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 5:19 pm
by abdalla11
Abdalle iyo Somalian Boqor,

Huuno in la is cafiyo oo aan waxba la isu qabin ayaa quman. Waxaas in lasoo qufo maaha..Haddii uun aynu taariikh hore wax dhacay dabada heysano heshiis ma heleyno..So please. ha isu fiirsanina..We all need to move on wallaahay.. :up: :up: :kiss: :rose: :kiss: :rose: :som: :som: :som:
You make it seem like iney run tahay wuxu Jalaato yiri? wax aan dhicin sidee baa losoo qfi kara?

Re: Intellectual dishonesty of the Somali Prime Minister Far

Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 5:24 pm
by Coeus
LOOL Bintilanders hating on farmaajo cuz he said "calm down" to baby futoole :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Intellectual dishonesty of the Somali Prime Minister Far

Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 5:54 pm
by The_Emperior5
faarmaajo hates majeerteen iyo abgaal looool tallow waayo :lol: :lol: